Redpill: you gain 95% of your natural limit after 2 years of serious lifting
Redpill: you gain 95% of your natural limit after 2 years of serious lifting
Connor Moore
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Charles Ward
Yeah that makes sense
Dominic Lewis
not true
and even if it was true, it would only apply if you lift optimally and don't get injured, fucking around for 2 years doesn't count
Aiden Long
spbp
Owen Long
Nah
Camden Gonzalez
>has reached his limit after 2 years
>The cope
Asher Clark
2-3 years, yeah. Anyone debating this either doesn't lift optimally enough or has sub 2 year experience thinking his noob gains will last forever (painfully optimistic)
Kayden Hall
It's mindboggling how unhealthy some people are. But their mindset is the most fascinating part about it. I know people who talk about exercise like it is literally torture. It blows my mind.
>Yeah, my sugar levels are pretty bad
>You are about to be diabetic, who don't you start exercising a bit? Go for a jog, it's nice outside.
>Never, I prefer to enjoy life by eating disgusting trash food, smoking and not ever moving a muscle
>I don't want to suffer like you
I tried
Joseph Smith
MUMMY GIVE ME THE MILKIES NOOOOOW
Luis Clark
2 years is when those easy NEWB gains peter's out.
You can gain really well for up to 5 years if you don't mind being up to18% bodyfat and simply want to gain and maintain muscle mass.
But after 5years. It's basically a struggle to put on 1 pound of muscle a year.
But think about it.
1-5 pounds of real solid worked for muscle a year is huge.
It doesn't seem like a lot because it's not the instant gains that are just handed to you by steroids. But over time those gains add up.
Think of it as a long term investment into yourself. Yeah going to your/the gym/the park etc etc and not SETTING NEW PRS or GETTING THREE INCHES ON YOUR GUNS isnt' exciting as fuck. But over time you'll gain that life long unshakeable old man strength and a body that will show your efforts and will last you till you're old.
Levi Robinson
you better giv milkies right now
Bentley Cox
Picrelated is a natty I know that's been lifting for 10+ years and does shows. You like that after 2 years?
This is 5'11 175lbs btw
Jeremiah Kelly
Maybe in regard to the volume of your muscle mass however not the quality. You can further improve your body composition by getting to and maintaining a low body fat and in time your muscles get a denser and harder look. You can't fake that shit when you're natty as it takes time. You could use specific roids to achieve a similar effect much faster obviously.
Thomas Gutierrez
SERIOUS
FUCKING
LIFTING
Lucas Jackson
Yeah heard some one say to me just yesterday "Why spend hours torturing yourself every week when it can all be undone by a single frozen pizza?" Fat people logic.
Jonathan Gonzalez
please tell me this bitch gets naked for money
Lincoln Smith
Super obtainable after 2 years if you know what you're doing. If I got that lean I'd be 155ish after 7 months of lifting. Would just need 20 pounds of muscle which would be another 10-12 months
Daniel Williams
Stop coping
Andrew Reed
If this is true then my natural limit is very very very low!!
At least I have a good day distribution
Ryder Turner
Fat**
Jonathan Jenkins
>this
>natty
stop shilling yourself, mr. fake natty bodybuilder that no one's ever heard about
Thomas Johnson
Yes thats obviously natty
Asher White
newfag here. why is his gut a blackhole ?
Gabriel Jenkins
Let's look at the science
First of all, the most important, more than anything else, factor in gaining and preserving muscle is testosterone. This is simple fact. It's not sleep, it's not diet, it's not routine, it's testosterone. This is why untrained people on test make more muscle gains than natural lifters. Next, we have to acknowledge that testosterone can only maintain a certain amount of muscle. Have less testosterone? Your body will hold less muscle (see:girls), have more testosterone? Your body will hold more muscle (see:roiders). So, the question becomes, how long do you lift before you begin to reach the lb of muscle mass your natural testosterone can hold? Well, it depends on genetics, but as naturals there is a pretty clear range
bodybuilding.com
is a good guide
but for the most part, yes. After 2 years of lifting you will pretty much have sculpted your physique. At that point it's just small things, don't expect a massive physique change when you change your program/bulk. Don't even get me started on bulking. People gain 10 pounds of muscle a month when physically their testosterone levels will only build 1 pound of muscle in that time
tl;dr yes and no, i'd say 50% year 1, 80% year 2, 95% year 3, 98% year 4, negligible after that. Also 2 years is a great point to start testosterone. You push your body to its limits and can unlock new heights with a cycle
Xavier Moore
He's hitting a vacuum.
Carson Hughes
I'd imagine it's because he's natty, or at least not a major abuser of steroids. He doesn't have roid gut.
Alexander Watson
good post
after 3 years or so, the rest of muscle mass you gained is at most the stuff that was underdeveloped at an earlier point (i.e. you didn't train it enough).
Jonathan Ortiz
It's actually estrogen
The conversion of test into estrogen is what preserves muscle.
It's why naturals who want max muscle and muscle endurance need to be a bit fat.
The fat converts test to estrogen and the estrogen protects muscle and helps create endurance and maintains sexual function.
It's why men on steroids who crater their estrogen end up feeling like shit have no energy and can't function properly.
Connor Sanchez
Kathia Nobili she's my mom
Jack Hughes
I know right Pizza doesn't jump up and force itself down your throat you fat fucks
Charles Rodriguez
bros...
why did you tell me... They took another one from us.
Owen Fisher
cool a year and a half to go
Robert Young
didn't happen
Brody Watson
Best post I've seen
Aaron Rodriguez
Why does this post trigger dyels so much?
Connor Parker
Oh mama
Charles Sanders
te amo mommy