Is anyone on this board willing to admit that having depression = less gains than if you didn't...

Is anyone on this board willing to admit that having depression = less gains than if you didn't, no matter how hard you try? Your non-depressed self could simply try harder than your very hardest.

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Duh wtf

Depressed people are inferior to normal human beings in every way I can think of. Literally lifelets

pain is your body's way of telling you something is wrong
depression is no different
fix what's wrong
no one else can or will

I actually gym harder when I'm depressed. When I'm not depressed I have things to look forward to, things that aren't the gym, and if I can't complete a set I tell myself "hey it doesn't matter it's ok you'll do it next time". When I'm depressed I fucking hate myself and that rage pushes me through that last rep or pr. idk man in terms of muscle gain/gains as a whole probably not bc my diet goes to shit and I drink, but in the actual gym I work way fucking harder.

If you can gym harder when you're "depressed," you don't really have depression.

exercise used to be a pretty good self medication for me but it's stopped working entirely

in fact I feel worse after a workout

Tell that to people with unfixable chemical imbalances. Did you get that advice from the back of a Kellogg's box?

one time I went to the gym and got into an argument right before I walked in

worked out hard as fuck that day

there's definitely something behind it

You're a retard. There's lots of people who use training hard as a treatment for clinical depression.

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people like you are the ones who accept their "fate" as a problem of chemical imbalance

I've been to the depths of hell and like the poster you insulted said, pain and depressing is your mind telling you something is wrong. Are you really taking every step possible to fix your life? Probably not

>unfixable chemical imbalances
Shut the fuck up faggot.
No one is born depressed. Depression is a symptom of a garbage lifestyle. Ask anyone who is depressed what their average day looks like, and they'll tell you it involved staying in to avoid all sunlight, nearly total social isolation, garbage diet, total lack of exercise, and just a general lack of self control in all things.
>im fat because genetics
same fucking meme, kys.

Is that Kevin Spacey?

Fucking the depression away

sad/angry me
>still go gym
>have time to prep meal and eat clean because no gf
>get enough sleep because nothing else happening in life
>can pump out a few more reps because it might fix things

>depression = less gains than if you didn't
Not necessarily, whats most crucial is the functioning of your dopaminergic system. If a malfunction of this is the cause of your depression you are fighting an uphill battle.

In medicin, recovery from trauma/diseases has been studied for a very long time.
It's a well known fact that a positive optimistic view speeds up recovery. Hence why "bedside manners" are considered very important.
Speeding up recovery is also an essential part of being anabolic and getting good gains while lifting.

So even if you're depressed, you should convince yourself the fatigue and soreness you feel in your muscles is them getting strong/huge as fuck! and be as happy as you can about it.
The optimistic feeling may spill over on other things in life, making them easier to deal with and reduce the catabolism from stress, anxiety and depression.

Are you? You're posting on Veeky Forums for Christ's sake. "Depths of Hell"... Probably more like "depths of an XL bag of Twix". You don't have depression. Prove me wrong.
Try using Google for once in your life, and you'll find out that depression is caused by chemical imbalances. Abraham Lincoln had severe depression. Do you think he was on his ass playing Fortnite Battle Royale all nigh?

broscience detected

you're the type of moron who thinks they're winning an argument because they're shouting the loudest

they have isolated many genetic expressions that cause depression

not to mention having to share the planet with people like you

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>don't do this; instead, do the same exact thing but with different wording

>people post on Veeky Forums, therefor they haven't had problems in their life
you have no idea what i've been through, why do you think I haven't had depression? do you assume people who go to the movies never had depression either? how dare they go to the movies, people who REALLY have depression should be like fucking dead or something
>prove you have depression
only an idiot would say this. regardless, you still missed the point that no matter what people with depression can actively improve their lives but many of them choose not to. i'm not saying depression isn't caused by chemical imbalances, i'm saying that people who are weak-willed choose to accept that as their fate instead of actively improving their life i.e you

yeah you're missing the point as well

I don't think you understand

when you have legitimate depression. positive things that happen to you don't trigger the reward system.
This is why from the outside people without depression look at a depressed person and say "of course he's depressed. he doesn't do anything but sit in his room on the computer". what these people don't realize is that the reason why the depressed person doesn't do anything is because nothing feels good. everything has the exact same neutral feeling. so why would you bother putting effort and wasting energy into doing things when they bring zero reward?

anyone who says "I used to have depression and then I did this and I got better" never had genuine clinical depression.

what? I think you misunderstood me, so let me explain further

I'm saying you shouldn't rely on working out as something that gives you confidence and positive energy but instead you should let your existing confidence and healthy mental energy push you in the gym

in other words, don't rely on the gym to make you confident, but instead rely on confidence to fuel your workout

does that make sense now?

>only an idiot would say this. regardless, you still missed the point that no matter what people with depression can actively improve their lives but many of them choose not to. i'm not saying depression isn't caused by chemical imbalances, i'm saying that people who are weak-willed choose to accept that as their fate instead of actively improving their life i.e you

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Good, continue to sit on your computer all day and argue about your depression. Progress!

I think it's you who doesn't realize that I was responding to OP:
>Is anyone on this board willing to admit that having depression = less gains than if you didn't
And less gains imply training still happens.

What you're discussing is a more severe state and yes, I've dealt with my fair share of such people IRL, and most of them can't muster up the strength to open a window and get a change of air/scents, much less exercise.

I'm a semi succesful musician with thousands of followers and and hundreds of thousands of plays on my music

but it's never made me happy

Depression ruins your MOTIVATION. Not your DISCIPLINE.
In order to go work out, you need the latter.
Would you have the motivation to do one more rep if you hadn't depression? Maybe. Does the one extra rep excuse your extra 50 kilos? Hell no.

>t.shining

@43946788
You haven't been through shit.

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Accept your fate and die fool.

There's no one in the world who fits any generic mold. Depressed? Chemical imbalance? Yeah, motivation is probably going to be difficult or impossible to maintain. But no one who is successful at anything waited around to be motivated.

You're no different than fatties who may or may not have a "chemical imbalance" so they accept being fat. Your biggest problem is you think somehow your circumstance is different, or more special than anyone else. Fuck off, take your fucking snowflake bullshit somewhere else.

I have had genuine clinical depression and I have to fight harder than a "normal" person to maintain a baseline positive emotional state but I did get better
here's a checklist
>exercise
>sunlight or vitamin d
>enough sleep
>enough NUTRITIOUS food
>enough positive social interaction

if you aren't getting enough of any of those things you will feel depressed.
like I said earlier, pain is your body's way of telling you that something is wrong
if you want me to seriously talk about my experience with depression and what I did to "fix" it I'll go into more detail

Fatties don't have a chemical imbalance. Clinically depressed people do. Go spew your brospirational bullshit to someone fucking dumb enough to listen.

Is depression an existential crisis? Just fits too well besides chem imbalance
>not motivated to do anything
>bored with life
>anxious about what others think
>mind not in sync with what you want, act on instinct
>spend hours introspecting on what could have been
>spend hours in delusions about hypothetical scenarios
>twisted logic from emotional memories
>medicine, even on low doses, make you sharp as day but wear off rather quickly leaving you sleepy
>bored with life
>bored with life
>bored with life
Ah fuck. Fuck that life desu

Alot of you faggots don't seem to know what depression actually is. It's not feeling sad one day about shit going on in your life, it's chemical imbalances, often genetic, that cause extreme apathy and negative thoughts all day every day.

>t.someone that actually has major depressive disorder and has to take meds for it.

>medicine

No.
You'll know an existential crisis when you see it.
Depression is just the black fog that covers everything. Everything looks and feels dull, not boring but like there is a grey film over all of reality, and your mind is sluggish and dead
And all feels are just this really bad feel.
Apparently people don't feel this way all of the time just sometimes.
Crazy right?

True. You'd get depressed if you don't start to push yourself to do the things that will make you feel a lot better.

Way to go, user. I had been struggling with the same shit. Excercise and vitamin D alone are enough to make me a whole lot better.

Definitely felt that for gray slog. Was diagnosed. But I still think depression's root trauma can be traced back at least in one patient, to find life not worth living. i.e there's not much worth doing

First off, fatties actually do have a chemical imbalance in their brains which is why obesity is linked with a ton of psychological problems

Secondly, you don't know what clinical depression is because you're not clinically depressed since you post on Veeky Forums, t.

I bet fat fucks are even less likely to be depressed than normal because they actually enjoy something in life, food.

there's actually no reason for me to live to be honest
i'm a functionally broken man and have nothing to offer anyone
but fitness keeps me going and in good enough shape to be there for the people i care about
and i like the small ego boosts from people giving me the once over

I sort of believe that depression is the body telling us to stop thinking and start doing. Because creating fixing helping others even planning oft help shines a light in the dark

the exercise and vitamin d part is on point.

still a downer but god those things made me feel so much better.

I'm genuinely not joking. I legitimately routinely punch myself in the dick

ippo?

what would happen if you constantly worked your arms and chest but never your back or legs? would you not look misshapen? would you not have a physical imbalance?
is it so strange to think that your mind might be imbalanced for a similar reason, which has nothing to do with genetics and has everything to do with years of improper use?
furthermore, is it possible to shape your mind and your thoughts the way that you can sculpt your musculature?

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I don't even know what your trying to say with this, but my depression was the kind where I went from a fit college athlete to someone so fucked up I couldn't hold a job or even get out of bed most days seemingly out of nowhere and for no reason at all. Then I saw my doc and he gave me a pill and bam I'm back to my old self no sunlight, being fat, or autism involved.

prolly a meme but i don't smoke weed, don't drink, barely look at porn, have a gf, good sex, sleep 8h+ a day, have good friends, quit vydia years ago, am forced to deal with people all day due to job, and yet i attempted suicide several times and am on meds+therapy for almost a decade now

also forgot to mention i exercise regularly, and eat junk food like once a month.

Also both my parents were severe heroine addicts to their death bed and that's the type of shit you only start when you've given up on life. So yea I believe genetics has alot to do with it.

That is true. The problem is every motherfucker who has a few days where they don't want to do anything immediately thinks they're depressed.

i have depression because i have a stomach disease that isnt curable. if i do anything ab heavy my stomach hurts like a mothafucker
water gives me heartburn. lost like 50 lbs already
im this close to ending myself

this is true

Yeah depressed people are just brainlets.

>be depressed
>the only time im not depressed is when im training really fucking hard
>make more gains than people on roids

Jokes on you OP, depression is the secret to real gains.

Why do people fall for the "depression isnt curable" shit anyway? Its just a marketing scheme from zionist pharmacies. I unironically used to be depressed until i gave up shit like porn and did better stuff. Pic related, its people who have (((depression)))

Youre probably depressed because you are so incompetant you cant even kill yourself after several attempts. Like shoot yourself in the head or some shit. Jump in front of a train. It cant be hard can it?

Shit someones been watching rick and mort.

I swallowed the red pill and made the mistake of saying something to my doctor during the "can't shut the fuck up about how the jews are ruining the world phase". He instantly gave me something for "Depression" and I took it for like 3 days. It made me feel terrible and cloudy-minded. I threw that shit in the trash and took it as a sign I was onto something. They keep people down using those meds. They are there to control people and keep them in line.

Depression is always a lifestyle problem.
The trick is just figuring out what's wrong.

Depression is lack of sleep and not enough macros

>anyone who says "I used to have depression and then I did this and I got better" never had genuine clinical depression.
Holy shit what an incredible way to discern whether someone has ever been depressed or not.
It's just that easy, just ask anyone if their depression has become more manageable. Did it? well you were never depressed in the first place!

Reading your post gives me the vibe that you're actually "proud" of being depressed or wear it like a fucking trophy.
You're an absolutely disgusting moron and the saddest thing is the fact that you will probably never realize it.

Big if true

So self harm to sort out your depression whew lad thats another mental disorder there.

get a better doc
my psychiatrist doesn't give out meds

The part about the purpose of the drugs is true. For example, ADHD meds cause permanent physical damage to the brain. The most curious thing about the prescription drug craze is that the ruling class has been looking for a chemical means to dull the populace for all of history (alcohol, March that timeline forward). The experiment is much louder now because the population craves that dullness.

>get a better doc
Not much choice in a small town.

Medications are out of control here in the U.S.
I don't take anything from the pharma jew, but most everyone I know is on at least 2-3 different kind of regular medications they take daily.

Yea, that doctor personally knew George Bush Senior. Stopped going to him after that and now I drive 45 minutes into the next town if I have to go to the doctor.

No. He was the president of The United States of America. He was the president of the United States of America during a very difficult proud of time. He was a man faces with real, true hardship. With alot of the country against him. Id say it'd be hard to find a president who didn't have some depression. You? You have everything. You have the means to get better. You live in a time in which anyone with any mental illness has the greatest capability to become the best person they can be. Stop your bitching and moaning about 'muh chemical imbalance', because if you actually knew anything about current opinions on the cause of depression outside your Wikipedia articles and webMD profiles, you'd know you're wrong. The current opinion is that we can't precisely pin point the cause of depression. Some believe it's due to inflammation from an unhealthy lifestyle, some believe it's caused by postural related issues, and, some believe it's a condition of modern life. I believe there are many causes of depression, and that rather than it being the illness it is a symptom. A symptom of poor diet, and of not enough sunlight; a symptom of an unhealthy lifestyle; a symptom of drinking too much or bring a drug addict; a symptom of bring a materialist; a symptom of having a chemical imbalance, perhaps your dopamine is low, or your seretonin, maybe it's your adrenal glands, or, what if it's your k2 opiode glands; a symptom of having the wrong perspective on life, the perspective of a motherfucking brainlet like yourself.

Could be because your mother probably fucked around with meth when you were in her womb, like smoking can fuck with lots of different things to an unborn child.

>Not much choice in a small town.
ehh i know how u feel. i had to switch between 2 gp's because this indian one just gave me pills all day no hope
found a nice female doctor who just moved in town and she doesn't give out adhd/depression meds unless you're legit psycho

my psychiatrist is 40mins away so i share your pain.
gl brother

hello nivkh

dont you have raids to do before next patch hits?

I actually totally disagree. I used to use lifting as antidepressant. It was so effective that I felt I had to keep lifting or I'd go rock bottom again.

It kept me going. Also suicidal tendencies is good for pushing PRs. It was a real turning point for me when I was squatting while depressed. Hit the limit and part of me thought 'fuck it. Just break and die then' and finished the rep.

>unfixable chemical imbalances
What, too much estrogen?

Probably true, started taking sertraline 2 months ago and wen't from training 3 times/week to 4-5.

Just so people know here, SSRI's lowers your test long term, so try not to take them longer than 6 months. I'm planning to take them to get through the winter and then go off them in the spring.

This.
If you have such crippling depression that you can't even function, then you should stop. You are a blip on a planet of a billion just like you. Outside of your personal microcosm, you have never been noticed enough to be missed.

Depression is 99% lifestyle
If you are depressed take a judmental look at your life and fix what is wrong

can confirm
metadosing vit D for a while and i feel much better and energetic.

Granted i dont want to see people and go out really but im looking forward to lifting everyday,and afterwards i feel good

also as a meme raw onions

Nice, keep fighting the good fight

You could just as well say that lifestyle is 99% caused by state of mind. I have been depressed in varying degrees since I was 16, 23 now. My mother, grandmother, grandfather and uncle also suffer from depressive disorders. My depression is never gone, it's there when my life is structurally great and it's there(although much worse) when my life is shit.

I lift to keep myself out of depression.

It helps maintain my mood and sleep schedule.

It means you are probably still lacking something in your life.

And it might be the most unexpected thing.