Was there ever a totalitarian regime that didn't have some massacre on its agenda?

totalitarianism means controlling what people do in your country up to their very personal lives. Authoritarianism can be peaceful, but totalitarianism requires murdering dissenters or at least some sort of peaceful gulag

>they get shit done

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you posted it

kek

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Fascist Italy

I mean that's basically the single strongest argument when it comes to concentrating power to a single person.

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They get shit done with a very narrow point of view, and with a short timeframe in mind. It will be a shithole in 10 years after they get deposed.

Some do.

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that's true, but democracies ironically win wars for some reason

Weren't there massacres in Africa and Greece at the hands of the italians?

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the romans managed for a while, it can work as long as you have a strong aristocracy that can stab or poison the dictators that turn out too retarded

for some reason murdering emperors and dictators went out of fashion at some point, but it was a good system

Consolidation of power is logistically efficient because everyone just follows orders
But having a bunch of dissenting voices telling you the grand master plan is going to get us killed is typically worth the delays

War =/= massacre

he did kill libyans before the war so he could italianize it, but not that much of them

Democracy is an extremely stable system of governance, probably has a lot to do with it, also democracies will usually only engage in defensive wars or easy offensive wars because surprise surprise people don't tend to like dying.

Libya worked pretty well until we bombed it back to the middle ages, did Gaddafi murder a lot or only wear pretty dresses?

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yes but in his words, communists were doing socialism wrong, fascism is the TRUE socialiam.

>democracies will usually only engage in defensive wars
Um hi

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exporting democracy is trade, not war

if that's trade, I dunno what these countries got in return

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Democracies are usually more economically focused. Which gives them an edge in warfare. You are ignoring though, how many democratic nations have fallen throughout, say, WW2 or even later on like the Korean War Stalemate or Vietnam etc.

Not as clear cut, but democracy normally has the economic edge, and rightfully so because wealth can keep a divided people together.

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>Was there ever a totalitarian regime that didn't have some massacre on its agenda?
That based guy from singapure

Franco's

Salazar and Franco?

>tfw he was right all along
Was Benito really the bad guy?

Would you count Salazar's Estado Novo? Not really totalitarian, but did not fuck around.

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Post-1948 Tito maybe.

My grandparents fled Portugal after the fall of Estado Novo and the rise of Socialism. So I asked my grandma about Salazar, and she said she hated him because if you were Jewish or Protestant you might be arrested or something (my family is Catholic) and that she wanted to kill him. I was petty shocked he had such a negative view. I was going to report her for thought crimes but I remembered the regime was over.

I'm hoping she was just an avid monarchist.

Yes

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There's no way all these quotes are actually Benito, this has to be made up. Way too much insight and good opinions. Wtf I love Benito now

>if you were Jewish or Protestant you might be arrested or something
She is a commie and liar that deserved the beatings, Salazar was loved by the rabbi in Lisbon because of his tolerance towards jews and is help (with a few ambassators) in helping jews flee to the USA, Portugal didn´t even have that luteranist heresy outside anglo tourists, and i don´t think there is any record of the portuguese state rounding up tourists for beatings like your lying commie grandparents said

Depends what you mean with "massacres". Most socialist regimes were authoritarian or possibly even "totalitarian", yet usually didn't commit literal massacres. I think the only ones among them who committed genocides were Pol Pot (who actually was a capitalist btw) and some of the African ones like Siad Barré. There's also the "Holodomor" thing under Stalin's regime but that's extremely dubious and originates from nazi propaganda; I don't think there was ever the actual intention of genociding Ukrainians.

He quoted Gentile alot

I thought so. I mean, my grandparents were pretty well off. We still own land in the Azores.
And if shit was bad, they would have left during Salazar not after.

My grandpa is dead. So I didn't get his side.

also killed some slovenes and germans, but not that much, so we'll give him a pass amirite amici?

I think he was fairly repressive, and it wasn't as democratic as he made it out to be, but at the same time the guy also did enough for his country to be considered a hero

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I'm sure some people died after being robbed by these scum.

>look up gentile
wtf I love italian fascism now?

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What's wrong with a massacre? Don't you think it's funny that most post-industrial totalitarian regimes come around BECAUSE a massacre is necessary?

Tell that to the Athenians.

>Jews or Protestans

doubt it a lot

Even the inventors of Democracy realised this eventually.

Huh this thread is really making me do a big think about fascism. Why is fascism so vilified? Is it specifically because of nazis, and if so, why are other forms of fascism vilified?

guess Mussolini allying with Hitler ruined its' image completely

Idk if you're implying that Gaddafi was a "fascist" but he most definitely wasn't. He was a socialist arguing for a form of direct democracy, which is the opposite of the strong leader figure advocated for in fascism.
>Why is fascism so vilified?
Do you really need an answer to this?
Literally everything about fascist ideology is either fucking bad in the first place, or doesn't work out in practice, or both

>Idk if you're implying that Gaddafi was a "fascist" but he most definitely wasn't. He was a socialist arguing for a form of direct democracy, which is the opposite of the strong leader figure advocated for in fascism.
Gaddafi was a lot of things throughout his reign, from Islamist to Secular Socialist, from Pan-Arab to Pan-African and if he was arguing for a form of direct democracy then it sure was taking a while for him to start

>Literally everything about fascist ideology is either fucking bad in the first place, or doesn't work out in practice, or both
"No."

Wasn't implying gaddafi was a fascist but I assumed you were saying he was because of the thread topic.
Why did Hitler squander everything?

Alright, thread topic is totalitarianism though, not necessarily fascism.
>"No."
"Yes."
Or name one counter-example.

He's right

My mistake, Benito Mussolini is what got me.
also was Rome ever considered Fascist or am I retarded? I know that after the republic it was definitely a dictatorship.

>1920's: 1 Fascist regime
>1930's: 7 Fascist regimes
>1940's: 9 Fascist regimes
>1950's: 2 Fascist regimes

Hitler ruined everything

Salazar and Franco aka only Fascist states that actually lived long enough for us to see them do anything

>inb4 Franco is bad cuz he did some fucked up shit during a civil war

>was Rome ever considered Fascist or am I retarded?
What, as in Ancient Rome? That would be an anachronism, Fascism is a 20th century ideology, although it is based on the symbolic "fasces" from ancient Rome: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces

>We still own land in the Azores
A lot of those lands lay abandoned user, has your family done maintenance? After some fucked up fires, governament in the continental shelf is pondering nationalizing those lands, fairly if you ask me, even tough i think it should go to the nearest family member of the owner living in the country

Yeah I knew that fascism, specifically in Italy and Germany took a lot of ideas and names from Rome.

We rent it out to some goat farmer and get a check like every 6 months, the amount of money is less than the rent for a studio apartment for one month in California. My family hasn't even visited Portugal in like 20+ years. But my grandparents and my mother are still Portuguese citizens.

My mom isn't the oldest child so I doubt that I'm going to inherit that land.

During the Second Italo-Ethiopian War, Italian violations of the laws of war were reported and documented.[4] These included the use of chemical weapons such as mustard gas, the use of concentration camps in counter-insurgency, and attacks on Red Cross facilities. According to the Ethiopian government, 382,800 civilian deaths were directly attributable to the Italian invasion. 17,800 women and children killed by bombing, 30,000 people were killed in the massacre of February 1937, 35,000 people died in concentration camps, and 300,000 people died of privations due to the destruction of their villages and farms. The Ethiopian government also claimed that the Italians destroyed 2,000 churches and 525,000 houses, while confiscating or slaughtering 6 million cattle, 7 million sheep and goats, and 1.7 million horses, mules, and camels, leading to the latter deaths.[5]

it's like one mistake

>The eternal italian is acutely aware of teuton autism

>The people do not know what is the best for them.
>starts persecuting people based on their ethnicity

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Oh come on. Just because someone is a dictator, does mean the same thing as totalitarian.

Hitler told him to! Not completely his fault

coming from a pro communist anti stalinist, holodomor was definitely a genocide. he had cultural and religious leaders, not guilty of treasonous activities, rounded up and sent to concentration camps. The suffering in the countryside was mostly ignored by the soviet state which failed to accommodate for mass displacement due to their economic policies. It is comparable to the negligence of the British government to suffering of the Indian famine during WW2.

I was just answering his question. This doesn't even take into account that Italy sent soldiers to help the German invasion of USSR which was rife with war crimes.

(((war crimes)))

It´s not primogeniture here, inheritance gets divided amongst the sons and then they get further divided by their son´s sons
Unleass there is something else to inherit your mom might get a piece of it i supose
You should visit, at some point they might start belienving it´s theirs or something
I think you can get citzenship, even tough i wouldn´t reccomend it since you could be specialized in some job and return with tax exemption and get it latter after you returned, if not thinking of returning get it anyway, it might be usefull (don´t think we extradite national citzens to the US, even if we did it would take years)
Save some money and make a return, it´s cheap and cosy even tough comming from Callifornia you might preffer the town, those islands are even cheaper than the continent, it´s historical and has lots of natural sights and it has a mix of caraibean and mediterranic climate (pic happened in Madeira but is an example of how our islands are)

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Possibly, depending on what happens to his new subjects in Africa and middle-east and Europe if he won, he never had the chance because he lost the war. And he's someone who is forgivable because he is dead and didn't do nearly as bad things as some of his contemporaries (Stalin, Hitler, etc) and also not nearly as bad as a whole lot of other historical rulers.

So it's hard for me to hate Mussolini.

>he had cultural and religious leaders, not guilty of treasonous activities, rounded up and sent to concentration camps.
not denying that (I'm not pro-Stalin either for the record, surely Lenin was the greatest soviet leader) but that's something else than the alleged Holodomor
Might be wrong but AFAIK the famine was mostly a result of Kulaks hoarding food and slaughtering their own livestock to prevent them from being collectivized

I want to get Portuguese citizenship, just to say I did.
I visited Lisbon and liked it, 2nd favorite place in Europe (as a tourist) behind Rome for me.
But I still haven't visited the Azores. I want to go though.

>Salazar
>Fascist

Pick one

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How was it not?

It´s always a bonus, you should check the consulate, i think theres one in San Francisco

>No concentration camps
>Instead of the norm of forcing citzens to enter the party do advance in life Salazar discouraged citzens from doing politics
>No imperialism or will to expand
>No racism

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Ah yes, only anime posters could be this retarded. Next yime you'll post a frog or what?

None of those are inherently fascist.

National Socialism, while having the more descriptive name, is not the best example of fascism.

Also Portugal was having trouble holding on to its current colonies, that why it couldn't expand. As for no racism, debatable. Racism was just the norm in those days not the scary taboo it is now. Any cases of Africans from Portuguese Angola holding high levels of Power in Salazar's government?

Not really, why not just instead look at the records an see things for how they were?

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>le fascism is superior to democracy meme

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Yes, sure there where racists, and still are, i´m racist towards gypsies here and apatic towards the cape verdians, but racism wasn´t state nor party sponsored. As for the expansionsm it´s not true, Salazar didn´t want to expand at any given situation, he had a cleric mentality and was consciencious enough to loathe the bishops of the late middle ages who liked to play war games, he saw that as degenerate
>Any cases of Africans from Portuguese Angola holding high levels of Power in Salazar's government?
Maybe. I don´t think he believed that was important, what i can tell you is that african overseas were more liberal and less in the reign of censorship than the mainland.

Nah nibba it's /r/uncensored news now

they were probably racist for today's standards, Salazar just thought Hiter's obsession with race was autistic

either way everything you just said doesn't make him non Fascist

What would you say in points, are characteristics of fascism?

In practice authoritarian nationalism with forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce.

In theory, socialism with nationalism replacing class struggle, the third way. In which everyone works for the greater good of the nation. Not racist per sey, Mussolini believed in Italianization, culture genocide, but not ethnic.

Those are my definitions. Frankly I would call the PRC the most successful example of a fascist state since the 90s when nationalism and privatization replaced older communist ideologies.