A place for discussing all things vegan ethics, politics & health
Meat consumption is ruining the environment. - Pollutes rivers - Forests cleared for livestock - Causes soil degradation - Massive inefficiency - Major contributor to global warming.
The most common and well known argument is the argument from marginal cases. Loosely speaking, the argument contends that animals as sentient as retards should have the same moral status
Morality is relative - Science, logic, mathematics are all based on axioms that are not proven, what is different about morality and moral axioms? Think this argument through before arguing for it, it is not as simple as you think. (most philosophers are moral realists and believe moral propositions can in fact be true)
Meatcucks please realise the difference between normative ethics (what we ought to do) and descriptive ethics (what beliefs do people have). Normative ethics is what is being discussed with regards to veganism and morality.
e.g. - people should not eat animals for x reason (relevant normative claim) - people eat animals for y reason (irrelevant descriptive claim)
How fucking retarded are you meatcucks? Can you read? Can your tiny cancer ridden brain not understand the original post? Jesus, you brainlets are fucking pathetic. kys
Ayden Evans
lol this
imagine if we could absord tren from eating meat
Brody Ward
Vegans never fail to farm at least 10 (you)
Great bait as always.
Landon Perez
Meat has chemicals that prevent cancer such as amino-acids. Please do research before posting.
Parker Murphy
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Luke Parker
Potato increase gut permeability like gluten does, there are pubmed studies on this google it. Maybe if you dropped them, your IBS would resolve.
White basmati rice and Bok Choy are great.
Noah Edwards
>pus cells This is by far the faggiest vegan tactic. Ey, OP, you have pus cells in your dick, right now. And you're full of shit too.
>acidic protein that leeches calcium from bones lmao
Julian Garcia
Whatever you say, meatcuck.
Michael Evans
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Anthony Hughes
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Thomas Howard
This is not true. Vegetables have a lot of water inside them. Because of water pollution you get bacteria inside you so you get sick. Us normal people eat amino-acids so we live longer.
Josiah Stewart
Several amino acids actually cause cancer, making high-protein diets unhealthy. Those are Arginine, Methionine, Cysteine (anti-thyroid) and Tryptophan (increases aging in general).
Joshua Mitchell
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Christian Green
good thing im not a woman
Michael Reed
take the test
Jason Rogers
>Maybe if you dropped them, your IBS would resolve. when i first got ibs. potatoes was the only thing that didn't trigger me. i'll try the rice out
Jaxon Smith
Show me a SINGLE statistic where meatcucks are healthier than vegans. A SINGLE ONE
Austin Hill
yeah all that stuff triggers me :( besides spinach and tato
Christopher Richardson
Aging is good actually. You get wiser with age. And amino-acids do not cause cancer. They have ACID in the name, so they contain acid which means they kill the protein of bacterias.
Jason Gray
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Nathaniel Russell
>great I just need to eat 0.8kg of pumpkin seeds/day
Levi Collins
It's evolution. Cows put lactose in the milk so that other organisms don't like it. But if you are a human you can drink because we are smarter than cows.
Sebastian Gomez
>falling for the protein Jew
Meatcucks are pathetic.
Asher Kelly
GOMAD
Leo Carter
>not understanding evolution >"we can drink milk because we are smarter than cows"
>this is the intelligence of meatcucks Pathetic
Camden Martinez
Listen, when I eat protein from animals I use them so I become more simillar to animals who can think, so I become smarter. You eat veggies that can't think so their protein makes you dumber. It's basic logic. I am German.
Luke Brooks
can't argue with a german
Alexander Nelson
Yup, Einstein and a lot of scientists are German.
Ryan Ward
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Brandon Sullivan
Is normal milk better than soy milk in terms of muscle building?
I'm reading that soy milk contains "incomplete" proteins while normal milk contains casein and BCAA's, thus the latter being better for mass. Is this horseshit?
Camden Moore
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Alexander Sanchez
Nope. Real milk has complete proteins, meaning that the proteins in milk are enough to build muscle with. In many plant based proteins, they’re incomplete proteins, lacking a couple of the essential amino acids required to be complete and thus allow for muscle growth.
I’m a purely biological standpoint, all else excluded, you would build muscle faster with real milk than soy milk, assuming it wasn’t enriched in some way with the remaining amino acids.
Ryan Lopez
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Ethan Reyes
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Luis Kelly
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Gabriel Davis
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Adam Allen
Thanks a lot.
Too bad milk makes me break out so I'm keeping it soy based. What can I eat to comensate these "lost" amino acids?
Jordan Bennett
>meatcucks enjoy this disgusting """food"""
Thank you for proving vegans right, yet again.
Juan Powell
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Tyler Jenkins
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David Johnson
>soy milk contains "incomplete" proteins meme
>Is normal milk better than soy milk in terms of muscle building? No, milk harms you more than it benefits you.
Ayden Miller
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Angel Brooks
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Michael Morgan
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Jordan Foster
>eating these innocent nutbois
Monsters.
Lincoln Stewart
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Jason Walker
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Jacob Bennett
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Jacob Gutierrez
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Asher Barnes
>Causes emotional and physical suffering for cows
Bentley Robinson
what i always love to see is when vegans make this decision about not eating meat because it kills an animal.
Well if you value all mammalian life equally, then consider this: killing a cow to harvest it's meat, well a decent sized cow can produce about 500lbs of meat, that's enough to feed LITERALLY 1000 people for 1 day
The harvest of cash crops kills entire ecosystems of rodents, insects, predators who feed on rodents and insects, the pesticides have lasting effects on both the environment and humans.
So you claim to value all life equally, but the lives of mice, foxes, hawks, grasshoppers ect. they are worthless to you?
Such inconsistent logic can only come from a brain lacking in essential nutrients.
Levi Myers
I bet you would love having a fist shoved up your ass with semen and killing your children.
Nicholas Gray
You just look at what acids soy milk is allegedly low in if any and compensate by also eating foods that are high in it. For example, pinto beans are low in methionine, so I be sure to eat broccoli or rice which are high in methionine. I'm sure all the other veggies I eat (tomato onion jalapeno salsa) rounds it out too. It's not something you need to worry about if you're eating a decent range of food.
Jayden Barnes
I'm not a cow, in fact I am a human which is why I'm smarter than cows and can cheat nature to obtain their milk.
Dominic Brown
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Jaxon Sanders
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Eli Scott
You're why we're not colonizing Mars right now, vegan brainlet.
Joseph Reed
ditto
eating outs now MMMMmmm milk is gr8. I can feel the Ca getting in my bones since I know basic biochemistry better than OP also.
>tfw getting thicc strong bones >tfw free growth hormone >tfw karma means I will get milked soon too
Fuck Id pay even more considering the benefits.
To OP who is probably a mere woman, you know that all those "impurities" only make immune system stronger? Well now u do. Yeah milk makes u produce mucus you have that. but with little milk now and then u can only help urself.
Water has none of what u mentioned, yet a human could survive solely on milk much longer than on water. What now? Water is bad?
First of all LAMO Second - KYS m8
Aaron Gomez
Vegans have a higher IQ than meatcucks. You are literally killing the planet, costing billions to the health care system and cause harm to innocent beings.
Aiden Price
Vegans all have small dicks and deep pussy.
Why not be vegan and stfu, why force it on others? eh? YOu are niggers of the world.
Josiah Cook
I know meatcucks are more interested in dicks than in health, morals and money but why can't you shut up about eating your rotten cancer corpses? This is a VEGAN GENERAL, MEATKEKS FUCK OFF!
Charles Diaz
I vote meateaters kill off all the vegans and therefore effectively shorten ur life since we all know noone is stronger than meat eaters.
All that "pure" food will make your liver fragile and weak.
Toxins in right amounts are gr8 for resiliency of human. I bet u even take preworkout u pussy kid.
Asher Turner
>Vegans have a higher IQ than meatcucks.
Correlation =/ causation
We are all killing the planet, by going vegan you might reduce 20% of your emission, but only if your food isn't sourced from an exotic faraway land.
Jayden Myers
Vegans are stronger than meatcucks.
You already get a hearth attack when you try to stand up with your 600 lbs bodies.
Carter Howard
Been thinking of veganism long before it took over here but are you guys memeing or not? What training regimens do you guys do? Feel like everyone from reddit and sjws affected this board without increase in knowledge.
Jonathan Collins
In a few weeks, I'll finish my dox on you and I'll start actively ruining your life. You've been warned. Leave this place and don't come back. Stop poking the hornet's nest
Colton Cooper
Nice try dairy industry exec
Mason White
As if I'm afraid of meatcucks
Juan Fisher
>mfw 160% DEATH
Eli Myers
>a glass >300 kcal Half a liter of whole milk is 300 kcal, no fucking way an American glass is twice the size of a European one.
Christian Price
How do I roll on this image?
Justin Lewis
I'm Becca
Cooper Price
>that image
lmao vegans are so retarded.
Lincoln Hughes
whenever it's not specified, it's your post number mod (choices) it this case it's 43590646 mod 6 = 4 => Debra
Logan Parker
Using stupid condescending callnames for omnivores isn't going to make people any more vegan. By calling someone a 'meatcuck' you're just making sure they're going to take a defensive stance on whatever the fuck they're currently doing. And you can't argue them out of that state, it's an emotional response. Be better than that. Also, stop posting those meme ridden 'milk is literally liquid superaids'-photos. That shit's fake as fuck and stupid.
Angel Sanchez
The "vegans" in this thread aren't vegan
Jayden Russell
>great just 10kg of potatoes a day to get all the protein I need
Austin Moore
lmao poor rob can't hunt shit with his bare hands oololololol what a faggot
Jackson Cox
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Wyatt Sanchez
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Jaxson Nguyen
>protein shake >vegan
Oliver Perry
...yes user. Good English. Good boy.
Andrew Hernandez
Veganism is a needlessly restrictive diet, there is no reason not to consume moderate amounts of meat. And abstaining from animal products leads to some key micronutrients deficiencies notably vit b12.
Yes you can powerlift/bodybuild on a vegan diet. Is it inferior? Ostensibly yes.
Tyler Garcia
B12 is the only essential nutrient you can't get from plants.
There are tons of reasons not to consume meat. Estrogen, cancer, heart disease, acne, etc. Literally the top 14 causes of death in the US is caused by meat and dairy.
Vegan diets improve testosterone by over 15%. Much more for certain individuals. It's not that vegan foods increase it, but milk and meat reduce testosterone.
Phytoestrogens in soy also lower estrogen, improving the hormone balance in males.
Joseph Jenkins
>er hat's verstanden mein neger
Ayden Edwards
>pasta
lmao nah, i'm on a cut breh. enjoy your shit vegan physique, soyboy
Jordan Price
Could I have the discord link? I'm interested.
Dominic Sanders
Wrong in so many levels. The study showed that estrogen in milk does jack shit in humans and mices, while phytoestrogend and xenoestrogens have an important one
Thomas Diaz
I work in elder care, those extra 6-10 years aren't worth it.
Andrew Reed
this. i also do drugs and drink excessively
we're here for a good time, not for a long time
Blake Garcia
>Milk and meat reduce testosterone kek 1. There is only one study that indicates vegans have higher test. There are other studies that indicate equal or lower amounts of test. 2. The more reasonable conclusion is that vegans eat less junk food and are physically active than your average meat eater, promoting more testosterone production. 3. That OR, it could just be that more total test is produced because vegans have more SHBG which reduces the amount of free test (supported by the fact there was no statistically significant difference in free test between meat-eaters, vegetarians, and vegans in the study you're referring to).
BTW, there are no experiments that show that vegan diets improve testosterone, just a observational study comparing vegans, vegetarians, and meat-eaters. Confounding variables were present and concluding a vegan diet will IMPROVE test is disingenuous.
Ryan Phillips
>what is greentext newfags pls
William Collins
>top 14 causes of death in the US is caused by meat and dairy >in the US
There you have your answer. In Germany (and other major parts of Europe) the meat isn't filled with toxic chemicals and anti-biotics. Being vegan won't prevent early death if you live in the US