Ancient Waterworks

Water Management is an essential part of civilization, post them:

Inca aboveground aqueduct

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For me its crazy to think that the Olmec of San Lorenzo had running water, fountains and aqueducts 3000 years ago, considering the people that live there today had no running water until 60 years ago.

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. Aqueducts are a creation of the Mayan empire, the aqueducts where used to travel fresh mountain water all through out the Mayan empire. The way the aqueducts work is through tunnels for example an aqueduct pipe will run form a mountain stream to a stair case pipes and into a big pool like circle filled with water for the entire city. You can find aqueducts in palenque mexico where the Mayans once lived.

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The sprawling water system of ancient Rome has come to be a marker of the civilization’s advanced way of life. But, these same pipes may have been poisoning the people who relied on them. An original Roman lead waterpipe:

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The true sign of civilization

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That looks surprisingly "modern."

aqueduct of Ugarit, on the Syrian coast 2nd millenium bc

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Aqueduct of Tylissos on Crete, early second millenium bc

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tubes are incredibly efficient at transporting water
however what the romans lacked was the ability to properly shape tubes out of non-toxic metals

Meanwhile in one of Great African Kingdoms

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Sardinia, aqueduct of Gremanu, 2nd millenium bc

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Knossos, Crete early 2nd millenium bc. They even built some sort of flush toilet inside of the palace

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7th century bc aqueduct from Delos in Greece, probably this will be the inspiration for the famous monumental Roman aqueducts later on

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Jerwan aqueduct near Nineveh built between 703 and 690 bc by the Assyrians, used to water Nineveh's gardens

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Aqua Appia, the first Roman aqueduct used of course to provide the city with water. Built in 312 bc it shows that Rome was already a powerful entity by then, truly outstanding.

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If you live in an older city you are still drinking out of lead and wooden pipes

>however what the romans lacked was the ability to properly shape tubes out of non-toxic metals

Nonsense, they could have made water pipes out of copper or cast iron but lead was cheep and easy to work with.

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these are the famous puquios uses wind force for water witching in the desert by the people who built the Nazca lines

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This pipes were found inside a pyramid near where I live they are 1500 years old, were part of the pyramids drainage system, southern mexico

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Cast iron tubes would be a mega bitch.

Grand canal.

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I bet the pros of cheap mass produced pipes outweighed the cons of lead, definitely in engineering but in health as well. I’m no doctor though so what do I know.

there is nothing wrong with lead, the inside becomes calcified and zero lead touches water after a year or two of running

anything Roman looks surprisingly modern

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how can any civilization make their aqueducts water tight?

Finally someone says it.

Duijiangyan (都江堰), a massive irrigation system built during the Warring States Period (256 BC) that's still in operation today. Built by Qin engineer Li Bing in order to increase food production for the state.

The following is ripped off from Wikipedia:
>Li Bing then created “the largest, most carefully planned public works project yet seen anywhere on the eastern half of the Eurasian continent.” It would be called Dujiangyan. (Sage, 149) He conducted an extensive hydraulic survey of the Min River in order to stabilize the waters from flooding settlements and plot out an extension into Chengdu. This extension would be a fairway to provide logistical military support to the Chengdu supply lines. This is standard practice for Qin administrators who routinely combine their agricultural projects for both civilian and military purposes. (Ibid) The Min River is 735 km long and it is the largest and the longest of the Yangtze tributaries.

>Li Bing faced a number of daunting tasks. Firstly, the Qin administration was more experienced working with arid lands than with wet rice paddies. Additionally, by slowing the water current, this reduced the river’s ability to carry away large amounts of sediment. At peak discharge, the Min flows at about 5000 or even 6000 cubic meters per second. At low water, it lessens to about 500 cubic meters per second. (Elvin, 121 edited) On the other hand, the water diversion would have a positive effect and with the Qin system of land distribution with wet paddy rice in the Chengdu plains.

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>But that was only half of the problem. The other half had to do with Shu culture. The native Animist people of Shu]believed that the Min was a deity. As recorded in the Shiji, “Sima Qian relates the tale that, upon appointment as administrator of Po, a province of Wei, Ximen Bao discouraged the superstition of the people about a bride for the god of the river and punished the local gentry and bureaucrats who took advantage of such superstitions.” (Chi, 67) This was the ordinary practice of Administrators across the region. But, Ximen Bao did not succeed. Therefore, in order to avert a similar massive revolt, Li Bing set out to end this practice “by a combination of tact and showmanship”. (Sage, 150)

>Steven Sage describes from the Shiji that the first thing Li Bing did was set up a temple to honor the Min deity. He then offered his own two daughters as brides to the deity. But first he set up a large nuptial banquet along the river. He offered a toast. But the deity did not drink his glass of wine. Deeply offended, Li Bing runs off sword drawn. Two bulls prepared in advance were then seen by the crowd fighting along the river bank. Symbolically, this was Li Bing in a duel with the deity. Li Bing returns to the scene sweating as if in battle and calls for assistance. One of his lieutenants ran up to the bull that Li Bing had pointed out was the deity and killed the bull. The river spirit was subdued. “Through the medium of the bull, Li Bing had won.”(Sage 150-151{Shiji, ch.116, xi nan yi lie zhuan, pp 2995–2996.})

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>After the system was finished, no more floods occurred. The irrigation made Sichuan the most productive agricultural place in China. On the east side of Dujiangyan, people built a shrine in remembrance of Li Bing.

>Li Bing’s construction is also credited with giving the people of the region a laid-back attitude to life;[11] by eliminating disaster and ensuring a regular and bountiful harvest, it has left them with plenty of free time.[12]

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Pont du gard, a Roman aqueduct built in first century AD to provide the Roman colony of Nimes in Southern France with water, it's about 50 kilometers long.

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great thread

did the lead pipes actually cause any deaths?

Spaniards really did setback Mexicans. I wish the Columbian exchange was less about conquest and just trade. Could have been great.

Everything you said is accurate except Mayan Empire. Mayan in english is only used to refer to their language not the People who are just called Maya. And there never was an empire. The closest was maybe the League of Mayapan. The Maya were city-states and kingdoms. Much like Ancient Greece.

Very cool how large populations always lead to these masterworks of technology purely out of necessity.