I'm not going to inject test, that's dangerous!

>pure test
>in the bloodstream
You have no clue do you.

Theres no contradiction. One is bad for you, the other isnt

>It's totally safe, bro!
*Heart explodes*

Yeah man it's all natural here let me stick you with this rusty ned AHHH MY HEART

>Injecting pure test in to your bloodstream

>Injecting pure test in to your bloodstream for extended periods of time is.
You dont inject it into your blood stream, thats why they are ripping on you dude because you come off as someone who doesnt have a clue.
They arent wrong

>i-if you inject it somewhere else it's s-safer
samefag roidheads

Not samefagging and im not saying its safe, you idiot.
If you want to condemn people for smoking because its deadly you dont presume people stick cigarettes up their ass, makes you look clueless and wrong.

Id love to hear more arguments about how its dangerous and in what dosages, do you know that or are you just a moralfag without a dick to suck so youre here spewing shit?

Leave it to the ignorant roidhead to start a playground fight. I get that you and everyone else in /fraud/ are addicting to the gains and can't imagine a life before you started using illegal and dangerous substances but the bottom line and the truth of it is it's dangerous and you should be encouraging people to avoid using steroids and harming themselves.

You should be ingesting zinc in food or supplement form even if you don't lift, it's an essential micronutrient.

>Leave it to the ignorant roidhead
Im not even on roids, but nice try mate
Guessing you have no arguments then

>no u
k

Nice replies, roidhead. Keep destroying your health and apparently your mind too judging by your lack of an argument to excuse your poor behaviors.

In what way is it dangerous? Provide evidence or learn how burden of proof works.

To be fair, the things you list aren't dangerous either. Except squats though, they're largely pointless, and all three have a negligible effect on test levels.

Again, an example of someone who has had heart-failure from injecting test? I'm unaware of any.

Again, burden of proof. I've actually finished my first cycle now (with excellent results, and perfect bloodwork as done by my own GP) but I always said if someone came up with ANY proof steroids were dangerous, I'd bin the lot and never touch them again.

Assuming you're the guy saying steroids are dangerous, it's you who needs an argument.

Again, any proof welcome. Any at all.

Still no arguments and youre not even reading my reply
If roids makes you stupid then im guessing you took all of them

>showering with warm water doesn't hurt you yet you're afraid to bath in the lava of a volcano
>where's the contradiction?

>judging by your lack of an argument
Argument about what, you pulled shit out of your ass and got called out.

legit curious, would those who roid say it is worth it as far as their quality of life goes, also are the side effects of balding and fucked up nose/dick real or overblown?

You almost never inject anything intravenously. Its super fucking dangerous. If there is ANY air in the syringe you are fucking dead. Anyone with even basic introductory medical knowledge knows to never inject intravenously. Clearly, you lack this basic knowledge. Which is why roidfags won't listen to you. The only negative consequence of injective low dose test is the suppression of the HPTA, which can be reversed. TRT has been studied extensively, and if anything, it helps your heart. Testosterone is as safe as drinking water, too much will harm you.

Mom, you don’t inject it into your bloodstream, this isn’t heroin or creatine...

You need to reconsider how exogenous Test is introduced to the body which I’ll let you google.

Yes, 100% worth it.

Total skelly, like dying-of-cancer skinny and gaunt. I know that it's simply Newton's 2nd Law that you just need to eat more, but I couldn't - dreadful anxiety and panic attacks. Even got angry and just tried to force feed myself, and I'd just throw it back up.

First cycle totally changed my life. Not only did I put on two stone of muscle (so I'm still "slim" but no longer repulsive) but my anxiety vanished, my appetite went through the roof, my confidence (while not a problem beforehand) was even better. So much more drive and motivation too. I just felt like a normal man should.

Now I'm off them and on PCT, I'm still feeling good. A little less power in the gym, but not losing weight or dropping sets. It's about planning and working around it carefully.

All the shit about balding is true, but only if you were going bald anyway. I lost nothing.

Not sure what you mean by nose. Do you mean it getting bigger? That's HGH, totally different from steroids and it only happens at insane doses.

Nothing can change the size of your dick, either bigger or smaller. The myth comes from the fact injecting artificial test means your body doesn't need to bother producing its own, so your balls can shrink, slightly. I noticed no difference in mine though.

Provided you read, read, read, read, and read before jumping on, you'll be fine. My GP even gave me the green-light and has been supportive with regular bloodwork and checkups.

My test was low anyway (though annoyingly just above the threshold for getting it free on the NHS) but I've got post-cycle bloods next week, so we'll see what the next step is. Next proper cycle will be around February. Might "cruise" on a TRT dose until then, but we'll see what the bloods say.

Why would injecting test give you a fucked up nose?

This thread was off to a shaky start with the “roidhead” guy and now this about noses... this whole thread is delet

>m-muh burden of proof
>it w-worked for me works for everyone

>resisting the pornographic jew
>taking storebought vitamins
>functional exercise
vs
>injecting unregulated toilet brewed chemicals into my butt

who would win

Err, I think you've completely misunderstood what burden of proof means.

I'm assuming you're either trolling (badly) or are an idiot not worth entering into discussion with.

Either way is good, as it means steroid users are fine to carry on as normal.

drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/anabolic-steroid-abuse/what-are-health-consequences-steroid-abuse

0.71 seconds on google.

Go ahead, carry on, right to the grave you drug addicted troll.

this, you have to be mentally retarded to even consider otherwise
>b-but *insert drug addict rationalization #934124 here*
fuck off

ABUSE
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You are braindead fucking retarded and are spreading a bs rumor about air emboli. The amount of air that needs to be injected into a vein to cause any noticeable symptoms in a healthy adult is like 25ccs. The fucking Japs figured out how much air iv it took to kill a person in WW2 and it was a hell of a lot more than "any air"

lol, are you serious?

thats what I've been saying for a while

How the fuck did you get blood work and your testosterone checked on the nhs

"Yes let's just administer this substance intravenously cuz that seems cool guys... Forget the risk of ischemic damage (which can be caused with the finest amount of fucking air), veinz r cul gis" IM injections are superior full stop. Why risk dangerous IV administration when IM is much safer for small doses of compounds.

Yeah right dude it's illegal for a reason

You retards are abusing drugs and are just in denial
Your argument is literally
>Cocaine isn't bad if you do it infrequently and in small doses

But that's actually true though. It's not bad and has little adverse health events of you do it like once or twice.

This is coming from a natty cuck who's never done a narcotic subtance in his life either.

>infrequently and in small doses
You do know that bacon is considered to have a strong link to cancer, right?

Anything can be dangerous if you overdo it, but you wouldnt argue an avoidance of bacon or sunlight would you?

More arguments as to WHY its dangerous please, also if you dont know there are many types of roids but we are discussing test specifically

So come on now, why is test dangerous

You completely missed the point of my post, I am not the person you originally responded to. you sat on a high horse like you know shit about medicine when you think that "the finest amount of fucking air" can cause ischemic damage (try Google again bud). IV and IM both have their places but you obviously have no understanding of the benefits of either. Do more research before you make yourself look like a fool arguing with someone whose job is medicine as opposed to your hobby being to stick needles in your ass. Fucking retard.

Err, by going to a doctor and asking for it.

Guys frequently fuck up on this, it's very common on a forum I use. They think that they'll somehow be in "trouble" for admitting it to a doctor. Why?

Firstly it is perfectly legal in the UK, and secondly, even if it wasn't, a doctor isn't a policeman. Heroin is illegal, but he'll still help a smack addict.

A doctor has a duty of care, it is in their oath. If you're doing steroids it is their duty to keep you healthy.

Now you could argue "yes, but you're doing it to yourself, so why should a doctor help?" But you could make the same argument about smokers, drinkers, fat people, motorcyclists, people who injure themselves playing sports, or even walking up Snowdon.

My GP actually explained that not only is steroid use "surprisingly common", but done properly can have a net reduction in the amount of care, and therefore cost, people seek from the NHS. For example, it was a HELL of a lot cheaper to give me a few bloodtests than all the shite I went through with anxiety. And there's a very strong link between male mental health and hormone levels.

OK, so you went to the trouble of Googling and posting that link, so lets assume you're not a troll, and just an uneducated brainwashed American who thinks steroids are "bad". Fortunately that list is quite short but lists the big ones, so we'll go through them -

Hormonal system - Yep, it's obviously affected. But these effects are kept in-check and then reversed by proper use of AIs and PCT. Personally, I was disappointed by the lack of testicular atrophy - mine annoy me and I'd gladly have smaller ones. I also don't want kids, so infertility wouldn't bother me. That said, VERY heavy users have still fathered children.

Musculoskeletal system - Yes, although this advice only applies to people who haven't finished growing, as that article explains. This is a very good reason you shouldn't jump on gear until you're in your mid-20s.

Cardiovascular system - Yes, cholesterol levels can be an issue with long-term use. This is why you have blood-work and are very careful with your diet if you're a heavy user. That said, for a casual user the risk is negligible. My LDL/HDL levels are actually BETTER after a cycle, presumably due to more intense training and a vastly improved diet. There is also no evidence to date of even heavy users dying of heart conditions related to steroid use. As for the number of people who get such conditions due to stress, bad diet, or obesity. Well, the stats speak for themselves...

Liver - Only if you use oral steroids and aren't careful. See above.

Skin - Only in those pre-disposed and can be mitigated.

Infections - If you share needles with someone you're a fucking idiot who deserves HIV. Also, who the fuck shares steroid needles? So much more effort to dose correctly.

Any other questions?

Oh, and for the TL;DR version, see

I'm neither of the guys in this argument, but just wanted to interject by saying you're both arguing a pointless argument.

Steroids are injected IM because otherwise they wouldn't work.

Regardless of whether IV is safe or not, you can't/wouldn't inject gear that way.

literally just taking care of your body will increase your test more than enough without the dangers of injecting it
get plenty of sleep. don't masturbate every day. eat healthy (lots of leafy green veggies). lose weight. lift weights. exercise. have sex. be happy. your test will skyrocket.
the only reason you should be injecting test is if you have some crazy low level due to a disorder or something, or if you are a F2M.

This is utter bullshit. As has been discussed at length in this thread, with deafening silence from those saying steroid use is dangerous whenever facts or citations are called for, steroid use is perfectly safe.

The methods you mention also have a negligible effect on testosterone production.

lmao are you seriously implying that if one has low test, they are (basically) stuck with that unless they take test?
you're saying that being in good shape, eating healthy, having sex and lifting weights is going to have a "negligible" effect of test? get the fuck outta here!

I used to struggle with the idea of taking test to get the perfect body. Somehow in my mind I fooled myself into thinking that having more muscle would fix the underlying problem of simply not loving myself.

I never said anything about steroids, I am aware of the reasons why steroids and other medications are given IM. The point of my post was to call out someone for spreading shitty broscience medicine.

reminder that test is barely a real roid

Responded to wrong post.

Did you ever learn to love yourself?

if he did do you think hed be on fit

t. guy who is a few weeks into his first cycle. Or has been cycling for a year tops

Come back when your 40 and in need of a heart transplant.

>I dun give a fuark zyzz lyfe breh

Bet the future you doesn't agree breh.

Don't you feel like doing this is cheating? I'd be really disappointed in myself if I was so insecure to do shit like that. You haven't worked for it, you've just taken the easy path. Says a lot about your character.

Enjoy your gains you insecure faggots, shame they don't mean fuck all, everyone can tell you are roiding and don't respect you an ounce.

2/10 bait, you might get some replies.

This isn't a contradiction, do you not know what a contradiction is?

This will is not a contradiction
This'll is a contradiction

what pisses me off more than anything is when roiders pretend like they're natty.
"Oh, I guess I just have really good genetics, haha". I don't even care if you use, good for you, just be honest and open about it for fucks sake.

upvoted for visibility

Any dosage is pretty dangerous. Even very low doses of test will cause any man to be producing at least 2x the amount that a young healthy 20 year old produces.

The body isn't meant to handle that amount of testosterone. It can have a negative effect on most systems in the body.

You're probably riding high because you've took the dive and finally started using test and have thus far noticed no negative impact. That doesn't mean they don't exist or are exagerrated.

It's your choice to keep going but serious roiders know and accept the risks. They don't pretend they don't exist, because they fucking do m8.

>not taking fenugreek for max test gains

>mfw 2 guys on my team at work roid and criticise my natty progress as if they don't realise how much of an advantage roiding gives you

The dumb fucks are just taking oral steroids though (constantly, not just to kick start their cycle) so goodbye to their livers.