VEGAN GENERAL - meatcucks will defend this edition

Would you accept the "painless" justification if you were in the victim's position?

>- USDA 40% of US population flirting with B12 deficiency due to modern farming
They're on the low range of normal unlike vegans.
An american shart in the mart diet is better than a vegan one jesus christ how embarrassing.

>needs B12 vitamins to not die
>somehow claim that this is a natural diet
lmao thanks for reminding me to filter these autistic shill threads

>meat eaters don't need b12
>nature fallacy
wew

>B12 deficient brain at work
vitamins as in supps you stupid faggot

>feed supplement to cow
>eat cow
>look mom, i don't need supplements

Yes. No girl has ever dated a guy who eats meat

Vegans are fucking braindead

Friendly reminder that less than 5 vegans can outbench a literal downie kid. youtube.com/watch?v=LKSKNDTAMrM

>all animals we use as food sources are on B12 supplements
Give me a legitimate citation or go fuck yourself

You should highlight the all since he'll pull some retarded shit, maybe put in caps for him.

>strawman
>doesn't know that most animals are fed b12 fortified feed
meat-brain at work

I would never date a vegan man. I just can't help but think you're weak.

what is moral

is it derived from religion? the only relgions that forbid meats exclude one or two for arbitrary reasons like uncleanliness.

is it not? is it whiny little faggots on the internet? gay lions were trotted out as an exemple of why gay marriage should be legalized. was it ok to emulate nature then?

we don't want you, fag

Take the test, meatcucks.

how many of you vegan dare to ditch B12 supplements and start eating oncom ?

numale soyboys kek

i'm not i don't care about the victim i just like meat.

>some studies say

some studies say marijuana cures cancer. some studies say it causes it. name a thing humans put inside them and i'll find a paper on why its bad and another paper on why its good

>muh morality

either morality comes from god in which case meat is ok, it comes from nature in which case meat is ok or it comes from man in which case meat is ok and also morality is entirely subjective and meaningless

>muh health

tell me more about how vegans live a whole 5 years longer than people who shovel 3000 calories of refined corn sugar and chemical dyes into their mouths a day

>some studies say marijuana cures cancer. some studies say it causes it. name a thing humans put inside them and i'll find a paper on why its bad and another paper on why its good
i'm sorry that the education system has failed you this badly

is this a joke

this is not kosher

>what is moral
Good question. Since it is not tangible, it cannot be clearly defined or proven. However if you start with a unanimously agreed upon axiom (I believe that humans have moral value) and use deductive reasoning with logically sound arguments, you will arrive at a moral conclusion
Humans are of moral value (it's bad to kill them for food)
There is no trait that makes humans have that moral value that animals lack, that if a human lacks will make them lose that moral value
Therefore, animals have moral value (it's bad to kill them for food)

lol nice argument bugman

i'm not making an argument, just pointing out that you have zero clue about the scientific method

>i'm not i don't care about the victim i just like meat.
Would you rob a defenseless old lady at the bus if it was socially acceptable and legal?

>moral relativism

lel, you shouldn't have moral issue with anything then

Neither do you though if you think any of the studies in the OP will even be used to wipe the assess of a health committee.

>There is no trait that makes humans have that moral value that animals lack, that if a human lacks will make them lose that moral value
There are plenty, or do you consider abnormal humans to not be excluded? You can easily put an exclusion for retards.

>strawman
You clearly don't know what that term means
>doesn't know that most animals are fed b12 fortified feed
You gonna cherry-pick some source where some company supplements their animals and make your case?

Newsflash faggot, most of our B12 consumption comes from bacteria found in soil and dirty vegetables, AKA shit that animals eat, which then obviously gets absorbed into the meat. So unless you're eating the same slop that they are, you need to live off supps and LARP as some faggot living "naturally".

you are so smart please tell me more about why i'm an idiot

ok how about this axiom
>animals kill each other for food all the time
>animals do not give a fuck if their prey suffers horribly
>humans are animals

therefore it's perfectly fine to kill animals for their meat.

wow people who work in slaughterhouses are fucking crazy, who would ever have guessed? that's not standard practice and for all we know it's some peta insider doing it for "the greater good". wouldn't be the first time.

yes so would most people they would do it without question if they were raised to think it's ok.

>plantation displace native animals and plants
>human settlements displace native habitat
>wastes & pollution from human activities destroy ecosystem
Being vegan is not enough, humanity existence itself is dangerous to the whole world.
Therefore we must destroy all human being for the sake of other living beings to continue peaceful exsistance, starting from ourselves

Sugarcoating it as an exception doesn't make it less of a double standard
>>animals kill each other for food all the time
>>animals do not give a fuck if their prey suffers horribly
>>humans are animals
>therefore it's perfectly fine to kill animals for their meat.
Yes, but this is faulty logic because you used inductive reasoning. Here is what you said:
>Bears eat meat
>Bears and deer are both animals
>Therefore deer eat meat
>yes so would most people they would do it without question if they were raised to think it's okso you would be ok with the same happening to you? You wouldn't resist, it's moral, right?

>Sugarcoating it as an exception doesn't make it less of a double standard
It's not sugarcoating though. They are abnormal, just as I'm sure if an abnormal cow was born that was able to speak, shitpost on Veeky Forums and can get a degree in nuclear physics it would not be eaten by anyone.

>after becoming vegan we got free foods, shelter, mate without doing anything and still loved by all people around the world

t. vegan bear

do you resist driving a gas-powered car? you could take the bus? and no, that's not what i said at all. deer do eat meat btw, or at least they will if they can get it without any effort at all, say they stumble upon a wounded bird

vegans are stupid

Why are you so defensive about eating meat? lol. Fucking faggot I'm not a vegan and I clearly recognize that plant based diets are superior in every way. Just fucking admit you only eat meat for the taste and move the fuck on pussy. You really need a moral reasoning to fucking eat food kill yourself.

you forgot your opening picture

deers do love female human meat

> nara
AdmiralLUL

Go and get killed by an emu you worthless bogan cucumber sucker

lol if you recognize that a plant based diet is superior in every way why don't you eat one?

huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/24/kitten-vegan-diet-nearly-dies_n_3644213.html

yes yes they are

lol because meat offers easy af macros as a protein source and I simply don't have the willpower to make the transition on my own. basically laziness

>lets kill all the domesticated farm animals so we dont have to kill animals
Vegan logic everyone

>Newsflash faggot, most of our B12 consumption comes from bacteria found in soil and dirty vegetables, AKA shit that animals eat
hah. what do you think most animals in the industry eat? most of them die without ever seeing grass once

>we must destroy all human being

Nah, just trim the population, it's been getting out of hand lately. I propose we start with Africa, Middle East and India, the rest seem to be regulating themselves decently.

wut

Don't forget China and USA.

that's kind of sad, mate

The only reason we don't get b12 from fruit and veg is because of the extensive cleansing process it goes through before we can purchase it. Also, we used to get a lot of b12 from water before most of our water supply became cleansed and pumped through tap systems. In more traditional times, a person could get sufficient b12 intake from merely eating veg and running water.

Also, due to these issues, it's harder for animals themselves to get b12. Hence, why it's common to now buy b12 supplements for cattle too.

>That classic apply to futility fallacy

> a person could get sufficient b12 intake from merely eating veg and running water.
They would also be at higher risk of getting infections and parasites m8, you can still purchase your vegetables from local farms if you want to and eat them with dirt on them.

what are high protein vegan foods that aren't also high in carbs?

Carbs are not bad for you.

He was a vegetarian in his last years of life

tempeh made in less hygienic place has higher B12, like ones traditionally made in indonesia
but can your first world stomach consume it

He didn't say that, he can easily get chicken breast, turkey, tuna even some lean cuts of beef, this is without forgetting diary etc... It's a helpful tool for someone cutting while still wanting to maintain a fairly high protein intake.

Some high protein tofus are available 18g prot for 2g fat and sub 1g carb afaik. Same with some vegan protein shakes.

Explains why he lost the war.

Meant to quote

>someone decides to be a vegetarian
>but they have eaten meat before so they are still evil

come on guys

>hah. what do you think most animals in the industry eat? most of them die without ever seeing grass once
Look at yourself try to change the original argument like the fucking weasel you are.

The only reason SOME, as in, NOT ALL cows in the industry today need supplements is because of their grain diets, which lack the cobalt necessary for B12. This changes nothing about the fact that people were completely fine getting their B12 from meat long before the meat industry was a thing since most cows were grass-fed. All this shows is a change in industry practices required for feeding a much larger population.

Can't say the same thing for your faggot soyboy diet, can you, since I imagine eating shit-covered vegetables your entire life wouldn't fare you well health-wise? If you want to argue for you lifestyle on the basis of morality, that's a completely different case, but to suggest that just because the meat industry had to adapt to a whole new market implies that vegan diets were "just" as natural is fucking pants-on-head retarded.

Im vegan and unironically would support castration/genocide of all africans/middle easterners/indians and even chinese worldwide

even the ones living in first world (white) countries

(especially the ones in white countries)

If a politician wanted to euthinise all blacks id vote for them 100%

They really do breed like cockroaches

Add obese people in there and you got yourself a deal.