And what was it like?
What was the Sino-Japanese war(1937-1945) about
Luke Murphy
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Aiden Ramirez
War of Sino aggression
Owen Adams
WE'RE GONNA FREE YOU ALL FROM YOUR COLONIAL OPPRESSORS!!
>invades china
>runs arguably more brutal colonies over whites and asians
>dream of owning all of east asia in a "greater co-prosperity sphere"
*70 years later*
"watashi wa dindu nuffin"
Carter Lee
USA should have intervened when they shot down the USS Panay.
Oliver Hall
Is it Japan's fault China is now Communist,Veeky Forums?
Aiden Morales
>what was it about
Basically Japan trying to snatch Machuria and weaken China. They knew invading China was impossible, let alone keeping it. So they instead opted to create puppet state from Machuria with the last of Qing emperor as Japanese puppet. Last Emperor was forced to abdicate after the Chinese revolt, this ended the Qing dynasty. Manchuria however was not "China" with the rightful Manchu emperor still alive and ruling from Manchuria.
So why was Japan even looking into Manchu area? As their "prime motive" and as we laugh at them now, its about Russian takeover. This reason is also why Japan launched into SEA islands. To push out the european powers from gobbling Asia completely.
>But what about China?
Simple, China's new republic saw Japanese as a threat so they resisted the Japanese handling/takeover of Manchuria. The republic believed Manchuria is "China", so Japanese were simply a replacement for the Russians. With no clear benevolent motive behind the takeover, the Chinese resisted this. This is where the war happened.
Dominic White
the KMT controlled all the key regions of the country in 1946 and still get mad because of their incompetence
Ryder Taylor
Soviets send a lot of equipment to PRC
Ryan White
>A lot of equipment.
>Captured Kraut small arms and a good luck wish.
Soviet arms would only enter China en masse by the time of the founding of the republic.
Most of the time the CCP and the KMT were using the same fucking western weapons.
Tyler Rogers
>"Soviets only send captured Kraut equipment"
Aaron Lopez
>chiangboos would actually blame the soviet aid for the late 1948/early 1949 campaing
Sebastian Martinez
Yes. It gave the Communists 8 years time to reorganize, gain experience and support in the wake of the long march. In the beginning of the Second Sino-Japanese War their numbers were in the thousands in the end they exceeded a million.
Zachary Howard
>What was the Sino-Japanese war(1937-1945) about
Japan's ambitious to unite Asia under a Japanese led union (East Asia's Co Prosperity Sphere). Which was really only thought up because of the mess China was in following the destruction of the Qing.
>And what was it like?
It was pretty cool at first. Then started sucking around 1943
China was way more brutal to the Chinese, the shit that does down as barbarous Japanese acts like beheading was just every day shit under the warlords. Then you have stuff like Nationals flooding a river just to slow down the Japanese a few days that killed more Chinese than even the highest Nanking estimates, then you had all the bad shit the communist did. The Japanese were just treating the Chinese like the Chinese treated each other. And also the sheer population of China means any action is going to kill way higher numbers than if it was in Europe or America.
Bentley Cox
Imagine being a KMT soldier who was so incredibly lucky that not only does he get an actual gun, but he gets a fucking sturmgewehr
Blake Butler
PROTIP: Stalin didn't want a China unified under communism, and supported the CCP in a way that would lead to a weakened China, one that won't be of help to the western powers and one that won't threaten Soviet Paramountcy as leader of the Communist World.
In a way what he wanted was the old Nationalist Revolutionary government that China had in the 20s where the Nationalists and Communists ruled together.
So much of the """"support"""" he gave the CCP was captured weapons from Axis powers and a wish good luck.
en.wikipedia.org
>The USSR generally supported Chiang's forces. Stalin distrusted Mao, tried to block him from leadership as late as 1942, and worried that Mao would become an independent rival force in world communism.[72]
>After the decisive Liaoshen, Huaihai and Pingjin campaigns, the CPC wiped out 144 regular and 29 non-regular KMT divisions, including 1.54 million veteran KMT troops. This effectively smashed the backbone of the KMT army.[42] Stalin wanted a coalition government in China, and tried to stop Mao from crossing the Yangtze River and moving South.[56] Mao rejected Stalin's position and on 21 April, Communist forces crossed the Yangtze River. On 23 April they captured the KMT's capital, Nanjing.[27]
Dylan Wright
manchuria was controlled by china several times.
Michael Gonzalez
>Manchuria however was not "China" with the rightful Manchu emperor still alive and ruling from Manchuria.
t. Takeshi.
The Qing Dynasty wasn't a nation state. It and China was the same fucking thing.
David Fisher
Japs felt like conquering China
Overestimated their ability
Underestimated China’s hate for Japs
Got stalemated
Rapidly losing resources
Decided to invade ASEAN
USA said fuck off
Japs attack USA
Chinese start winning with US aid
Japs get desperate
Do a few kamikaze attacks with the last of their limited resources
Chinese counterattack and take back central China
Soviets invade
Japs get nuked
Landon Moore
Yeah basically
The Soviets cucking the japs and then handing Manchuria to the CCP turned the tide of the civil war.
Wrong. Not Manchuria.
Camden Reed
>Chinese start winning with US aid
Never happened.
Brandon Nguyen
Europe was on the decline in Asia long before 1939. Nice fake jap history though
Joseph Gonzalez
Russia-Japan war happened in 1905. Because of Manchuria.
Kayden Hernandez
The 1912 Treaty of Abdication clearly gave the Republic of China all the legal and territorial rights of the Qing Empire. It calls the RoC the successor of the Qing Empire.
Taiwan has the literal treaty in the National Museum, and still stands by its legality.
Stop spouting fake Japanese history
Ryder Perez
>China was way more brutal to the Chinese, the shit that does down as barbarous Japanese acts like beheading was just every day shit under the warlords.
>if Chinese do it in China then Japanese can do it in China
Jayden Moore
Qing dynasty had already collapsed. However the Qing emperor was still alive. Japanese made him a puppet and tried to secede the Manchu from China.
As the Chinese contend the "unequal" treaties and treaties signed under duress, so too was this treaty seen by the Japanese and the last Qing emperor(puppet) as such. So the Japanese were contending this treaty.
Your mistaken, this is factual information and your ignorance shows as such.
Jace Flores
>The Battle of West Hunan , also known as the Zhijiang Campaign , was the Japanese invasion of west Hunan and the subsequent Chinese counterattack that occurred between 6 April and 7 June 1945, during the last months of the Second Sino-Japanese War. Japanese strategic aims for this campaign were to seize Chinese airfields and secure railroads in West Hunan, and to achieve a decisive victory that their depleted land forces needed.
>This campaign, if successful, would also allow Japan to attack Sichuan and eventually the Chinese war time capital Chongqing. Although the Japanese were able to make initial headways, Chinese forces were able to turn the tide and forced the Japanese into a rout, recovering a substantial amount of lost ground.
>This was the last major Japanese offensive, and the last of 22 major battles during the war to involve more than 100,000 troops. Concurrently, the Chinese managed to repel a Japanese offensive in Henan and Hubei and launched a successful attack on Japanese forces in Guangxi, turning the course of the war sharply in China's favor even as they prepared to launch a full-scale counterattack across South China.
^ Hsu Long-hsuen, and Chang Ming-kai. History of the Sino Japanese War (1937-1945). 2nd ed. Taipei, Taiwan, Republic of China: Chung Wu Publishing Co., 1972. p. 458
^ Hsu Long-hsuen, and Chang Ming-kai. History of the Sino Japanese War (1937-1945). 2nd ed. Taipei, Taiwan, Republic of China: Chung Wu Publishing Co., 1972. p. 457
^ Kraus, Theresa L. US Army Campaigns of World War II: China Offensive. Washington, D.C.: Center of Military History, United States Army, 1992.
Wyatt Jones
>Then you have stuff like Nationals flooding a river just to slow down the Japanese a few days
The sad part is the Japanese had already crossed the area before it was flooded, so it didn't really do shit
Hunter Hill
A preventative strike against the barbarous Chinaman. Unfortunately it failed, and now the Chinese are free to enforce their brutal ruthless neocolonialism upon the developing world. Thanks America for paving the way for Chinese communism
Robert Gutierrez
>The Qing abdication wasn’t legal
Gabriel James
>So the Japanese were contending this treaty.
Not once did the Japanese contend the legality of the Qing abdication treaty. Their argument was solely that Manchuria was not China. If they thought the Qing emperor was the rightful ruler of China, then why did they form the Republic of China government in Nanjing and give it control of han China?
Jack Gutierrez
Quality bait
Many (you)s to be had
Dominic Phillips
Subhuman island inbred midget monkeys thinking they can take on the thousand nations of the celestial race who were forged through Millenia long war amongst each other. The nips got their shit pushed in by the most warlike race in all Asia even at one of their weakest points in history.
If you look at euro colonialism most Asian countries either conceded, gave up or got defeated. China always fought on. It was a terrible time but many glorious victories and heroes for China cane out of it.
The nips didn’t realise they were just one element of a thousands year long continuous cycle in Chinese history of civil war and foreign invasion followed by native unification.
If Japan doesn’t play its politics right, they’ll be conquered and assimilated by China like the mongols, Turkics and tibetans.
It’s far better for them to play a friendly role like the Malaysians and Pakistanis do, however knowing how dumb japs are, they’ll likely just get conquered.
Hunter Cox
Japan wanting more land.
Josiah Kelly
Japanese self-defense activites.
t: Tojo.
Caleb Bennett
And no one sent the KMT anything amirite?
Jacob Bell
Or rather the last Qing emperor did. When he returned to "power" in Manchuko, he did so with full self-determination with the support of the Japanese. Later on, he was forced more and more into Japanese spokesman and found himself a puppet.
Leo Adams
>not letting Japan take everything counts as winning in China