Unhealthy to build muscle?

It doesn't matter how much is fat and how much is muscle. Just know that a lot of it is fat and it should be your goal to lose as much of it as possible in a sensible way by developing better life style habits. Eat less, exercise more both weights and cardio and stick to it. It will take time

TL;DR No shit I need to do cardio, but is what the doctor said true? I went to this guy about a sinus infection, not a nutritionist.

I have literally never heard that building too much muscle can somehow lead to heart disease because when I get older it will deteriorate into protein and clog my arteries.

All I'm asking is, is he full of shit? Is he right? Thats all.

Thank you. I am aware I have a long way to go. I obviously want to lose my fat as well. I just dont know if what my doctor said was true.

He basically told me to abandon weight lifting because too much muscle will kill me later in life.

The guy isnt a nutritionist, and I didnt go there for weight advice. So I'm conflicted over his instructions.

The thing is, being at that weight it is very difficult to imagine you at a healthy body fat percentage..
this being the case, obesity or excess body fat is highly correlated to a host of diseases and cancers including and especially cardiovascular disease.

do not abandon weight lifting, your doctor is wrong. it is an absolutely excellent way to aid in fat loss and overall health.

keep lifting, but fucking CUT, MOTHERFUCKER
CUT
KEEP CUTTING TILL THAT 400 BECOMES 300, THAT 300 BECOMES 200, AND THEN, ONLY THEN CAN YOU EVEN THINK TO CONSIDER BULKING

YOU FAT MOTHERFUCKER, FOCUS ON CARDIO BECAUSE CARDIO BURNS MORE CALORIES.

IT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAT STRENGTH TRAINING RIGHT NOW.

AND PUT DOWN THAT GODDAMN SPOON.
YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS, YOU STUPID NEANDERTHAL.

I never said anything about me being at a healthy weight. Make no mistake, I am aware I am at an unhealthy weight.

My question is, IS there really such a thing as building too much muscle?

I always thought building muscle would be good for me. I like the way my arms and pecs feel. My stomach is noticeably less squishy (save for around the sides) and I'm able to lift things I never could before.

Lifting weights makes me feel strong and happy about myself, and less like a blob.

I dont want to stop doing it unless it really is not good for my health somehow.

Top killers in the US: 1) heart disease 2) medical malpractice

The medical field itself is brilliant and amazing, but individual doctors can be very stupid. The simple fact that one person cannot specialize in everything, coupled with a god complex and narcissism which is strangely a common trait in doctors mean that you need to take charge of your treatment. Get a second opinion. Obamacare allows everyone to go directly to s specialist if they choose. Make an appointment with a nutritionist(not a dietician).

When was the last time you heard a doctor(or first year Reddit med student) honestly say "I don't know"? They got their head in the clouds and no dog in the fight. Take control of what YOU do with YOUR body.

you will only build too much if you take exogenous hormonal aids. in that case yes.

Thank you. Some legit advice. I will seek out a second opinion tomorrow morning. I didnt know Obamacare was an option for resources like that.

Sometimes, it doesn't matter if most of it is muscle. The heart still has to lug around 400 lbs. That will take a very serious strain on your heart muscle. Ever heard about big strong athletes dieing because of heart failure? Well... it's the weight and thermodynamics failing you. Not because you are mostly muscle.

This wtf op how can we help without a pic

GOOD ADVICE FROM THE DEVIL HIMSELF.

I wasnt asking for weight advice. I am well aware I need to lose weight.

My fucking question was about if what my doctor said was full of shit or if its true.

But it took everyone about 10 minutes to stop chimping out making fat jokes before we actually got some proper advice.

The fuck is the point of this board if only to insult people? Really. I'd go to /b/ if I wanted to be told I'm worthless and fat.

He's not going to cuz he knows he's a landwhale

100% bait. At 5'11 400lbs you are morbidly obese and your mobility would be severely restricted. You can't even squat, deadlift or bench properly. Everything you do is 1/5th of a rep, if you think you 'bench' 225 you're probably only able to do 155 full ROM. You have almost no muscle guaranteed.

You say you can jog, total bullshit. A 15 step shuffle isn't a jog. Stop eating literally everything in the fridge and see how you go at 300lb.

> OP wants advice
> doesn't give us the means to give it

Alright I'll try to answer this fully but the problem is that there is so much wrong with what your doctor said. Firstly forget about any concept of building too much muscle, if that is a thing you are not at risk of it and anyone that could be held up as an example has so many other things going on (drugs n shit) that it's a pointless comparison.
Now the idea that protein can blood arteries is nonsense, i don't even know where that came from.
Muscle loss is bad because you lose the benefits of strenght thats all. Muscle can break down so fast that it creates harmful toxins but that is either due to disease or doing crossfit neither thing you should have to worry about. Age related muscle wasting is done in a controlled manner that your body is easily able to deal with.

In summation your doctor is wrong and you should lift more weight

thought this was bait but seems like a legit question, so>deteriorate/lose their mass, it will create an excess amount of protein in my system which will clog my arteries.
sounds like bullshit anyway, but hes right that you should stop lifting. at that weight you could literally have a heart attack from lifting and even if you don't, it shit for your joints. start slow with cardio at your weight, walking or swimming should be your only options, just remember, progress is not linear. you should stick at a caloric deficit and get advice from a nutritionist if you dont know bout nutrition yourself, which im assuming you dont.

>newfag doesnt know all of Veeky Forums is like this

That is supposed to say the idea that protein can clog arteries is nonsense

Just show a got dam pic op i wanna see what a 400 person with only a half inch of fat looks like

more muscle will improve insulin sensitivity and calorie partitioning, not to mention overall quality of life.

your doctor is a retard. even if he was right to tell you to stop being fat.

I'm starting to think that OP lacks a Y chromosome because that kind of delusional justification is very common amongst female fats

bro you are in no position to question your doctor. You're literally 400lbs, you don't worry about anything other than losing weight,

Smart doctor lies to you about having muscle so you will go do cardio first.

Good guy desu.

>falling for this shit tier b8

if this is bait, he is doing a good job of playing it off.

you people are retarded, obvious bait

kek

put down the barbell fatty. squat without weights, thats 400 lbs already. we don't want you to die.

>Doctor said I should stop lifting weights immediately and do only cardio.

Your doctor sounds American and like a piece of shit. Weight training should be a staple in treatment of obesity for it's help with posture, insulin sensitivity, improvement of metabolism and it's relative safety and accessibility.

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>Less than half a fingernail's depth on my stomach and you can feel my abs right there.
Been in the same situation.

Good news: Your under-skin fat must be low. Bad news: You have lots of visceral fat. Google that. It's the fat inside your body, not directly under your skin (hence, you cannot pinch it).
You will get a hernia if you don't watch out. Be careful.
Also, your doc is right, do your fucking cardio.

>but is what the doctor said true?
No, but stop lifting anyway. Any lbs more is a huge toll on your heart.

>The medical field itself is brilliant and amazing
Nope. Google replication crisis.

Modern medicine is pretty much fake. You will realize this the more you learn about it (because, as it turns out, we have no fucking idea how a human works, how he gets ill and healthy again).

>Weight training should be a staple in treatment of obesity for it's help with posture, insulin sensitivity, improvement of metabolism and it's relative safety and accessibility.
Complete bullshit, btw.

I, too, am retarded. Do you seriously believe medication doesn't do anything?

holy fucking shit dick, don't worry about weights till you do enough cardio that you're down to at least 200, jesus christ I hope you're a troll.

Medication only masks symptoms. It doesn't actually cure anything.

You also don't take vaccines and the like?
Hope your detoxing shit gets you out of any health issue you have

It can 'cure' in the sense the problem goes away, it won't fix underlying issues.

Like high blood pressure. A fatty can take beta blockers to fix it, but if they don't fix their diet as well it's pointless. All of this is situational though and going through every medication would be silly.
Some fix shit, some mask symptoms. Some do a little of both.

There is a thing as building too much muscle, however not really possible for nattys. Either the doc thought you were on heavy amounts of steroids or he is confused about the natty limit. However being 5,9 250lbs+ IS ALWAYS unhealthy even if you are 10% body fat

fuck that bloatlet doctor OP

A REAL MAN WEIGHS ATLEAST 300LBS

Fucking pathetic

>400 lbs

This makes me glad I have had to work shitty labor jobs my whole life because it's pretty much impossible to get fat when I'm walking and lifting 10 hours a day, fat people are disgusting

>400lbs

Is it even possible for a human to be that large?

Your thinking is irrationally black and white. Not having complete understanding of how the body works is not equivalent to having no understanding. We are considerably further along than the ancient Egyptians who believed the heart, as opposed to the brain, was the seat of conscious thought.

That's an extreme example, but your statement is a) blanket b) an oversimplification and c) ludicrous.

Another example: every single person with insulin dependent diabetes would be dead prematurely without modern medicine's discovery of the synthesis of insulin - millions of people. You yourself would also have likely died during infancy without modern medicine's understanding of the importance of water sanitation to prevent diseases like cholera and typhoid fever. You may have also succumb to, or left with horrendous deformity or disability from diseases like measles, small pox, polio, pertussis, tetanus or any of the considerable range of previously common diseases that vaccination programmes have basically eradicated.

Your statement is bafflingly, stultifyingly ignorant.

LARGE AND IN CHARGE!!

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Your doctor is retarded, weightlifting is amazing for you and is probably helping you lose weight. If you're exercising and still 400lbs, the solution isn't "do cardio/more exercise", it's "stop eating so much". There's no way you can be 400 pounds without stuffing your face, that's what's going to kill you if you don't stop.

stop eating so much fatty. genetics did not make you fat shoveling greasy sugary shit down your face made you fat.

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If that's all you wanted answered, you could have just gone to QTDDTOT and asked "does muscle clog your arteries when you get old?" without the obvious bait backstory.

>The fuck is the point of this board if only to insult people? Really. I'd go to /b/ if I wanted to be told I'm worthless and fat.
Welcome to Veeky Forums. We literally have regular 'fat people hate' generals (don't worry, they're mostly populated by self-hating fat people trying to scare themselves straight, but it should still tip you off that you're gonna cop some shit).

Stop stucking youself full of 'za every night, how's that for advice, fatty?

Do not listen to "nutritionists." Ever.

Drs have real training, anyone can call themselves a nutritionist.

If you want help with your diet, talk to a dietician who actually has to have an education and be licensed.

Just do keto and keep lifting OP. You can do cardio like once a week or so if you want, but it's not really necessary. A lot of cardio isn't great for your joints if you're a fat, so choose carefully. Swimming is great. Biking is probably good too. You could probably get away with heavy-bag HIT too. Just be careful, your heart is already stressed enough from being a fat.

Your main focus should be to lose fat, and the best way to do that is calorie restriction. Keto is good for excessive fat loss because you don't feel so hungry.

>mfw I'm literally half your body weight

I have an MD from the University of Florida, home of Shands, one of the best hospitals in the U.S., where I did my residency. Understand this:

Doctors don't know SHIT about nutrition or exercise/sports physiology. They really don't. They have a weird cobbled together sense of some excesses that are bad for you and some things most people need to do more of, and beyond that the average person with an MD manufacturing an incoherent and unreliable personal mythology of nutrition and exercise/sports physiology.

Go to your doctor to figure out what's wrong with an organ system, or to treat diabetes/heart disease/other illness. They're good at that. But physicians have less expertise in nutrition or exercise than your average college age gym rat.

>I can feel tight abs no more than an inch deep if I poke my stomach
That's visceral fat my boy

There is a thing called visceral fat that is hard fat under the skin, surrounding your organs. Your abs lie on the outside of this fat, therefore between two layers of fat. Lose weight or die

I bet you visit chiropractors

Eh, your arguments weren't really against anything he actually said. A rock man? No.. A stick man!! No that's not it. Hay woman? Help me out...

Adding onto this, swimming is good for fatties, if you can swim that is. It won't hurt your knees like running will.

Jesus Christ fatties are so fucking stupid

>I expect actual advice, but all anyone has to offer is that classic Veeky Forums brand of venomous name calling.
that guy just offered you perfectly good advice though

>400lbs
>abs no more than an inch deep
Fucking lmao

Eat a vegan diet

Go on a cut you fat fuck.

Control your calories but keep your protein up.

I'd like to see you make it, and your progress, what you look like after you shed it off.
Maybe you'll grow the confidence to post your body at some point in the future. Swimming, heavy bag training, walking, and biking are all low impact exercises that will help you burn calories. Do HIIT cardio on an exercise bike.

Don't fall for the vegan meme.
Don't fall for the keto meme.

Look up what your ancestors ate for most of their evolutionary existence, and then eat that while training. The good news is that you are so fat that you will be able to lose a lot of this weight without exercise. But if you wan to lose a lot really fast, create a caloric deficit and then apply the same discipline you used lifting, to any of the low impact exercises I just mentioned. Also try some explosive training, medicine balls, sprints, etc, to keep your strength up. Keep lifting as much as you can while you do this. You want to keep as much strength and muscle on during the weight loss process. It's very easy to burn everything off and become a twig if you go too ham and too crazy with the diet.

Loose weight you stupid fatass.

Let's get started
>We are considerably further along than the ancient Egyptians who believed the heart, as opposed to the brain, was the seat of conscious thought.
Modern medicine is not able to locate consciousness, it is a complex enough topic, the brain might or might not contain or be part of "consciousness". Other animals have brains, but are they conscious?
>every single person with insulin dependent diabetes would be dead prematurely without modern medicine's discovery of the synthesis of insulin
And the majority of people wouldn't have developed diabetes in the first place with no standard western diet which metaphorically injects high glucemic index carbs straight into your veins.
>b-but muh genetic type 1 diabetes
Irrevelant, it's mostly on jewish "people" and would have gotten bred out eventually.
>You yourself would also have likely died during infancy without modern medicine's understanding of the importance of water sanitation
Eh, no, my dear redditor. Ancients knew very well how to make water drinkable by boiling and/or using copper or silver vessels. Let's let this one pass as you being a victim of the american educational system.
>to prevent diseases like cholera and typhoid fever. You may have also succumb to, or left with horrendous deformity or disability from diseases like measles, small pox, polio, pertussis, tetanus or any of the considerable range of previously common diseases that vaccination programmes have basically eradicated.
You mean stuff foreign to Europe? Yeah, nah, wouldn't have died from that, mate.
>Your statement is bafflingly, stultifyingly ignorant.
Ah, didn't know you were a fine cultured gentlesir with the utmost exquisite usage of those words. Consider my fedora tipped to you.

You're probably dieting and exercising all wrong bro
You should be on GOMAD and SS
After about three months you should be in way better shape, but also healthier
IF YOU'RE CONSISTENT!!!!!!

EZ

>I can feel tight abs no more than an inch deep if I poke my stomach

> confuses the abdomen lining, holding in a ton of fat, with muscle.

Enjoy your heart attack.

I have been there buddy. Like literally there.

Do Keto and lift, cut diet to 3500 for now and as you lose weight drop the calories to match. Losing weight is so hilariously easy once you get past a month it kills me I waited so long.

The reason you are mad at the advice here is because you are an addict, btw. Keto cuts out the things you are addicted to and suddenly you see your behavior for what it was.