/FAST/ Fasting general

Is that light years distance or what?

Pink salt is a meme. Regular salt, NaCL, is 58.44g/mol. Sodium is 23g/mol. 39% of the mass of salt is sodium. 1 tsp of salt is roughly 5g. 1,950mg sodium.

great op

Hi /fast/,

Have been doing 16:8 for 6 months now, amazing results.

Thinking about extending my fasting period to 1 meal every 2 days(48 hour fast) for better results.

Does it work? Will my gainz be affected?

Fuck your mother if you want fuck

I'm pretty new to fasting, done a couple of 3-day water fasts and am planning do go for 5 days eating 1500 cals/2 days water fasting for a while to drop about 20 lbs.

I used to be pretty fat, so I have some stretchmarks and stomach skin is loose when I pinch it. Does autophagy actually help with this? Any tips for speeding up the transition to autophagy? I've heard black coffee and cardio give you a boost, but I have a feeling 2 days isn't enough time for real results in that regard.

>Does it work? Will my gainz be affected?
you might actually have better gainz because eating like that boosts HGH

i cant fucking stop binge eating ever since i attempted PSMF 4 months ago holy fuck please help me

Don't drink coffee during a water fast

>tfw kicked myself out of ketosis
kill me

or did I? My piss was crystal clear. Literally looked like normal water. Could it fuck up keto sticks test?

IS COFFEE AND TEA OKAY TO DRINK DURING A FAST OR NOT?

What did you eat? If you've been in ketosis for a while and didn't binge on carbs. You'll be back into ketosis very quickly. People who do keto with carb cycling go out of keto when they carb load in the morning and are back into keto by afternoon.

>why CICO is bullshit
Yeah, I'm totally gonna believe some faceless average guy who makes clickbait youtube videos over the advice and experience of thousands of bodybuilders who follow IIFYM or CICO.

I have been in ketosis since start of month.
I had 2 kebabs (just meat and veggies + bit of yoghurt sauce,threw away the bread),tuna in olive oil and a bit of saurkraut salad. 10 hours after eating this my ketostix still showed ketosis.

>trusting retarded roiders instead of scientists
:thinking:

ofcourse CICO is important but if you think thats all that matters then you are retarded

brainlet here
what does CICO and IIFYM stand for

calories in calories out
if it fits your macros

CICO= calories in calories out. consume less than you burn and you'll lose weight
IIFYM= If it fits your macros. consume macro-nutrients in proper ratios

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So IF is a 16 hour fast. But before I even knew what IF was I always skipped breakfast so I would always go 13 hours without eating every day. Does this still benefit my health the same way IF does but in a lower rate or is 16 the minimum?

>IGNORE AVOCADO POSTS

benefit was that your insulin was lower(if you didnt snack between meals)

otherwise no,16h is already baby tier and barely offers you any other benefits

what's the min fast time for non babby tier

threadly reminder to do your dry fasts

what a load of shit. how could you possibly come to that conclusion? Minumum of 16 hour fast to get the effects, are you serious? 15 hours and 59 minutes, bah fucking casual go die, 16 hours or go fuck yourself.

cico is somewhat retarded
try making it withouth nutritients, fiber or eating shit in general, even if ur calorie goals are met
it doesnt work. cico is damn retarded as hell

23/1
dont half ass it

I got 10 days off at start of december. I might do day 7 HARD dry fast cause I will just stay home and play shitty vidya games

The vast majority of natural physique competitors or natural bodybuilders or natural powerlifters or at least the ones that compete in natural federations count macros or calories or at the very least have some sort of energy balance measurement.

No one believes CICO is all that matters, you're attacking an argument that isn't used by anyone.

>it doesnt work. cico is damn retarded as hell
It does work, if you have a diet that isn't retarded as hell.
2000 calories from fat is not metabolized the same as 2000 calories from protein, but if you have a balanced diet that isn't overloaded in any macronutrient counting calories is a very good way to measure energy intake.

>WHY YOU SHOULD BE DOING KETO
I swear to god these pseudo scientific youtube videos are so cringe.
While you are trying to min max your hormones like some sort of autist, chad is getting bigger and more vascular than you while eating pizza.
Why? Because carbs literally preserve mucle proteins and stunt muscle protein breakdown during periods of fasting or lack of protein intake. Human body doesn't want you in a state of ketosis, specially in a chronic state of ketosis. Reason why populations in the artic who have "ketogenic" diets have never been found to be in ketosis, because it is literally unhealthy for them to be in ketosis due to chronic fatigue buildup and the hit it has in hormones particularly in women who reached puberty. It is not only NOT HEALTHY in humans but it also has never been the natural state of humans besides periods of famine.
I mean for fuck's sake hunter gatherers in the artic literally have built up a resistance to ketosis after thousands of years of living in conditions that only allow them to have a high fat very low carb diet BECAUSE IT IS BETTER TO NOT BE IN KETOSIS.

STILL REFINING THE FAT FAST, CURRENT PROTOCOL

Day 1 700 CALORIES PLANT BASED KETOGENIC DIET AT LEAST 40% OF NORMAL CALORIE INTAKE SPREAD OUT THROUGH OUT THE DAY NEVER GO OVER 12 HOURS OF NOT EATING
Day 2 800 CALORIES PLANT BASED KETOGENIC DIET AT LEAST 40% OF NORMAL CALORIE INTAKE SPREAD OUT THROUGH OUT THE DAY NEVER GO OVER 12 HOURS OF NOT EATING
Day 3 800 CALORIES PLANT BASED KETOGENIC DIET AT LEAST 40% OF NORMAL CALORIE INTAKE SPREAD OUT THROUGH OUT THE DAY NEVER GO OVER 12 HOURS OF NOT EATING
Day 3 800 CALORIES PLANT BASED KETOGENIC DIET AT LEAST 40% OF NORMAL CALORIE INTAKE SPREAD OUT THROUGH OUT THE DAY NEVER GO OVER 12 HOURS OF NOT EATING
Day 4 800 CALORIES PLANT BASED KETOGENIC DIET AT LEAST 40% OF NORMAL CALORIE INTAKE SPREAD OUT THROUGH OUT THE DAY NEVER GO OVER 12 HOURS OF NOT EATING
Day 5 800 CALORIES PLANT BASED KETOGENIC DIET AT LEAST 40% OF NORMAL CALORIE INTAKE SPREAD OUT THROUGH OUT THE DAY NEVER GO OVER 12 HOURS OF NOT EATING
START OF ALTERNATE DAY
Day 6 AD LIBITUM FEEDINGS WESTERN DIET/MEDITERRANEAN STYLE, CARB LAODING
Day 7 500 CALORIES ANIMAL BASED KETOGENIC DIET AT LEAST 40% OF NORMAL CALORIE INTAKE ONLY IN THE AFTERNOON FOUR HOURS BEFORE BED
Day 8 AD LIBITUM FEEDINGS WESTERN DIET/MEDITERRANEAN STYLE, CARB LAODING
Day 9 500 CALORIES ANIMAL BASED KETOGENIC DIET AT LEAST 40% OF NORMAL CALORIE INTAKE ONLY IN THE AFTERNOON FOUR HOURS BEFORE BED
Day 10-30 REPEAT OF ALTERNATE DAY

USE SHIT LIKE COCONUT OIL IN COMBINATION WITH BUTTER IN COFFEE IN THE MORNING
>caprylic acid (C8)
>MCT oil (C8/C10)
>COCONUT OIL
>AVOCADOS

IT IS BASICALLY THE SAME SHIT IN THIS STUDY

>It also shrank waistlines and resulted in weight loss, both in total body fat and trunk fat, but not in muscle mass.
sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170216103923.htm

nope. there is thermic effect, metabolism and there is hormones into play. people eat retarded as hell these days. as in candy whitebread whiterice junfood and other processed shit. no way ur gonna get ripped eating that shit even if ur calorie restricted

MORE KETONES

>FFA availability and KB production. An increase in FFA availability augmented KB production not only by a mass effect but also by a diversion of hepatic fatty acid metabolism towards ketogenesis.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8896990

MORE AUTOPHAGY

>The autophagy-lysosomal pathway is involved in TAG degradation in the liver: the effect of high-sucrose and high-fat diet.
>LAL activity significantly correlated with ketogenesis in all groups
>Autophagy is stimulated under the same conditions as LAL
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20974050

>Ketones turn on autophagy
>Tissues that cannot use ketone bodies for energy respond to these small molecules by activating chaperone-mediated autophagy.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16815497

IT PRESERVES LEAN TISSUE

>Then, in the first 24-48 hours there is increased gluconeogenesis from amino acids and glycerol.
>Subsequently, ketogenesis takes over, and much of the body metabolic needs are met by ketone bodies and free fatty acids.
derangedphysiology.com/main/required-reading/endocrinology-metabolism-and-nutrition/Chapter 3.1.8/physiological-adaptation-prolonged-starvation

wtf i hate fasting now

That has nothing to do with fasting gtfo

NO SHIT RETARD WE TRYING TO HACK THE SYSTEM
PLS, FAT FAST RELEVANT

literally tell me why white bread is considered "processed shit" or why you can't get ripped eating it even if calorie restricted.

not him but it just comes down to cico

because white bread has the same glycemix index as white sugar, and when digested, it turns into glucose and is treated the same. its shit.

this isnt new info

DAILY REMINDER DON'T GET ((((FUNGED))))

There's one problem with the rationale behind fasting diets, according to David Lau, an obesity researcher, professor and chair of the diabetes and endocrine research group at the University of Calgary. When glycogen stores in the liver are depleted, the body doesn't burn fat: It breaks down protein. Lau said starvation will only burn fat as fuel after about a week of starvation.

"Muscle protein breakdown occurs in the first 24 hours of starvation," he said. "Muscle protein breakdown [is] not healthy."

His concern is that many people are fasting without realizing they may be losing crucial muscle mass. The danger is that as protein in the body breaks down, it could lead to other unwanted side effects, such as altered immunity. In order to fight infections, the body needs to produce antibodies, a type of protein. But when the body is breaking down protein for fuel, it may not send the right signal to make antibodies, Lau said.
theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/what-you-should-know-before-going-on-a-fast/article8461083/

Reminder to take cold baths or at least cold showers daily

>increases brown fat in body
>positive hormonal changes
>burns fat

dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2551644/Shivering-10-minutes-burns-calories-HOURS-exercise.html

jci.org/articles/view/60433?key=5e3684aee3d55b74adc8

jci.org/articles/view/60941

jackkruse.com/cold-thermogenesis-6-the-ancient-pathway/

Also drink your water cold.

Caloric intake is caloric intake. That said the amount is minimal in one coffee, some fasters add some coconut oil to the drink.

No suggar of course.

>body is so retarded that it will rather devour its vital organs than stored energy(fat) or even muscles
>body would rather kill itself than tap into its reserves

Sure

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT THE BODY THINKS, ENJOY THE WORMS AND HEART FAILURE

DAILY FUCKING REMINDER IF YOU ARE NOT FAT FASTING YOUR BODY WILL WEAKEN YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM

THEN THE PARASITES WILL START CONSUMING YOU.

youtube.com/watch?v=PjDVB7COQu4

> Worldwide, infectious diseases are actually the most common cause of death among starving people, because an immune system weakened by malnutrition tends to give in before heart problems start to show. This is particularly common among children who go on (or are forced to go on) long fasts.

THIS IS WHY THIS MOTHER FUCKER WAS SHITTING OUT WORMS THE PROLONGED WATER ONLY FASTING CLYCLES MADE HIS BODY A CONDUCIVE PLACE FOR PARASITES TO LIVE

youtube.com/watch?v=nh9oRN_TEIs

Strict water fasting is also a risk for heart failure because during a fast, the body’s intracellular stores of minerals vital for cardiac function, like magnesium and potassium, are depleted, even though serum levels remain normal. The results of this cardiac muscle loss and mineral deprivation can be tragic. During the 1950s and 60s, fasting was used as an experimental treatment for obesity, and several patients died (many from heart failure). Other reports of people dying during long fasts include more cases of heart failure. More recently, in 2010, a woman in Florida died after 21 days of fasting.

paleoleap.com/long-fasts/

What isn't new info?
Tell me word for word why white bread literally prevents one from getting ripped, when even retarded raw vegans manage to get vascular while eating nothing bur high fructose containing fruits all day.
All the carbs you eat turn into glucose, only fiber doesn't.

Both lies from you

It's rewarding!

Nice man!

>protein (in computer)
>protein (in real life)
so the computer is just lying huh
how do you even make this leap of thought

You can tell avocadofag is desperate when he has to resort to lying

1) refers to third worlders who drink shit water and when they eat they shit. Wont happen in first world or even countries like Germany

2) refers to retards who dont replenish their electrolytes

>Both lies from you

NEGATIVE,

40 hours fasting

Should I go for a walk? I lifted yesterday, or do i jog or do something else or should I rest

Doing OMAD So its come to my knowledge that most of my fat is under my chin, and my stomache. It looks like I'm 9 months preggo bros. Of course, i have been doing 23/1 for a month so I dropped fat and weight(255ibs--->235), but my stomache is still looking big. Super huge. I'm in construction currently and some days are chilling out, and others is intense labor.

My question is, should i do lifts(ppl)or cardio(couchto5k) to reduce the size of my stomache, or should I just wait it out until i reach a lower body fat percentage(36% currently) to even bother? Process is fast, on average I'm losing a pound a day.

If you survived workout you will survive walk too

Walk or Rest.

as much cardio and fasting as you can humanly handle without being stupid

cardio burns way more calories than weight lifting

Is it safe to work a warehousing job whilst water fasting? Have to push/pull 50lbs all day, so maybe workouts are out of the question.

don't push it or you'll faint. ease into it, consider IF

As longs as you have your salts you should be fine

WHAT HAVE I BECOME
MY LEANEST FRIEND
EVERY POUND I LOSE IS REGAINED
IN THE END

AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL
MY EMPIRE OF GIRTH
I WILL LET YOU DOWN
I WILL MAKE YOU HURT

Can you stop trip coding and shitting up the thread. Just stop posting already.

NICE REFUTING ANYTHING I SAY REALLY GOT BTFO TODAY

I did that and you ignored it

IT'S A BIT EARLY IN THE FASTING HOUR FOR MEEEEE
TO THINK OF ALL THE CARBS THAT I WANNA EAT
I DON'T BELIEVE THE RESEARCH THAT I READ
I KNOW I'M FAT SO WHY WOULD I REFEED

TAKE ALL THE ACHES
CUZ I JUST DON'T WANNA STAY
IN A NIGHTMARE FULL OF CAKES
I'M GETTING LEANER EVERY DAY

THESE A CRAZY DAYS BUT THEY MAKE ME LEEEEAN
TIME KEEPS ROLLIN BY

Snakeman has said that apple cider vinegar is great while fasting, but he leaves it out of snake juice because it fucks up your teeth.
So, how are you supposed to take it?

doing 16:8 IF and im down from 205 to 185 8). Abs are coming in nicely. I might step it up to 20:4.

Check his video on it

anyone has actually done a long water fast? thinking of doing one for like 2 weeks after i hit 2pl8 bench to cut excess fat (i think my bf% is like 15%). would that be enough to get me to 10% body fat? actually considering my TDEE is like 3K if i work out 6 times a week, which would mean that i would lose around 12kg in two weeks if i continue to work out as normal, which is roughly the amount of fat that i have in my body in total. obv that is not gonna happen, so is two weeks too much? perhaps i should aim for a week or 10 days or so?

drink all of it once per day and then gargle water so it doesn't stay on your teeth all day

same with lemon juice

Pour it into the back or your mouth like you would when you share a water bottle during sports

basically my advice in this thread has boiled down to JUST DO IT

when you're halfway through and thinking about quitting, then you can figure out what you wanna do

But a number of us have achieved results here

The rest are just armchair theorists and wannabe biochemists

alright sounds good, i'll likely do a 10 day water fast in early january. creatine & multivitamin & espressos w/ no sugar and cream are fine right?

yup, if you enjoy that go for it!! whatever will help you actually stick with the fast.

most purists and their followers are tearing their eyeballs out on day 3 trying to eat and drink nothing

also i miscalculated in the previous post, with 3K TDEE, i would lose 3 kg, not 6 kg per week. so i'd go from 81kg to 75kg in a two week water fast. assuming no change in muscle mass, i'd be around 8% BF after the fast... but is no muscle mass loss too optimistic? even with HGH and ketosis and everything?

>2) refers to retards who dont replenish their electrolytes

electrolytes don't replace thiamine, riboflavin, and vitamin K

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16928474

(Thiamine) Benefits. Vitamin B1 is a vital human nutrient that belongs to the vitamin B complex. It plays an important role in maintaining a healthy nervous system and improving the cardiovascular functioning of the body.

>cardiovascular functioning of the body.

you will lose mostly fat and only a bit of muscle. again my opinion is to not overthink it.

if you:
1) dont eat anything with calories
2) exercise moderately
3) actually do it for days and weeks

you will be doing better than 99% of this thread.

how much fat and muscle your body will burn precisely is not able for us to know. we can estimate it, but it mostly comes from fat.

we have studies where people lose 90% fat and others where people with organ failure lose 90% muscle while fasting.

if you dont have organ failure, which you dont, you will lose mostly fat

good luck and enjoy

you're literally retarded

takes months for your body to work through what you already have stored in you

please fucking go away

They are not vital and article literally says potassium. You also ignored first part.

Caugh you lying again

>and others where people with organ failure lose 90% muscle while fasting.
Where? If you mean avocado shit they are not studies. He is just shilling for various products

>takes months

>Other reports of people dying during long fasts include more cases of heart failure. More recently, in 2010, a woman in Florida died after 21 days of fasting.

>21 days of fasting.

A Therapeutic Fast for Lymphoma Resulting in Wernicke Encephalopathy.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26104844
>Wernicke's encephalopathy (or Wernicke's disease) is the presence of neurological symptoms caused by biochemical lesions of the central nervous system after exhaustion of B-vitamin reserves, in particular thiamine (vitamin B1).

yo what kinda glasses are those? they look sick

I posted a study 2 days ago I found on pub med

70 patients in an ICU with multiple organ failures were put on breathing tubes and acter 10 days of fasting were re-fed

from day 1-10 they lost 20% lean body mass as measured by thigh circumference

of course the supposed mechanism for this was that the body was catabolyzing leg muscle to repair their literally failed organs

these are the only people in my opinion who are losing noticeable amounts of muscle while fasting. people who are literally near death

everything else is just avocado shilling.

I tried 16/8 IF (no food after dinner until lunch the next day) for a while. It was easy enough to do but after couple of weeks my sleep quality was shit and I found my self anxious all the time. Zero positive results as far as I could tell.

Without any supplements and she was sick so what?

you probably never got into ketosis and didnt eat close enough to bedtime

>when you are in a cult and want to ignore logic

FUCKING HELL MAN SALT IS NOT GOING TO REPLACE OR PRESERVE MUSCLE TISSUE

LONG TERM FASTING IS GOING TO FUCK UP YOUR HEART AND MAKE YOU CRAZY

thats right

irish hunger strikers died 60-70 days into the fast. some went into a coma around 30-40 days. water fasting no minerals

none of us are doing that here. were lucky to make it 7 days before eating something and going back into it

alright good. i have one more question: should i do a 3 days of keto (70% fat, 25% protein, 5% carbs) + 16:8 IF with maintenance calories before so i'd already start off in ketosis so that the first few days would not be too hard?

>CICO is bullshit

Is just wrong though. FASTing is literally just CICO in it's most extreme form.

This needs rewording

Chad is never hungry, soyboy is fed with corn.