Keto seems like a much better diet for losing a large amount of fat. What I'm mostly concerned with is the muscle-sparing aspects of it. And I know you can just lift and you won't lose as much skeletal muscle, but even with lifting you can still lose other important muscle mass like in the heart.
I'm pretty convinced keto is the diet of diets at least for losing 100 pounds of body fat. But I'm open to counter arguments, new ideas, and general scrutiny.
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There is no observable difference in fat loss between keto and a regular diet that contains the same amount of calories.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
there is, however, a proven mechanics of the keto diet that suppresses your cravings for sweets and other calorie dense nonsense
considering you need to lose 100lbs it's probably a very good option for you
I find Keto to be really hard. I'm a fat fuck, I'm like one number away from being normal weight on BMI, however, I eat tons of trash and eat healthy at the same time. Keto, for me is really annoying since I gotta not eat wheat and some other basic shit that's practically on almost every meal.
In reality, any diet will do, just don't pass your daily calories and you should be good
Enjoy your ban dumbass kid.
Keto just teaches you to crave fat and salt instead. A healthy, sustainable diet is the only good option for weight loss.
Keto is perfectly healthy and sustainable and the only people that crave salt are diabetics.
As for craving fat... well, I've never had that.
since when has ass cheeks been nudity retard
>Keto is perfectly healthy
The state of ketosis is a medical condition with a wide range of side effects. The ketogenic diet at best is nutritionally inadequate and excludes 90%+ of healthy foods, and from what I've seen in keto threads, practically every meal includes meat and/or cheese and little fiber.
Sorry, but out-dated and biased information is silly. It's not even remotely difficult to get a nutritious meal plan comparable to a standard diet, especially when you consider so many of the nutrients needed in a standard diet are not needed in ketosis.
Why the fuck are Asian girls so ugly? I'm pretty sure this is considered a 10/10 in nip land
>prolonged QT syndrome
you got that right motherfucker
>not just drinking snake juice and fasting
I did keto for 5 weeks. Felt constantly tired, constipated, and did not think I lost anymore than I would have on a non-keto diet.
This is underage tier ass, fuck off OP
It's from a porn video, dipshit. There's a guy in the background getting a blowjob.
source
What is outdated supposed to mean and how is it possibly biased? They're observed and recorded side effects.
What foods did you eat in that pic? You cut that bit off.
>We are currently estimating your body fat at 51.5%
Hahahahhaha
>76 fucking grams of saturated fat, 810mg cholesterol
>51.5%
>Hahahahhaha
>losing 100 pounds of body fat
Reading comprehension, folks.
>saturated fat is bad
>cholesterol is bad
Outdated science, user. Go back to your studies done in the '50s paid for by the sugar industry.
>"Outdated science"
>muh 1950s conspiracies
Apparently the only way to pretend keto is healthy is to change the definition of healthy by rejecting mainstream science altogether.
These studies are not considered high quality evidence.
sciencemag.org
hsph.harvard.edu
heart.org
Here's a breakdown of one of those studies (which was funded by the dairy industry) so you can see how they're able to make a claim like they found no link between saturated fat and heart disease.
youtube.com
The rate of heart disease increased dramatically with the rise of vegetable oils, which are high in your unsaturated fats.
Explain this to me, user.
Stupid whiteknight moralfag, it's clearly a JAV you absolute shithead.
I had no idea unsaturated fats and saturated fats were the same thing!
Are you under the assumption vegetable oils are high in saturated fats?
Heart disease is multifactorial. Obesity has risen, sugar intake has risen, sedentary lifestyle is common, among other things. Even the link you posted points out that if you look at data with some attempt to control for variables, replaying saturated fat with unsaturated fat is beneficial. Replacing saturated fat with sugar is not beneficial. Replacing saturated fat with whole grains or legumes is beneficial.
No, it specifically says polyunsaturated fat, which means omega fatty acids. If you replace saturated fats with omega 3s you're going to get healthier results. This is well known.
I wonder what the health benefits are for eating assloads of omega 6s instead.
>No, it specifically says polyunsaturated fat, which means omega fatty acids
Of which Omega-6 is one, and the main one consumed by most people. When studies look at polyunsaturated fat intake, that is primarily omega-6. Both omega-3 and 6 are healthier than saturated fat, especially in regards to cardiovascular health.
You need them in a balance so none
I'm willing to give you saturated fat, I'm unwilling to budge on omega 6s.
It's almost impossible to eat enough fish to balance the sheer amount of O6 you can get eating "healthy" food. A single avocado has 5g of O6. 1 TBSP of EVOO has 1.3g of O6. You'd have to eat half a pound of salmon just to balance that avocado to a 1:1 ratio.
Who is eating several pounds of salmon per day?
Until there's real data on omega-6 being bad, you shouldn't have such a strong opinion that it's bad. The omega-3:6 ratio is mainly pushed by diet books, disregarded by mainstream science. The American Heart Association even put out an advisory paper going over the evidence.
circ.ahajournals.org
>Arguments for reduced LA intakes are based on the assumption that because CHD has an inflammatory component10 and because the omega-6 fatty acid, AA, is the substrate for the synthesis of a variety of proinflammatory molecules, reducing LA intakes should reduce tissue AA content, which should reduce the inflammatory potential and therefore lower the risk for CHD. The evidence, derived primarily from human studies, regarding this line of reasoning is examined below.
>AA is the substrate for the production of a wide variety of eicosanoids (20-carbon AA metabolites). Some are proinflammatory, vasoconstrictive, and/or proaggregatory, such as prostaglandin E2, thromboxane A2, and leukotriene B4. However, others are antiinflammatory/antiaggregatory, such as prostacyclin, lipoxin A4,11 and epoxyeicosatrienoic acids.12 Epoxyeicosatrienoic acids are fatty acid epoxides produced from AA by a cytochrome P450 epoxygenase. Epoxyeicosatrienoic acids also have important vasodilator properties via hyperpolarization and relaxation of vascular smooth muscle cells.13 Importantly, because the production of AA from LA is tightly regulated,14 wide variations in dietary LA (above minimal essential intakes) do not materially alter tissue AA content.15
So in other words, your body will make as much inflammatory O6s as needed, but will otherwise use it for healthful purposes?
Also, that part you have quoted specifically mentions linoleic acid, but what about other types that come from more refined oils?
Basically, yeah. Inflammation is a necessary bodily function, and just because something is involved in that function doesn't mean it only serves that function or that it must cause an excess of it.
>Also, that part you have quoted specifically mentions linoleic acid, but what about other types that come from more refined oils?
What do you mean?
Bad motherfucker
The absolute faggotry of the modern male
>What do you mean?
Is extra virgin olive oil's Omega 6 content as healthy as canola oil's?
Why wouldn't it be? Although canola oil has the benefit of omega-3, which are independently good, so you could probably say canola oil is healthier than olive oil
Ikr, they sound like a bunch of middle aged women with the way they carry on. Even my grandmother chuckles at how high pitched their voices have become.
Have you ever seen how canola oil is made? It's chemically treated, heat pressed, bleached, etc.
keto isnt better than any other high protein diet.
All the studies show it to be equal, or in some specific cases worse than other high protein diets with the same amount of kcals.
god damn japs are so fucking ugly compared to koreans.
i miss feelbrah posting koreans, fuck off jap faggot
>needs to loose 100lbs
>likes ugly japs
jesus man fucking BETA. KYS
lol of course it's hard for you not to eat junk. how do you think you became a fatass in the first place?
>other
Keto isn't a high protein diet. A "modified" keto diet is only like 20-25% calories from protein. A true keto diet is like 10-15% calories from protein.
Koreans literally need surgery to compete, fuck off samefag.
Not everything industrial is bad. You can find cold-pressed canola oil as well.
canola oil will give you cancer, retard. Just eat the fucking butter and coconut oil.
>not eat wheat
I understand they didn't go over context clues in the sped class, but try to catch up
Why is the girl on the right hidden? She looks much more attractive then the left girl
I consider Asians on the same level as pajeet tier ugliness, albeit better hygiene.
There are heaps of hot little pooettes
the majority of surgery done in korea is chinese and japanese as well as wealthy thailand people. try harder bro, actually you know what don't even bother just go fuck your ugly jap bitch.
No there isn’t. There really isn’t.
kek miss world 2017 is literally an indian girl fuck off pol
>everyone on Veeky Forums is /pol/
Actually probably true. Also miss anything has become nothing more than miss brown minority who is actually in the vast majority
Her name is Aoi Shirosaki and she is the most beautiful woman in the world
There were Miss worlds from India as far as 1966 before PC bullshit came into being. So fuck off pol
No your mum is when I felch her
I'm the dude who initially vouched for hot Indian chicks but pc has ruined the miss whatever and turned them into monkey grooming contests with hot stagewomen beside them.
holy shit this is her
I watched the show actually. i know GAYYY. but the girl was very talented and confident. Others were very meh. Miss france could barely speak english
A quick google search of her butehole revealed her getting BLACKED by BIG BLACK COCKS
I'd be surprised if she knew how to speak French
i thought Japs didnt do shit like that
You left out that really dorky looking girl behind them
No woman can resist it stupid gentile
back to r/cuckoldcommunity
prolonged QT can result in sudden death lol
if you don't get it treated you have around a year to live
the absolute state of ketards lmao
>sodium almost as high as potassium
This is how your blood pressure ends up at 160/110
Wow just went there. Hot!
>which are high in your unsaturated fats
>your unsaturated fats
>your
>Keto seems like a much better diet for losing a large amount of fat.
it just has you consuming less carbs, and carb-loaded foods are high in kcals like rice or pasta for example.
so by subbing those 100g of rice which is ~350kcals you can have a shit load of veggies for half or even less the kcals, plus leaves you more satied due to fiber and other stuff
just eat regular carbs or high carb when you lift and go low carb when you rest
I do 50/25/25 on training days and when I rest sometimes I go 10/50/40 , and yeah that's 50% of my kcals in fat, muh mackerels.
I know its anecdotal but I lost bodyfat when I cut out carbs whereas I wasn't just on a deficit
t. white/black fatty
if you have 3 groups and one overconsumes on protein sources, the other on carbs, and the other on fat the one that went on a caloric surplus on protein is the one that gained less fat
protein > carb > fat in that study
something to do with thermodynamic stuff
Ketards have been debunked for a while my dude. Get with the program.
Whole food vegan diets are the GOAT.
>Go back to your studies done in the '50s paid for by the sugar industry.
And the thousands of metabolic ward studies done since then?
God damn keto people are retarded.
Dietary cholesterol does raise serum cholesterol levels in individuals with healthy levels of cholesterol (
What is this site?
...
cronometer
Same but I'm convinced it was because keto made it easier to undereat, not because of the calorie count (in particular, I believe that carb-ridden food was generally much higher in calorie than advertised/estimated). I was also significantly less hungry on keto than on carb, to the point I sometimes forgot meals outright (whereas any attempt at cutting on carbs resulted in violent hunger that had obvious impact on my bodily functions, including focus and libido).
Any evidence keto isn't better for muscle-sparing vs. standard diet?
So far the only things gleaned from this thread are:
>eat vegetable and plant based fats
>limit saturated fats
>ugly koreans are better than qt Japs
salt is zero-calorie though so isn't that better than sugar?
This chart is unlikely to be accurate. It probably considers the state of ketosis that arises from under-eating, not from eating a keto diet.
Salt has its own effects on the body. Too much salt leads to death.
>>eat vegetable and plant based fats
Haven't seen anything about that in the thread.
So does too little, what's your point?
Pic related.
Nope, it's based on ketosis trials in epileptic children, where ketosis is actually useful. These are carefully controlled and monitored conditions.
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Then post the source instead of random pics retard.
not enougt salt, I'm literally not kidding.
Here's one
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
>The most common early-onset complication was dehydration, especially in patients who started the KD with initial fasting. Gastrointestinal disturbances, such as nausea/vomiting, diarrhea, and constipation, also were frequently noted, sometimes associated with gastritis and fat intolerance. Other early-onset complications, in order of frequency, were hypertriglyceridemia, transient hyperuricemia, hypercholesterolemia, various infectious diseases, symptomatic hypoglycemia, hypoproteinemia, hypomagnesemia, repetitive hyponatremia, low concentrations of high-density lipoprotein, lipoid pneumonia due to aspiration, hepatitis, acute pancreatitis, and persistent metabolic acidosis. Late-onset complications also included osteopenia, renal stones, cardiomyopathy, secondary hypocarnitinemia, and iron-deficiency anemia.
> 22 (17.1%) patients ceased the KD because of various kinds of serious complications, and 4 (3.1%) patients died during the KD, two of sepsis, one of cardiomyopathy, and one of lipoid pneumonia.
And that's under the best circumstances where people are being monitored and checked regularly by trained medical professionals.
did 2month keto after 6month regular 40/20/40 diet with 400kcal deficit - lost insane amount of fat during keto than before. imo short term keto mixed into steady regular diet is the way to go.
>KD
>No blood ketones measurement
>No diet description
Source is shit, nowhere near as good as this promo image.
With less insulin, your body doesn't hold onto electrolytes any more so you need to constantly be replenishing salt and potassium if you don't want to feel like shit. In high carb diets, salt's already being held on tightly, and the healthy range becomes lower and tighter.
>CONCLUSIONS: Most complications of the KD are transient and can be managed easily with various conservative treatments.
There's a burgeoning keto community that swears by the diet and has had long-term success. If there were serious complications, they would've been unearthed by now.
Just eat less you fat fuck.
Literally EAT fucking LESS food.
Ketogenic diets are less anabolic than standard macronutrient ratio diets, just eat less holy shit.
t. literal inbred
If Keto is a good or bad diet depends on your metabolism and how your brain/personality reacts to addiction. Craving carbs is in many ways identical to addiction of many other substances. You'll notice after a week or two with less than 10 gram Carbs/day.
If you can deal with that, I found that removing carbs can help combat hunger, due to removing insulin spikes that comes together with carbs.
Pasta, potatos, rice, together with water quickly forms a heavy goo to help expand the stomach, but is quickly processed and leaves the stomach "empty". Smaller meat based non-carb meals, can help keep your stomach contracted, which will reduce the hunger hormones released (ghrelin) as it shrinks. (Violently contracting stomach muscles may also induce hunger-pain for especially younger people.)
As long as you get the protein you need, I haven't noticed any difference in retaining muscle mass while cutting on low carb (
This is the curse of JAVs
