Take someone who trains compound lifts on a weekly basis- squat, deadlift, bench press, rows, variations whatever.
From a longevity and health standpoint- is this shit ACTUALLY good for your body? Compared to endurance fags who swim and run all the time, does lifting provide any real benefits to your wellbeing aside from looking aesthetic?
>Is being strong bad for you?
Srs. If you're jacked out of your mind with low bf% but your cardio is dogshit, are you truly heathy?
Define "truly healthy"
Then fucking run on days you don't lift. How hard is that to understand or do you need to create a bait thread every 2 minutes?! Jesus OP.
not having your heart explode before 60
Not really.
Powerlifting and bodybuilding on the level that these guys are talking about around here is the exact opposite of healthy.
It's a hobby that really isn't needed for long term health and fitness.
The guys in your pic have quite honestly traded in decades of their life and any comfort in their twilight years for inhuman athletic ability and muscularity right now.
That's just how it is.
So a smoker and alcoholic fatass is "truly healthy" because his heart didn't explode before he is 60?
>The guys in your pic have quite honestly traded in decades of their life and any comfort in their twilight years for inhuman athletic ability and muscularity right now.
Is that just because of roids?
healthier than fucking zyzz and rich pastrami that's for sure
No, it's not. It's actually pretty bad for you. Lifting will cause you to have terrible joint pain by the time you hit 50. Bulking and cutting is great for building muscle, but takes a toll on your heart. Most lifters also don't do any cardio, which prevents heart disease. Not to mention all the shit roids cause.
Yes and no
The only way they'd be able to do half of the stuff they are doing, to recover, to build the mass that they have, is with drugs.
And those drugs and levels of preternatural athletic ability shorten their lives.
Yes there are drugs that can lessen and repair the side effects, but in the long run...the damage to their bodies is kinda done.
You just accrue damages over time and cuts off days, weeks, months, and years of your life.
Hell, the last few years will be kinda hell for them if they aren't careful.
Not many guys and gals look towards the future and survival like Zane and Lalane and the others.
Lot of them just want to be the best or get big right now now.
You are fucking retarded m80
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Yes, very but it isn't perfect, so doing a variety of activities is always key, the same apply to non-lifting/strength activities. But by itself, aside from swimming in one aspect, against most of other non-lifting activity lifting/strength is better, the saving grace of swimming is the low level of impact, which in many other are very heavy, paired with the fact that on the long run any level of endurance training is bad for muscles, joint and bones. ITT people are giving all kinds of bad example though, i.e if you either lift like Ronnie/Eddie Hall/Ray Williams or you aren't truly lifting. The autism is real. If aren't competing you really don't have any business focusing at a single type of activity, because even those who are reserve some of their time to general training.
This is what I was thinking, if it's perceived to be so detrimental because the basis of the argument is that "you do not partake in cardio" then wouldn't doing a bit of cardio solve that?
a nice muscle shell shields you from injuries in your daily life
recreational bodybuilding and some cardio is probably the healthies. I personally like Bugenhagen-style pushing my limits more though, but it's probably not that good in the long run
>increased muscle mass
>increased bone density
>aging people lose muscle mass and bone density
>lifting is like anti-aging
You tell me
I'll tell you to shut the fuck up Lil bitch boi
>Is lifting an *actually* healthy activity
Not really. But sitting is worse, apparently. So if you have the choice...
Nothing
Someone tell me more about what roids do to you pls
Aren't you supposed to be constantly monitoring your levels of different hormones and compounds in your blood or w/e to mitigate negative affects
Live fast, die young
nvm found answer
Joint cartilage is like your teeth, it gradually gets worn away until it is gone, and it doesn't come back. Every time you lift something heavy you are wearing some away. Let's talk about your joints after a couple decades of lifting.
who cares about being healthy lol fag
have some fun in your life for once in a while
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On the other hand, strength training improves posture and prevents common age-related back problems. I don't think you need to train hypertrophy or squat 3 plates to get that effect though.
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WHO cares? Your body becomes weak and decays eventually. Your eyesight and hearing go completely but at least someone who doesnt lift has LE XD STRONG KNEES AT AGE 86
Yes.
Age-related sarcopenia (i. e. The loss of muscle mass and function as you get older) is lessened by having lifted weights throughout your lifetime.
This works in two ways: with a higher peak strength, the inevitable decline affects you less as you will die before it gets so bad you are functionally inept, and continuous weight training and exercise reduces irreversible nerve death of neurones infiltrating your muscles, meaning you can continue to effectively use the muscle you have when you're older.
tl:dr, lift weights throughout your life, you won't be the old person that needs someone to wipe their ass, or die when you fall over.
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>86
try 46
A bad deadlift can cost you years of living in pain. But, assuming you train properly, yes. Lifting develops a good posture and as you turn old, it can spare you retirement with chronic pain. It strengthens your bones which can crack easily when you're old.
runners fuck up their backs and knees well before anyone in strength sports
It depends. If you dirty bulk on cheeseburgers and pizza, then no you are not healthy even if you lift.
if you eat clean and lift, you will be healthy. ideally you want to do some cardio for heart health.
over-exercise and over-straining will literally break your body down over time.
The human body can handle a lot, which is how and why body building even exists at all. However with that in mind, the human body does not need to go anywhere near the upper echelon of conditioning and discipline in order to be as healthy as possible.
Exercising and fitness is a bell curve that is determined by diet and genetics. The secret is learning where your own personal fitness equilibrium is.
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Lifting can be extremely healthy. You need cardio also, but combined it's basically the fountain of youth.
However, there is a big motherfucking difference between training for your health and training for maximum performance. Just respect that.
No one here knows how to do that.
No one here even knows what that is
Anyone who even says that they want to get fit and look better and be able to maintain that forever will be inundated with retardation from powerlifting new lifters with 3 months of lifting under their belt and gear heads and shills.
Start a thread stating that you want a program that will help you get fit look good and can be maintained comfortably for the rest of your life.
Look at the suggestions and all of the retarded diehards that will pop out of the woodwork.
Roids.
Kind of, but everyone overdoes it and destroys their joints young with insane weight and volume. The amount you actually need to lift to stave off sarcopenia is incredibly light, if you're truly focused on long term health a bodyweight routine and lots of low-intensity walking is the ticket. Read "The Blue Zones" for more info.
just do yoga m8. yoga, chin ups, pull ups and bodyweight squats (40+) will have you in good shape for a very long time. maybe 45 minutes of the above a day and a good diet without excess of protein or fat (but adequate quantities of both) will keep your organs and joints in good shape. rest is up to your genetics and luck.
#broscience
What do you mean? I don't lift sorry
Weighing more, regardless of body composition, will have the same effect on your joints. Your heart will also need to work harder.
If you could only choose lifting or cardio, then cardio is much better for general health.
Either one is better than nothing.
Do you know who never says stuff like this? 50 year olds who have lived fast.
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No, muscle is actually WORSE for your heart.
Muscle doesn't burn any more calories then fat simply by existing.
It makes you burn more calories by making your body work HARDER to do basically anything.
That's one of the major ways you can tell if someone is on gear or not. High levels of activity and being energetic while having relatively high amounts of mass.
Also the outright ABUSE of stimulants and sweets is the main contributing factor to why there are so many obese people running around.
That's not even mentioning the entirely contrived efforts called fitness training that we undergo to provide synthetic stimulus to force our bodies to build and convince it to maintain muscle mass overall.
Yeah, but the kind of lifting pushed around here guarauntee's that you'll be too fucking crippled to wipe your ass or even walk later on in life.
But hey!
You proved you weren't a pussy to a bunch of losers and imbeciles online.
Yes, it's healthy.
> Following exclusions for prevalent disease/events in the first 24 months, participation in any SPE was favorably associated with all cause (0.77; 95% confidence interval: 0.69, 0.87) and cancer mortality (0.69; 0.56, 0.86).
academic.oup.com
>Muscle doesn't burn any more calories then fat simply by existing.
Yes, it does. Adipose tissue burns less than half the amount of calories muscle tissue does.
saying lifting increases muscle mass is bro science... nice to know
any type of regular exercise > sedentary
some types of exercises healthier than others
where healthier means lesser risk of chronic condition caused by regular exercise
tldr; anyone that tells you a life of exercise is unhealthy is probably an idiot
This. It's a lot healthier than sitting on your ass like 90% of people.
Just do it in moderation. Don't do powerlifting routines all the time because that will surely fuck your body up in the long run.
Running very long distances isn't healthy either. Don't run more than 5 times a week and try to keep it down to one hour
>training hard, staying strong, fit, and mobile
good
>juicing to the gills, training past your natty limit for years
bad
For the average person, hard daily work is beneficial, because it's how our bodies are supposed to work. More issues are caused by not exercising than by doing it.
But training to the level needed to be national/world competitive in most sports is detrimental to your health. Doesn't matter if it's lifting or endurance.
>X does a
>X does b
>Y involves loss of a and b among many other things
>therefore X stops Y lol!
that's not how it works
Four pillars of physical fitness/athleticism:
Strength
>capacity to move relatively heavy objects in space towards and away from you i.e. generate and apply force
Power
>ability to produce said force rapidly/explosively
Cardio
>heart and lungs able to oxygenate blood, and pump it around body to supply muscles and remove waste sufficiently for your body to express movement for a period of time
Flexibility/mobility
Joints etc able to move through sufficient range of motion, and be strong at all positions, so as to not result in overstress to any one particular part of the body during a particular movement e.g. shit hips = lower back or knees take strain of certain movements
There, cover those bases and you're the man.
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It will be fun to see what happens when we are able to replace it, I think there are a few forms of synthetic cartilage going through testing now interestingly.
But also if you think about it being obese and exceptionally heavy also wears on joints the same if not more than lifting so it could go either way.
Improper form and hurting yourself will mean even more pain down the road. use proper form and don't hurt yourself as things that bug you a bit when you;re young get worse over time.
When you're an old man your joints will hurt a little bit more than all the other old men whose joints hurt but that's about the worst
Pick my cotton, lil monkey
wrong
cartilage strengthens in response to stress just like all your other tissues. In fact, because cartilage doesn't have blood vessels running through it, it relies on movement and compression to move synovial fluid, so lifting is even more importan for cartilage health
the joints of old inactive people are worse than the joints of athletes because of this
>Don't do powerlifting routines
Four pillars of physical fitness/athleticism:
>Strength
>Power
>Cardio
>Flexibility/mobility
Crossfit - 4, Bodybuilding/Powerlifting - 0
Veeky Forums BTFO
except nowadays it's difficult to actually die without being agonizing for months with some shitty tube feeding and life support system
>Only post containing scientific evidence to back up claim
>Ignored whillst people discuss retarded bro science everyone is spewing.
I went for 2 weeks to pattaya and all the unfit old man looked pathetic. In the hotel I stayed there was an old dude, 64, ripped as fucked and that was kinda cool, because he still looked young and I guess the chicks had fun with him. Of course he had to take viagra.
Fucken oath user, I'll will surpass zyzz
t. rich Piana's ghost
Talking about "whats pushed around here" is pointless because this place is filled with constant contradiction to an absurd amount.
more like live with destroyed joints and constant pain past 40.
Le epic
and thus it was written
>who cares about being healthy lol fag
>have some fun in your life for once in a while
So what you are actually asking: "are roids healthy?"
There are many different aspects to the idea of ''health''.
Many lifters will be healthy in some ways but unhealthy in others and anything taken to the extreme will be unhealthy.
For example, lifting increases bone density protects against osteoporosis and makes you much less likely to fall and break a hip when you're older.
On the other hand, it increases the pressure through your joints and can contribute to osteoarthritis.
Overall I would say lifting and getting Veeky Forums is good for your health if you're not stupid about it.
If you're really worried then there are definitely additional actions you can take to make yourself FAR healthier than the average guy or the street or even the average guy in the gym.
>Cut down on red meats and (especially all processed foods or preserved meats) - a balance is important but oily fish and free-range chicken are generally better for you than steak
>Eat many vegetables
>Yoga or some other form of balance and flexibility training +++
>Regular cardio, a mix of HIIT and some longer steady-state work. A mix of forms is probably best. Careful of excessive running if you want to look after your knees. Social sports have their own unique benefits.
>Meditation
>Supplement with fish oil and other vitamins as required
Damn you youngsters don't hespect nothing
Get off Veeky Forums, Royce. You’ve got a seminar somewhere.
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>healthier than zyzz and rich pastrami
oh you mean the two guys that took excessive gear with medical conditions? great choice of people to make a fair comparison with
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>lifting is fun
lmao at your life
things with bigger mass die faster on average, and unless they're working out in their 60's, their body is going to atrophy into a giant blob.
>things with bigger mass die faster on average,
That is the opposite of true (barring cases where human breeding has pushed species to the extreme).
>unless they're working out in their 60's, their body is going to atrophy into a giant blob.
How?
Muscle doesn't turn to fat if you stop working out. They'll turn to giant blobs if they keep eating the same amount but that's it.
To add on to this point, look at this photo. The effect from lifting is similar. Which one do you want to be?
yes.
proper strength training reduces the risk of cancer, alzheimer, deterioration of bone density, etc. etc. etc. Once you hit 50, your body starts eating itself, starting out with muscles. But if you keep lifting, you won't lose it.
roguehealthandfitness.com
To add on to my point, notice the difference of the sizes of the bones.
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
finally.
Anons if we look to this highlighted post on the Bhutanese ox-rearing message board, we see and extremely rare and valuable species, the peer reviewed scientific report.
>From a longevity and health standpoint- is this shit ACTUALLY good for your body?
Yes, higher muscle mass is correlated with decrease in all causes of mortality. There is also something about grip strength and health and longevity. So yes, its one of the best things you can do for general health and longevity. I could give studies and shit but you can google that if you are really interested.
There are many instances of old people falling and breaking their hip so they get hospitlized and bed ridden for many many many months and they lose a significant ammount of muscle mass and they never recover and die from complications as a result of that.
It can of course be taken to the extreme so you fuck your body up.
Let's just all make a pact right now and kill ourselves when we reach 40, this way we don't have to worry about this stuff.
Who's with me?
crossfit is really great for all those things and being in generally good shape but community is shit and branding on everything is really ofputting.
>From a longevity and health standpoint- is this shit ACTUALLY good for your body? Compared to endurance fags who swim and run all the time, does lifting provide any real benefits to your wellbeing aside from looking aesthetic?
DO NOT SKIP CARDIO ENTIRELY, CARDIO HAS AN IMPORTANT PLACE IN HEALTH
+you can skip leg day if you are a cyclist and better for knees + high altitutee training if close to hills
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