>Large urban centers
>Argiculture
>Advanced metallurgy
>standardized currency
>Social classes with nobility
So tell me again why the ancient celts weren’t considered a civilization?
Large urban centers
Chase Scott
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Josiah Young
They were CIVILIZED for that time period for all the reasons you just mentioned. However there was no unified celtic civilization. Most tribes ran on their own with occasional confederations among tribes against a common enemy
Jose Long
Oppida weren't urban centers, lol. The average Celt in Continental Europe lived in agricultural villages. Might as well call the feudal countryside of medieval europe "Urbanized."
Also very tribal organization.
Nolan Moore
>large urban center
Aside from one from the castro culture in Spain and Heubeburg, no, Maine the castro culture classifies barely
Camden Robinson
In part because they didn't use writing and left us absolutely no written testimony of their time.
Cameron Turner
Never should have come here, C*ltoid
Sebastian Howard
>weren’t considered a civilization?
Who in the world says this?
Isaiah Sanchez
Romans and Greeks.
Jayden Morris
They're retarded. Might at well not call the Mississippian Mound builders, Pueblo people and Incas not civilizations too.
Dominic Davis
They're not. If you don't speak Greek, you're not a civilization.
Ayden Fisher
So did sudanic west africa
Jacob Gutierrez
The term is barbarian
Gabriel Sanchez
The average Oppida has a population between 5,000 to 10,000. That doesn’t sound like a typical farming village to me.
Henry Campbell
Which is contrasted to civilization.
Colton Perry
>The average Oppida has a population between 5,000 to 10,000.
Source: your fantasies
Chase Williams
>no writing system
>mud huts and straw thatch houses
>tribal system of organization
>no philosophies or great thinkers
Nigger-tier
John Morgan
>Anonymous
Same with the inca
Jack Gutierrez
No.
Incas had an organized empire and complex architecture.
Ethan Torres
Inca had a writing system, stone houses, and an imperial system of government (they were an actual empire)
Wyatt Reed
Except stone building
Jason Murphy
What writing?
Tyler Turner
So did sudanic west africa
Ryder Collins
because romanz are RACIST
Thomas Flores
If Celts count as civilizations then the agrarian statelets of my country's ancestors are a civilization too.
But not really.
Jordan Morales
Civilization = Cool buildings and statues
James Rogers
Oh wait, I remembered we had writing. Celts BTFO.
Luis Moore
Because the Celt in one part of Britannia didn't belong to the same polity as a Celt from another part of the island, much less a Celt in Gaul or Italy.
They also didn't speak Greek or Latin, and were therefore literal Bar Bar ians.
Aiden Lopez
WE
Adam Green
He's bullshitting, the Inca had a weird way of tracking some things by putting knots of varying thickness in string, but they didn't have any way of putting down language.
Andrew Martinez
It's not we if it's true
Tyler Phillips
Ethiopians. Not your ancestors Tyrone.
Jacob Kelly
I believe they were developing a kind of proto-writinh. Similar to the transition from chinese glyphs to their earliest writing. Tocapu is the name of the textil symbols.
Brandon Sullivan
Not developed independently and derived from Proto-Sinaitic and Phoenician alphabet.
Juan Morris
This picture is not in Ethiopia.
Kayden Davis
There's symbols in the textiles some academics believe may be writing.
Gavin Young
So just like Latin, Greek, Russian, and Indian alphabets then?
Juan White
You came motherfucker!
Logan Morris
Shit art for the 14th century.
Jose Gonzalez
If it were from 1300 BCE instead of CE, I would be impressed.
Jacob King
It was
Dominic Perez
Let us join you in battle
Colton Cook
It's not shit
Blake Hughes
For the 14th century, it's very unimpressive. Compare this with the European and Chinese art of the same period.
Jordan Edwards
Why are some people here so obsessed with shitting on sub saharan history? Why the fuck would you even care.
Gavin Russell
Aside from the usual disdain for niggers of various sorts there's also the fact that this was started as a thread about celts and some random moron butting in with his favortism for random ooga boogas has no place in a discussion about indo-european descended civilizations.
Aaron Flores
>Celts sat beside (even lived among) the Romans/Greeks and never developed a writing system at fucking all.
>SEAsians in shitty Islands manage to adopt Indian-derived Syllabaries evolving to a distinctive script.
The absolute state of Celts.
Aiden Torres
Those are not "average" oppida, they're outliers and are all basically contemporary to the Romans, most oppida were a few huts encircled by wooden fences
Michael Thomas
So runic doesn’t count?
Aaron Sullivan
>Celts.
>Runes.
Are you a fucking Wiccan?
Nathaniel Ward
Actually celts did have a writing system, it was just that literacy was confined to the druids, so when the romans invaded and during the course of that invasion killed off all the druids they could get their hands on, the writing system went with them.
There were some celts who lived near greeks in gaul and elsewhere who did adopt substantial parts of greek culture and this likely included the written language, but sadly none of their literature, if any, survives to the present day.
Nolan Fisher
I know Galatians pretty much just wrote Greek. Language included.
Levi Howard
They’re not white
John Fisher
What about Bibracte, heunuburg, Glauberg, parisii, Heidengraben, and San Cibrao de Lás.
Thomas Stewart
I imagine it's something to do with all contempory source material being of Roman origin/the Roman tendancy see others as inferior.
Couple that with the cultural assimilation that happened in conquered regions and you have the perception that all forms of society apart from those derived from Rome are Barbarians
Christopher Myers
They are indo europeans
Gavin Cox
So are Bengalis.
Are they white too now?
Easton Miller
Probably because it wasn't that centralized.
Colton Hernandez
If it's Indo-European or East Easian, it's OK on my book.
Austin Myers
Any surviving samples of their writings? I would love to be proven wrong in what I said here.
Jordan Bennett
Bengalis are 100% Nordic White Blonde Blue-Eyed Aryan
Robert Stewart
Yeah, but why take the obvious bait and be a moron though? Someone only has to say "great zimbabwe" and you will have a horde of retards throwing a tantrum over it.
Jack Baker
Because of the stupid writing meme
Brody Allen
They seemed to always get triggered when ever you mention african civilizations they probably have deep issues
David Harris
Would Zimbabwe stone settlements be considered a civ if not neither is this
Grayson Sullivan
>no writing system
Wrong. They definitely wrote things down and kept records. Writing down parts of the oral tradition was forbidden as Druidic authority relied the exclusive knowledge. This was probably a major cultural flaw for the Celts.
That said, we do have a surprising amount of writing (it's our primary source when it comes to their language), as well as contemporary accounts of them keeping extensive records of things, such as the Helvetii during migration according to Caesar.
So yeah, what we do have of Celtic writing is mundane records, graffiti, and things written on pottery and stuff ("bob mate this for jeff")
>mud huts and straw thatch houses
Wattle and daub != mud huts.
And what the hell is wrong with thatch-roof houses? They were still in use up to about the mid-20th century, and that includes straw shelters for jobs outside of the settled areas such as charcoal burning.
Besides, these are the exact same building materials primarily used in medieval Europe, simply because they work great and are abundant north of the Mediterranean.
>tribal system of organization
Tribe is a loaded term. They were tribal in a similar sense to the Romans. The difference is that the Romans conquered the other tribes of Italy.
In terms of societal complexity and organisation, they easily compared well to the Mediterranean.
While some things varied from tribe to tribe, we know their systems in general relied on a lot of different elected representatives. Even the position of king was a matter of election instead of inheritance.
They also had a pretty solid legal system. Interestingly, fines were proportional to the wealth of the offender.
>no philosophies or great thinkers
The problem of not writing down cultural things obviously made it a bit hard for their shit to survive. We do have accounts of Celts (especially druids) discussing philosophy with Greeks on very equal terms.
Brayden Reed
it doesnt surprise me that western euros are so fascinated by the medieval age. celtic architecture looks entirely similar.
meanwhile many greeks (atleast actual ones) only give a shit about the ancient world.
Henry Davis
Futhark is germanic famalam
Gabriel Murphy
I thought RONANZ were White? How can they be racist against other white people?
Jose Bailey
It was more of a culture that was scattered everywhere. If they settled down in one spot with cities and a king to rule over them then they would have been.