Firstly, incels disgust many people because they are male undesirables. People are descended from more women than men. Women are the reproductive bottleneck. Society doesn't want to acknowledge any areas of non-equality that run opposite of one of the main political correctness league table trends (women>men). When there is this laughable narrative being constructed in pop-culture where women were oppressed any counter-anecdotes are ignored.
Secondly, incels disgust people because they usually have ugly faces and most people portrayed in the media are attractive.
Thirdly, any attempt to reason in any way about incels is automatically an attack on the self-esteem of people because it attacks the idea of their successes being majorly down to their own hard work. Any acknowledgement of immutable genetic factors is met with incredible levels of just-world rationalising, even among left wingers. In fact, especially among left-wingers because this represents inequality that cannot be easily remedied through redistribution and increased government power, which weakens the moral case for redistribution and increased government power relating to other issues.
Fourthly, Veeky Forums wants to pretend that literature is the grand art form that touches on all areas of the human condition. Incels are not well represented in literature, especially not in currently when the literary gatekeepers are concentrated among women.
Fifthly, people are not very intelligent or well educated. This means that they cannot comprehend the existence of Pareto distributions. They assume normal or uniform distributions everywhere. Even on Veeky Forums, where 1 book out of thousands probably represents >20 % of book sales in some years, people are unable or unwilling to comprehend these types of distributions. Tinder has laid bare the Pareto distribution of male sexual success, the huge difficulties the median male faces, and the easy lives of females and top 20 % males.
Fucking hell /r/incels closing down was the worst fucking thing for Veeky Forums. R9k is meant to be your containment board, this is not the place for multiple reddit spaced paragraphs rationalising why you can't get laid.
Liam Cruz
Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong board, the literature board's two blocks down
Daniel Morris
CRINGE GTFO
Landon Sanchez
We need to give incels a chance imo. Everybody is somehow of use to society. They can't be the ones to gas.
>tfw gymcel >tfw tall, wide frame, big dick, zyzzmode physique after devoting more than half a decade >still a KHV it really is all about the face, fuck
Gabriel Brooks
First guy is just a autistic fatfuck, classic example of cryptobrad
Wyatt Davis
Dickhead OP, this is literally the most cringeworthy offtopic shitposting nonsense I've seen anywhere on Veeky Forums in a long time. Do yourself and the rest of the world a favor and become An Hero immediately. Delete thread on the way out.
Jace Allen
He's a creep who can't cut his hair, work on his physique or personality. Deciding you are a societal victim for that is fucking cringe. Its basic Darwinism in action.
Main thing for these people is coming off weird, threatening or offensive. Big things women think about are: "is this guy going to message me a million times a day", "am I going to get murdered" or "can this person make a good impression on my parents". These guys fail those tests spectacularly.
Jace Harris
How old are you and how weird do you interact with other people?
Henry Howard
22 and just laid back, sometimes a bit too quiet. I have a few friends and mates but no female friends really. Lifting since teenager years, I was more aesthetic than 95% of Veeky Forums at 17 after 2 years of natty noob gains+puberty
Parker Walker
>those tests They fail all of those. They look legit like serialkillers.
Parker Peterson
dude stop being autistic.
Ryan Green
also I: >have excessive hygiene, haircut once a month, always well-kempt >dress fashionable, but not exaggerated - like a male model would, form-fitting to accentuate physique >am well read, create music as a hobby, always look to expand my tastes but it's still hopeless
Lincoln Foster
Incels disgust me because they refuse to accept their own responsibility for their situation. It's always someone else's fault.
I'm a 32 year old khv, and I'm not bitter about it and I don't blame women for rejecting me. You can't force someone to live you, just like you can't really pick who you like. It just happens.
Make yourself better so someone will like you. I'm down nearly 40kg in 2017, I have new hobbies and interests that get me out of the house and interacting with people, and I feel better than I have in years. I know I'll find someone. Incels will just keep bitching.
Michael White
What's your history of trying to interact with women?
Precisely. They try and rationalise some great victimhood complex or malevolence in women when the women that reject them are just rational actors. One dude dresses like a fucking pirate. Dress like a fucking pirate no girl is going to want to be seen with you.
Ian White
Best of luck user! You have a healthy attitude and are making kickass progress so am sure you'll get somewhere.
Hudson Brooks
>history of trying to interact with women none, but there's no point of embarassing yourself if a woman doesn't make the first move, otherwise you're just seen as a temporary entertainer
Asher Johnson
Well that's it then. I'm pretty sexually fluent and have made the first move nearly all the time bar a few exceptions. I understand there is awkwardness over the ambiguity of what constitutes "making a move" these days but if you automatically shy away there is no point. You have to keep it cool and best represent yourself, talk with interest in them as a person (remember you are finding out if they are good enough for you too) but don't show your cards too early and put stake in one.
Grayson Bennett
>gymcel >gymvoluntarily celibate am I reading this right?
Owen Harris
Also dude you are not going to have as much success among genpop so don't look among genpop. You seem quite high operating and will probably be bored by tinder cringe and the generic girls that come with it. Find areas of special interest that has a community that will put you in touch with other women on the same level as you, then for them you'll be a catch. That's what I did and I'm engaged now to a miraculous woman.
Do you have anxieties about the initial sexual act that make you nervous?
Camden Ross
No, just like all the other Feels posters here incels assume by connecting their bullshit to a fitness word that makes it Veeky Forums related.
It means Gym-going incel. Fucking hell, they really do disgust me.
Landon Reyes
thanks for the autism translation, user
you are on your way to making it. self-reflection and not externalising your problems are an essential part of the journey to being a sick cunt. godspeed
Levi Ortiz
the thing that pisses me off the most about this "incel" thing is that it makes people who already denigrate virgins think that we are legit psychos like those "people"
im kinda like you, a 26 year old khv. im not angry about it or upset at anyone, i dont blame women for ending up like this. i wouldnt want to date/have sex with an ugly skinny weird asshole like me either. i do kinda fall victim to seeing shit IRL and on here about how relationships almost always turn out badly for the guy and think that relationships aren't all they are cracked up to be but besides that nothing else really
i already am considered completely pathetic for being a virgin at this age, i dont need people to pile on thinking that im some "incel" who thinks raping women should be legal
Christopher Collins
Not the same guy but this hits me well. What do you mean with area of special interest?
Matthew Watson
>caring about what other people think
Robert Brooks
Just stfu and kys already
Ryan Morgan
25 yo virgin 6ft2 210lbs 72.5kg db press no roids not kh no gf
Nathan Cruz
What are incels?
Hunter Young
this entire board is based around caring what other people think
but for the most part i dont care what other people think of me personally. the thing is when it comes to social stuff like this, i can "not care" as much as i want but everyone else cares.
being a virgin/not having relationships past a certain age, not having many friends, not having social media, these are all things that people will literally insult you or reject you for not having
John Reed
Area of special interest is just some activity/ideology/anything that brings people together in groups. If you are a conservative for example get involved with your local conservatives or join some groups, much higher chance of meeting women there who are ideologically compatible. Doesn't have to be politics though can be martial arts (Muay Thai is a really good one for female representation) or whatever. I'm a vegan and got to say the vegan community is a pussy goldmine, women meet you and then if you aren't super beta/weird/gay/cunt they will instantly like you. I'm a right wing vegan too which meant when I found my unicorn she was definitely compatible on so many levels and now we're engaged. What kind of things do you enjoy doing? Basically every interest has a community of some sorts, those are much better places to meet a SO than at parties or on tinder.
Jackson Evans
>I already am considered completely pathetic for being a virgin at this age
No you aren't. People don't know you are a virgin. It doesn't matter, that's the thing.
I have no illusions about my love life. I'm never going to smash random Tinder thots. If I can find someone who cares enough about me to have sex with me, eventually, I'm sure they won't care that I'm a virgin.
So why even worry about it, man?
A special breed of bitter virgin. They call themselves "involuntarily celebrate" because it shifts the blame of their virginity from their own weirdo selves onto the women who won't fuck them. Completely pathetic.
Grayson Rogers
>Pretty boys get women. Like your sound guy. Turn the camera to him hes like "yeah". First guy is at least kinda funny.
Brody Cox
*Involuntarily celibate (shortened to incel). Autocorrect is a bitch.
Kayden Ross
DUDE THe guy with the long hair is fucking hilarious
>i would fight the bloodiest battle in human history on the front lines and return with no limbs if it guaranteed me an ugly fat chick for life
Levi Hill
women automatically assume im someone they can mess around with if they decide to feel like it and they are giving me the time of my life for proccessing my value.
Liam Rogers
He's very entertaining, I love the bit where he stops and spergs about how he needs to talk fast to come off as intelligent.
I wonder if any of them have been laid yet. You are pretty hardcore into the incel life if you are in a documentary on it. What happens if you get some poon do you suddenly say goodbye to it all?
Hunter Gutierrez
I'm the "gymcel" guy. It's not as if I associated with thsoe beta fucks, but by definition I am involuntarily a celibate, and so are you. Sure it sucks to get lumped in with them, but that's a thing we have to deal with. It's not that I would lash out at women, it's just that I seem to have given up - I turned this disappointment into self-improvement throughout my life Of course, I am aware of this. I too yearn for a traditional relationship, but I am slowly losing hope. I am not looking for tinder sluts or sex at all, those needs can be satisfied by porn (as an emergency). Still, the need for affection is still there - I'm not depressed, but I am lonely.
And no, I wouldn't have anxieties about initial sexual acts (though I don't have experiences there to rely on). Sorry for replying late, I finished watching this movie: youtube.com/watch?v=UaIXUXdYthA I think it may be worth watching for people in a similar situation to mine, but maybe not you. Thanks for the nice words anyways laddo
Blake Bennett
i believe the problem with relationships is that in the past societal models non virgin women did not have the power to choose partners again and pretty much become parasites that leave working healthy men damaged emotionally and financially. Society now enables women to live this lifestyle without consequences
James Thompson
Thx user ill definitely do that
Kayden Rogers
Incel is a term adopted by a group of people.
Do you think normies use the term incel? They don't. Incels use the term incel. Virgins like us just use the term virgin.
We fit the literal definition of Involuntarily celibate, but not the incel mindset. I'd never identify myself as an incel. Who would lump me, or you, in with them?
On Veeky Forums we clearly behave differently, and anyone I know in real life who knows I'm a virgin either doesn't care or would never give me shit for it.
Cameron Jenkins
That would be pretty depressing if someone finally finds camaraderie in a group of incels, manages to get laid due to his new found confidence and then is rejected by his friends for not being an incel anymore.
Ryan Baker
Nw bro, you're 22 that's very young. Find yourself a nice traditional girl there are lots around for whom you'd be a great catch as long as you are kind and good intentioned (without being a pushover obvs). I'm very confident you'll do well and find someone special soon enough.
Good stuff best of luck user!
Thomas Rogers
Ikr? Was wondering that once you have invested in that as your social circle getting laid will be the worst thing, plus all your friends and confidants will be actively trying to keep that from happening and discouraging you. I mean from what I've seen of the incel community they seek to perpetuate their victimhood rather than help elevate and improve themselves.
Jayden Miller
> Everybody is somehow of use to society.
Joseph Campbell
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Charles Price
I don't understand? He has good intentions, he still wants to make society better despite not being able to profit from it. A real human bean
