Why for hundreds of years did the British never deal with Ireland in good faith? Seriously what was their fucking problem?
The Troubles
Samuel Ortiz
Luke Martin
>Ireland
>a nation at fucking all
The idea of Irelands began during the English lordship, the idea of an 'England' occupying an 'Ireland' is in the history of the isles relatively recent. There's been some level of power held over the island of Ireland by England going on 900-1000 years at this point, so obviously attitudes and standards evolve during that time. Saying that the 'British' never dealt with the 'Irish' in good faith for that time is weird and would sound weird to the people you put it to.
Now if you want to talk about the 19th century, you can put it down to the protestant minorities not wanting their privileges to be taken away and constantly opposing any lifting of penal laws to the Catholics, and on the Catholic side sectarianism. Personally I think that if the Act of Union had included full rights for Catholics, then the entire island of Ireland would be under the crown right now, with Dublin having a devolved parliament like Holyrood.
That and militant socialism hijacking the Irish independent movement near the end definitely made achieving a settlement near impossible. And the troubles made it harder to deal with the Irish government in the 60-80's, but relations between the UK and Ireland are the best they've been for a long time, although Brexit might change that.
Thomas Davis
>ME BIG, YOU SMALL, ME SMASH
the story of europe
Jose James
>devolvemnt of Powers happening in a world where Ireland doesn’t throw a tantrum
Scotland had its parliament done away with, for Ireland to be fully integrated it must as well
Jaxson Collins
Just like how England had imperial rights to crown the king of Scotland, they had the right to decide how Ireland was ruled
Wales was integrated easily because shortly after its conquest the heir apparent was made prince of wales, robbing them of any legitimacy to form a separatist movement like in Scotland
Whilst wales did have great autonomy with the marcher lords, these were curved gradually over the Middle Ages, whilst in Ireland they were kind of left for 300 years before anything was done to them, because of this the nobles of Ireland integrated, no longer seeing themselves as English subjects. Whilst in Aquitaine and Wales they shared the culture of the king of England and had a terrible king not lost it, Aquitaine would have been an English exclave, like Calais or Germany’s East Prussia
Josiah Bell
Irish are subhumans
Simple as
Talk to any Irish and they will bang on about socialism and multiculturalism and how evil the British empire was
Ryder Campbell
Get tf out namefag, I'm so fucking irish that I'm literaly drunk atm and I can confirm that I and most people that I know are so against what you say its comical.
Leo Wood
I mean from living in belfast I can say that in my opinion the troubles and the factors that caused it are disappearing. People from the north are integrating together. Alot of Irish people in belfast see themselves and pretty different from the ones down south. Over time more and more people from unionist and republican families are becoming friends. I can say as a republican that I have unionist friends and I trust them with my life. People in our little shit hole need to be open to discussion rather than just winging bricks at each other. They need to learn that convincing someone of your point of view makes an ally rather than just trying to kill them :/
Logan Price
Name a continent of which this isn't the history of.
Jack Morgan
Huh, interesting. As a local, do you ever think the South will annex the North? Could it? In terms of unification