What was the extent of Hitler's ambitions?

Yes they believed those things but he never specifically advocated for Germany to "conquer" and arbitrarly exterminate the whole of non germanic Europe, the only interesting part was the east for him. View of what is Germanic differed even in his own mind depending on the situation.

That part of the east and up to the Urals was in his own words reserved for a rump state of "inferior" Poles, Russians, Jews, Tatars...

Just so you know, I'm not making any of this up

DURING THE LATE STAGES WAR
1. Germanization of Eastern Europe. Eastern European children who are Aryan will be kidnapped and sent to Germany to be raised as Germans. Eastern European women who are Aryan will be bred by German SS officers.
2. Genocide of Slavic peoples, with a small percentage spared to be used as laborers
3. Undesirable genocide (Jews/Gay/Elderly/Homosexuals/Gypsies)
4. Looting of art to be sent back to Germany

IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE WAR:
1. Germanic colonization in conquered territories of Eastern Europe
2. Begin breeding program with Norwegians to boost the Aryan population of the Reich
3. Begin construction on Hitler's long-term architecture projects (Fuhrcer-Museum, Volkshalle, Olympic Stadium)
4. Begin construction on Atlantic Sea Wall and Nordstern
5. Re-organize the conquered states into Reich provinces
6. Begin planning invasion of Great Britain if they still had not submitted to Nazi rule
7. Stop imports and food shipments to Africa and other future colonies

LONG-TERM:
1. Europe "Balkanized" into smaller states with each new state having a specific goal to contribute to the Reich. For example, Wales is important for mining.
2. Berlin renamed to "World Capital"
3. Hitler's Tomb in Linz was to become a pilgrimage location
4. The completion of Nord-Stern (North Star), a giant city in Norway that would be the center of the Germanic sea empire, Scandinavian art, and a breeding center
5. Fuhrer cities given special privileges (Berlin, Munich, London, Paris, Rome, Linz Nordstern)
6. Completion of Atlantic Wall (a wall spanning Europe's entire coast to prevent sea-invasion)
7. Bomber bases in the Canary Islands for future war with the USA
8. Colonization of Africa
9. Beging planning hypothetical war with the "Yellow races" (Asians)
10. Massive Olympic Stadium built at Berlin, where the Olympics will be held forever
11. Massive museum in Berlin filled with the world's most priceless art

This is the equivalent of me daydreaming at school. This has no credible sources not even the nazi philosophers had such outrageous plans. The subjugation of Western European states was NEVER an option nor plan. Neither was the subjugation of mediterranean Italy, finno ugric Hungary, Romania, Croatia, Spain, France, England...You're stating pseudofacts made to villify the villains even more.

the construction of nordstern amd germania is true and the breeding of "aryan" children is also true, genocide of the slavs is false and most of subsequent "facts" are false. The atlantic wall would be just perimeter defenses not trump style wall and the "Germanic sea empire" is just plain false...like anything else.

> genocide of the slavs is false
It is very true.
Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nation

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Government

In March 1941 Hans Frank informed his subordinates that Hitler had made the decision to "turn this region into a purely German area within 15–20 years". He explained: "Where 12 million Poles now live, is to be populated by 4 to 5 million Germans. The Generalgouvernement must become as German as the Rhineland."[4] By 1942 Hitler and Frank had agreed that the Kraków ("with its purely German capital") and Lublin districts would be the first areas for German colonists to re-populate.[11] Hitler stated: "When these two weak points have been strengthened, it should be possible to slowly drive back the Poles."[11] Subsequently, German policy envisaged reducing lower-class Poles to the status of serfs, while deporting or otherwise eliminating the middle and upper classes and eventually replacing them with German colonists of the "master race".

> Neither was the subjugation of mediterranean Italy, finno ugric Hungary, Romania, Croatia, Spain, France, England...You're stating pseudofacts made to villify the villains even more.

Both Croatia and Hungary were to become eventually part of the Reich. Croats were considered untermenschen although used to kill others.
There were plans for occupation of UK and mass murder of any potential resistance.

Wrong. Croatia was never to become part, neither was Serbia for that matter which was under german occ. Hungary obviously not. Do you understand that the concept of alliedom was highly valued by the nazis, so their allies would be rewarded but the enemies severly punished.
>implying all slavs are poles
The priority was resettle, only if this fails, then kill.

You need to differentiate between official policy of the nazis put forth by hitler and the fringe occult ones.

>The priority was resettle, only if this fails, then kill.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_AB-Aktion_in_Poland
The AB-Aktion (German: Außerordentliche Befriedungsaktion, English: Extraordinary Operation of Pacification), was a second stage of the Nazi German campaign of violence during World War II aimed to eliminate the intellectuals and the upper classes of Polish society across the territories slated for eventual annexation. Most of the killings were arranged in a form of mass disappearances from multiple cities and towns upon the German arrival.[1] In the spring and summer of 1940, more than 30,000 Poles were arrested by the Nazi authorities in German-occupied central Poland.[2] About 7,000 of them including community leaders, professors, teachers and priests (labeled as suspected of criminal activities) were subsequently massacred secretly at various locations including at the Palmiry forest complex near Palmiry.[3][4] The others were sent to German concentration camps.

>The priority was resettle, only if this fails, then kill.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenberg

Operation Tannenberg (German: Unternehmen Tannenberg) was a codename for one of the extermination actions by Nazi Germany that was directed at the Polish nationals during the opening stages of World War II in Europe, part of the Generalplan Ost for the German colonization of the East. The shootings were conducted with the use of a proscription list (Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen), compiled by the Gestapo in the span of two years before the 1939 attack.[1]

The top secret lists identified more than 61,000 members of the Polish elite: activists, intelligentsia, scholars, clergy, actors, former officers, and others, who were to be interned or shot. Members of the German minority living in Poland assisted in preparing the lists.[1] It is estimated that up to 20,000 Germans living in Poland belonged to organizations involved in various forms of subversion.[2]

Operation Tannenberg was closely followed by the Intelligenzaktion, a second phase of the Unternehmen Tannenberg directed by Heydrich's Sonderreferat from Berlin. It lasted until January 1940. In Pomerania alone, 36,000–42,000 Poles, including children, were killed before the end of 1939.[3]

>untermenschen
very vague term rarely used even by philosophers of the nazis. Himmler used it a lot tho, but not for allied Slavs.

wow killing 7000 smarty pants surely shows there were no resettlement programmes for the masses

they resettled poles in occuppied russia

do you understand the difference between elite and mass?

>smarty pants
>very vague term rarely used even by philosophers of the nazis

>inb4 Danzig massacre

this was a normal occurence in wars, to kill the ones who are smart enough to harm you and flame up the masses

>they resettled poles in occuppied russia
KEK, what ? that's a new one from revisionist idiots

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Germanic_Reich
All from here, bozo.

>Hungary, Croatia, and Serbie would never be absorbed by their militaristic large neighbor!!!!!111
It's called "Living Space" and was a key Nazi doctrine.

not an argument

danzig happened but was also a false flag

there was a planned state for poles farther east look it up

>would have never
so literally implying?

Bosnia and Herzegovina in the Second World War - page 50

Enver Redžić - 2005

With regard to German-Croatian relations in the post-war period. Hitler said that a closer connection should be established between the Reich and Croatia, with some type of autonomous position for Croatia.

>there was a planned state for poles farther east look it up
No there wasn't you fucking moronic mutt, where do mutts come up with these idiocies?

im not a mutt, stop projecting, and yes there was, for all "inferiors"
so no evidence for annexation still? NDH was small so integration via protectorate would "benefit" it greatly than being truly "independent".

More like "extremely educated guess". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2&2 together. Especially when they already were forcing Hungary to join the Axis

>im not a mutt, stop projecting, and yes there was, for all "inferiors"
No there was no state plannet for Poles, also nice of you to show any sources AND changing goalposts.

Furthermore Nazis were engaging in genocide against Poles starting from day one of the war, by mass murdering civilians and elites both with the ultimate aim of destroying Polish nation as a whole.

>changing goal posts
how? the book ive read this in is a bio of himmler and it clearly stated a resettlment programme of polish civilians to occuppied russia outside of the general government was started but postponed due to the war

>mass murderimg civilians
ok, pole (saviour of europe my ass) there were murders and there were killings with no reason but to say the nazis were machinegunning poor babies when they went for a pint off duty is pure biased historical fallacy. There were a lot of partisans and civilians who hid weapons AND lots of innocents, but this was always the case in history, some murfers can be justified some cannot. It's like with the Danzig killings, a lot were true, some were falseflagged.

Again changing the goalposts? There was no state proposed for Poles, they were to be exterminated.
I note that you haven't posted a single evidence for your retarded theory.
>but to say the nazis were machinegunning poor babies when they went for a pint off duty is pure biased historical fallacy.
Nazis literally were machine gunning children and pregnant women.

this is literally the ambition of any apex state in history though, to conquer all the land they can feasibly get

>I note that you haven't posted a single evidence for your retarded theory.
Note ur ass, Peter Longerich: Heinrich Himmler

>nazis machinegunned babies and pregnant children
pure polish revisionism

*pregnant women

>pure polish revisionism
warsawuprising.com/witness/atrocities4.htm

I came last and kept in the background, continuing to let the others pass, in the hope that they would not kill a pregnant woman, but I was driven in with the last lot. In the yard I saw heaps of corpses 3 feet high, in several places. The whole right and left side of the big yard (the first yard) was strewn with bodies. (A sketch of the yard was made by the deponent.) We were led through the second. There were about 20 people in our group, mostly children of 10 to 12. There were children without parents, and also a paralysed old woman whose son-in-law had been carrying her all the time on his back. At her side was her daughter with two children of 4 and 7. They were all killed. The old woman was literally killed on her son-in-law's back, and he along with her. We were called out in groups of four and led to the end of the second yard to a pile of bodies. When the four reached this point, the Germans shot them through the backs of their heads with revolvers. The victims fell on the heap, and others came. Seeing what was to be their fate, some attempted to escape; they cried, begged, and prayed for mercy. I was in the last group of four. I begged the Vlassov's men around me to save me and the children, and they asked if I had anything with which to buy my life. I had a large amount of gold with me and gave it them. They took it all and wanted to lead me away, but the German supervising the execution would not allow them to do so, and when I begged him to let me go he pushed me off, shouting "Quicker!"

I fell when he pushed me. He also hit and pushed my elder boy, shouting "hurry up, you Polish bandit". Thus I came to the place of execution, in the last group of four, with my three children. I held my two younger children by one hand, and my elder boy by the other. The children were crying and praying. The elder boy, seeing the mass of bodies, cried out: "they are going to kill us" and called for his father. The first shot hit him, the second me; the next two killed the two younger children. I fell on my right side. The shot was not fatal. The bullet penetrated the back of my head from the right side and went out through my cheek. I spat out several teeth; I felt the left side of my body growing numb, but I was still conscious and saw everything that was going on around me

witnessed other executions, lying there among the dead. More groups of men were led in. I heard cries, supplications, moaning, and shots. The bodies of these men fell on me. I was covered by four bodies. Then I again saw a group of women and children; thus it went on with group after group until late in the evening. It was already quite, quite dark when the executions stopped. In the intervals between the shootings the murderers walked on the corpses, kicked them, and turned them over, finishing off those who still gave any sign of life, and stealing valuables. (They took a watch from my wrist, but I did not give any sign of life). They did not touch the bodies with their bare hands, but put rags round them. During these dreadful doings they sang and drank vodka. Near me, there lay a big, tall man of middle age in a brown leather coat. He was alive, I heard his death-rattle; they fired 5 shots at him before they killed him. During this shooting some shots wounded my feet. I lay quite numb for a long time in a pool of blood, the dead weighing on me. I was, however, conscious all the time and fully realized what was happening to me. Towards evening I succeeded in pushing away the corpses which lay over me. It is impossible to imagine how much blood there was all round.

>Note ur ass, Peter Longerich: Heinrich Himmler

And nothing about any Polish state being formed in the East(which would still involve ethnic cleansing and genocide)

Heinrich Himmler: A Life
By Peter Longerich
page 451 has literally how Himmler planned to eradicate Poles and other Slavs, mutt

was taken from Dlugosz Street (as a civilian) at 6 a.m. on August 6, 1944, and led to Sokolowska Street to the so-called Arbeitskommando head-quarters. Next day I volunteered for work with 50 other thinking that in this way I should be better off. We were sent to a house opposite St. Adalbert’s Church in Wolska Street, where about six hundred bodies of men, women and children were lying in heaps. Near by were a few dozen more, which we added to the heap. Then we went to No. 60, Wolska Street, where, on both sides of the courtyard lay the bodies of more than 100 men, as far was we could judge, victims of a mass execution. In the garden of this same house we found in a thicket the bodies of more than a dozen women, children, and babies, shot through the back of the bead

I never said exclusively Polish state, you retard

On one of the following days they took us to work in Sowinski Park, where again the bodies were mostly those of women and children; I found even pregnant women. The position of these bodies lying in a row seemed to be proof of a mass execution. We then burnt more than a thousand on two pyres. They made us search the bodies and give fall valuables to the SD-men. As to paper money, we were ordered to burn it, together with all other evidence of the crime. We worked there one whole day. Next day they took us to No. 24, Wolska Street (the “Wenecja" playground), where we brought bodies from the sector of Wolska Street between Mlynarska and Karolkowa and burnt over two hundred. On the same day we burnt about 200 corpses at No. 4, Wolska Street. In a house at the corner of Wronia and Chlodna streets we burnt about f ifty bodies which were there lying half-burnt. I then saw a non-commissioned SD-officer murder an old woman off about 80 who was passing along Chlodna Street, and whose body we added to the burning pyre.

>I never said exclusively Polish state, you retard
>there was a planned state for poles farther east look it up

Stop, this is almost like the auschwitz soap story. One (false) testimony does not guarantee it happened.

>state for poles = polish state

>...a German officer arrived, he did not give the order to finish those who were still alive, but allowed us to join the people who were being driven along the street.

from the site you posted

Miraculously I was spared by the satanic nazis.

literally dozens of stories

the book doesn't state anything like that so you were talking out of your ass

>stories
dozens of stories how jesus walked on water, that doesnt make them true, believing in them is another thing

It does, either look it up in the physical copy or stfu, I dont have the book with me but there was one chapter dealing with resettlements of both germans and poles, czechs

>stories
>dozens of stories how jesus walked on water, that doesnt make them true, believing in them is another thing
Well walking on water violates physics.
Germans mass murdering pregnant women is something we know happened, based on witness statements and historic research.
Why would anyone sane doubt Germans mass murderer Poles, including children and women?

I am reading the book now, and it literally has how Poles were to be eradicated

>I am reading
come back when u've read it

>we know happened
you can only speculate based on testimonies, there are no official documents on killing pregnant women and chidlren, miss me with that revisionist bullshit

Well there are bodies and official documents documenting findings.
The fact that Nazis mass mudered civilians, including pregnant women isn't disputed by mainstream historians.
Why should it be?

Because they didn't. At least when mass murder is concerned. Individual cases happened, but there are no official documents or statements about intentional elimination of children or pregnant women, and no it was an order from hitler 'kill all poles' the executions were sometimes baseless but sometimes they weren't, I cannot justify killing neither Polish, neither German (which happened also a lot)
civilians, but if they harbored weapons it could be understood why the nazis just executed those who hid the weapons, and engaged in partisan activity, and with them all the innocents in the area. Innocents were also targeted with baseless violence but never did they massaccre children or pregnant women, let alone with a machine gun. They were bad, but they weren't the demons they are presented as.

It wasn't an order*

>Because they didn't
Of course they did.Who claims they didn't ?
>here are no official documents or statements about intentional elimination of children or pregnant women
>what is Heu Aktion

>but never did they massaccre children or pregnant women
They are countless documented cases where they did.
Which historian claims they didn't?

How accurate is pic related?

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Or this?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany
At more than 200,000 victims, occupied Poland had the largest proportion of children taken.[2][5] An estimated 400,000 children were abducted throughout Europe.[1]

The aim of the project was to acquire and "Germanize" children with purportedly Aryan-Nordic traits, who were considered by Nazi officials to be descendants of German settlers that had emigrated to Poland. Those labeled "racially valuable" were forcibly Germanized in centers and then sent to German families and SS Home Schools.[6] In the case of older children used as forced labor in Germany those determined to be racially un-"German" were sent to extermination camps and concentration camps, where they were either to be murdered or forced to serve as living test subjects in German medical experiments and thus often tortured or killed in the process.[7]

Those children who did not pass harsh Nazi exams and criteria and who were therefore selected during the operation, were sent as test subjects for experiments in special centers.[32] Children sent there ranged from eight months to 18 years. Two such centres were located in German-occupied Poland. One of them, Medizinische Kinderheilanstalt, was in Lubliniec in Upper Silesia – in this centre children were also subject to forced "euthanasia";[32] while the second was located in Cieszyn. Children were given psychoactive drugs, chemicals and other substances for medical tests, although it was generally known that the true purpose of those procedures was their mass extermination.[32]

strawing me this hard,
the 'abductions happened of course and there are ss documents to confirm that, but the experimentations didn't happen and the wiki article doesnt state neither the numbers of experimented, neither the euthanized

and btw the ''exams'' weren't harsh and were acutally very lenient

>it was generally known
general ''knowledge'' is a source now

>heu aktion
so 30.000 child laborers is planned extermination now

again, absolutely zero proof of INTENTIONAL killings of ALL children

At Auschwitz concentration camp 200 to 300 Polish children from the Zamość area were murdered by the Nazis by phenol injections. The child was placed on a stool, occasionally blindfolded with a piece of a towel. The person performing the execution then placed one of his hands on the back of the child's neck and another behind the shoulder blade. As the child's chest was thrust out a long needle was used to inject a toxic dose of phenol into the chest. The children usually died in minutes. A witness described the process as deadly efficient: "As a rule not even a moan would be heard. And they did not wait until the doomed person really died. During his agony, he was taken from both sides under the armpits and thrown into a pile of corpses in another room… And the next victim took his place on the stool."[30]

To trick the soon-to-be murdered children into obedience Germans promised them that they would work at a brickyard. However another group of children, young boys by the age of 8 to 12, managed to warn their fellow child inmates by calling for help when they were being killed by the Nazis: "Mamo! Mamo!" ('Mum! Mum!'), the dying screams of the youngsters, were heard by several inmates and made an indelible haunting impression on them.'"[3]

>but the experimentations didn't happen
Oh really. Who says this?

>made an indelible haunting impression
literally tv drama tier testimonies, again, this didn't happen and the nazis injected various, mostly non-lethal drugs to test on the children, but they did not inject phenol to anyone except in the T4 programme, because it was more ''humane'' than shooting them, if children indeed were killed it was by a shot to the head, but this was also an almost never

lethal experimentations did not happen there are no official documents of them, non-lethal did happen there are ss documents of them, but it was very rare and only in auschwitz

>Note ur ass, Peter Longerich: Heinrich Himmler

Heinrich Himmler - Page 464

Peter Longerich - 2012
Himmler devoted seventeen pages of his speech to the controversial order, before moving on to his second topic. The point was to ensure that 'in the provinces which now belong to Germany [...] the problem of the existence of a Polish minority is dealt with and eliminated during our time'. And, in order to clarify matters, he emphasized: 'I don't want to be misunderstood: the Polish nationality and the Polish people must both be dissolved.' .

>lethal experimentations did not happen
Which historian denies they happened?

its fucking arguing with the same people every week, the official historians dont deny it, because in most countries if they did, they would end up in prison

literally no mention of extermination in what youve posted

So you are dening holocaust happened?

>but he never specifically advocated for Germany to "conquer" and arbitrarly exterminate the whole of non germanic Europe

What about the eastern front, the holocaust and that whole living space thing the Nazis had going on during the war?

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so you are denying that it could have happened differently than proscribed?

>so you are denying that it could have happened differently than proscribed?
Which historian claims so?

>eastern front
hitlel's mistake, he was dumbly expecting peace with britain
>holocaust
no such thing, arbitrary jew killings and ss executions because of muh aryans, not a single order on gassings, the camps were labor camps, my great grandma survived one here in german occuppied slovenia
>lebensraum
changed meaning over time, a lot, but generally speaking up to Byelorussia probably, yeah. Balkans and Western Europe, absolutely never stated nor planned.

> 'I don't want to be misunderstood: the Polish nationality and the Polish people must both be dissolved.' .

Thanks for the info user.

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For example David Irving was accepted as good and his estimates on Dresden were accpted officialy. But when he started questioning everything (both legit and non-legit questioning) everything he said was suddenly false and anti-semitic. So consequently you can see, that ANY form of number or ''death camp'' revision is seen as anti-semitic and is even a highly punishable offence in some countries

"Resettle east" was a clever euphemism for "eliminate" user...

>For example David Irving was accepted as good
Irving was a liar who made allegations that John Paul II was involved in mass murder of Germans in Bydgoszcz 1939.

x = y, cuz it a euphemism in my mind bro

missing the point this hard

This reads like a guide for a paradox interactive game.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA,
nice