Was Andersonville worse than a concentration camp?
With regards to living conditions.
Was Andersonville worse than a concentration camp?
Dominic Ramirez
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Alexander Fisher
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Jack Cook
Both had guards that acted basically unrestricted,
Both had severe shortages of food for the occupants, albeit for different reasons.
Both had severe levels of disease.
Both had high levels of fatality.
I know that Andersonville didn't have any actual killing institutions, nor medical experiments, but as for the living conditions of the Yankees, wouldn't it have been similar to that of a concentration camp in WW2?
Just with less guard mistreatment.
James Gutierrez
Andersonville's main problem was it was over it's intended capacity for prisoners many times over once the Union ended prisoner swaps with the Confederacy. Henry Wirz did try to manage the situation but there's only so much you can do when you barely are able to even supply your guards let alone prisoners. Hell he even sent a few prisoners to Lincoln hoping to convince Lincoln to bring back prisoner swaps but he wouldn't. He then offered to let the Union have the prisoners as long as they'd supply the ships to get them but Sherman's march to the sea squashed that too. Andersonville was a horrifying place and a lot of people died and the people who did live had physical and mental scars from it but it definitely wasn't an intentional death camp. The actual conditions the yankee and southern unionist prisoners did face was arguably similar though for wildly different reasons.
Justin Smith
You did not mention labour, selections, capos, apelle, etc. Just read about nazi concentration camps. "If this is a man" is a good start.
Ethan Hill
The fact that you think that guards in nazi camps whre acting unrestricted shows that you know nothing about the subject whatsoever.
Hunter Hughes
It's important not to trivialize the Holocaust by equating the death camps in Poland and Germany with concentration camps. There's really just no comparison.
Adam Lewis
Comparable to Bergen-Belsen with the overcrowding, lack of shelter, and rampant Typhus epidemic (minus pregnant Anne Frank and the female rapist guards though).
The horrors of the camps certainly left an imprint on the American psyche almost as explosive as slavery itself.
Colton Perez
The average Southerner probably has worse living conditions than a concentration camp.
Eli Rivera
Uhhh... Not really, unless you consider occasionally shitty internet and rain to be worse than Typhus and starvation.
t. middle class Virginian
Carter Butler
Yes, concentration camps were just Europeans getting rid of literal vermin, while Anddersonville was a Americans torturing and killing their brothers.
Connor Adams
Andersonville never happened, but it should have
Adam Morgan
This.
Nathaniel Flores
More civil war memes please
Kayden Rodriguez
and for the record isn't the tower of London and Sear's tower the same as well
I mean they're both towers after all
Asher Myers
t.Northerner
Kayden Campbell
Except they were literally part of the same network of camps and even had the same personnel
Chase Ross
>I know that Andersonville didn't have any actual killing institutions, nor medical experiments
Neither did WW2 concentration camps.
>Muh ebil masturbation machines
Xavier Cook
Go back to /pol/ retard
Christian Flores
>pre Cold War American history
YAWN
Colton Sanchez
>contradicting widely accepted statements
>no source
Get out of Veeky Forums
Brandon Turner
Imagine how filled with hate you have to be to make an image like this...
Ryder Gomez
>also implying Unionists aren't vermin
Nathan Myers
Seems to be about equal.
Austin Diaz
>people who actually love their country and want to protect it from traitors are vermin
>traitors who want to destroy their country are not
Ethan Robinson
This is what happens when you only read one handpicked, deliberately contextless source, ever.
Logan Walker
kek
John Martinez
Sears Tower is shit, I'll take the Tower of London any day.
t. work there
Ryan Cruz
>If this is a man
I've been thinking of reading that, is it worth checking out?
Andrew Sanders
You're not wrong, desu
Blake Rodriguez
Someone give me the straight dope on the masturbation machines meme. Is it just the product of mistranslation?
Henry Gutierrez
I read it a while ago, pretty good imo
Isaiah Lewis
Muh honor is all over Southern culture at the time. Shouldn't you let your enemy go free if you are unable to properly feed and clothe him? I remember in Jean Baptiste Marbot's memoirs during the Siege of Genoa the French, who held the city, could not properly care for Austrian prisoners they took. So they offered to let them go free so long as the Austrian general agreed to take them home. This never happened for the enlisted prisoners, so eventually Massena just put the prisoners on a ships in Genoa's bay and let the Brits come in to run supplies to the prisoners daily.
Not sure why, but it made me think of that. Seems like the Confederates should have similarly reached out and requested help to feed the prisoners.
I'm guessing Southern propaganda or news outlets did not exactly report on Andersonville.
Julian Miller
Could you give me a rundown on the contents? Did you read the original or the translation?
Dominic Nelson
Too bad he ain't a corpse
Hunter James
This
Xavier Hall
>minus pregnant Anne Frank and the female rapist guards though
DON’T YOU DARE BRING OUR ANNIE INTO THIS
Joshua Kelly
Jaxon Brown
Kek
Kayden Wood
Wirz dindu nuffin
Justin Morales
It would be closer to a Stalag than a KZ
Carter Howard
Mistranslation most likely
Angel Watson
This
Thomas Bennett
Christopher Perez
Polocaust
Mason Nguyen
Kek
Eli Thomas
Bump
Jackson Bailey
Wirz did attempt to let them go free. See and to add to it the Confederacy also offered for southern unionists to renounce the Union and join the Confederacy in exchange for freedom to reduce the prisoner count but the majority refused to do it and the small percentage that did take them up on the offer just escaped to Union lines as soon as they could. The issues at Andersonville was mostly out of Wirz's control and his attempts at trying to remedy to situation failed.
Mason Bailey
I'd say the ones the Japs set up are pretty damn comparable.
Josiah Jones
Some similarities with disease and starvation, but without the slave labor part (actual chattel slaves were probably better off than POWs since they had actual financial value).
Joseph Fisher
Didn’t happen
Oliver Garcia
But it should’ve
Nathaniel Hernandez
JIDF plz
Benjamin Rodriguez
t. Red coat loyalist.
Eli Nguyen
the y*nkoids deserved it 100%
Ethan Wright
Y*nkoids are literal rats
Isaac Howard
Look at that sickly little y*nkoid
he needs to eat some more RED meat
Austin Price
>t's important
Elijah Ward
Unironically this
Nathaniel Morales
Break out the salt pork
Parker Price
Yummy
Jordan Adams
Probably closer to a Gulag desu
Luke Murphy
neat
Robert Taylor
All Yankees are walking corpses
Jordan Gomez
Yes
Carson Jones
This
Cooper Collins
Yankee vermin unironically deserved it, that’s the difference.
Owen Morales
I doubt worst Andersonville guards did 1/10th of what the average Auschwitz guard did
Bentley Howard
but we're all yankees now
Lincoln Harris
Here come the /leftypol/-tier memes
>left an imprint on the American psyche
that's laughable. Americans don't hear about this in school
Isaac Miller
this
Asher Sanders
Union camps were worse desu
Elmira was Bergen-Belsen-tier
Justin Ward
What are you talking about? 600,000 brave Confederate Men dies defending their family and nation
Charles Butler
implying that im a leftist cause I'm not a nazi you faggot
Lincoln Wright
It's an interesting piece of Andersonville history I don't seen mentioned much. Confederates saw the southern unionists as misguided brothers and hoped they would rather support secession over suffer in Andersonville but the majority gladly suffered instead of betraying their loyalty to the union. Most continued to refuse to join the Confederacy even at Andersonville's worst. Some of the southern unionist men that came from my area are buried at Andersonville due to this. As far as I know these offers by the Confederacy were only extended to southern unionists since the Confederates saw yanks as too untrustworthy to enlist.
Ethan Perry
He's under your (Con) detainment, feel free to provide it for him yourself.
Austin Myers
The confederates should have just paroled blacks POW like they did with the whites.
Evan Phillips
Dumb question, where did Andersonville and other Confederate prisons recruit guards from? Were they Confederate States Army or state militia units assigned to internal security? Were they wounded or otherwise unfit for frontline service soldiers who were sent home? Were they not considered military but law enforcement (as is the case with modern prisons) instead? I know the Nazi concentration camp system was so extensive that the SS created a special branch, the Totenkopfverbände, who were responsible for guard and administrative duties at concentration camps, but know nothing about Civil War prisons.
Is there any available for ORBAT (Order of Battle) for them?
Jordan Ross
Y*nKoids are closer to the nazis than any other nation in history eat shit
Adrian Bell
Well duh, I'm just wondering how the Confederate prison camp system was organized. It seems to me that the biggest problem for the CSA was not deliberate cruelty, but a lack of coherent organization and overlapping duties.
Ryder Davis
I know for Henry Wirz at least he was wounded in battle and was moved to work for prisoner camps since he lost use in his right arm and he was part of the actual CSA army, not a militia. As far as I know I believe most if not all of the Andersonville guards were from the actual army and not militias but people are free to correct me on this. Wirz in particular though had limited actual power though despite being the "head" of Andersonville and constantly had to contact his superiors for permission to do things. It's another reason why Andersonville got so bad since his superiors refused to send what little supplies the CSA had to aid the camp. The CSA was definitely not as organized as the SS with their camps though.
Hunter Ramirez
This