/srg/ Shadowrun General- Throwback Edition

The only one I saw with a seat number in () was the Krime Wing. And that one has the explanation on the page.

It seats ten trolls, or twenty smaller metahumans. If mixed, trolls count as two seats against the normal max of 20).

He was given citizenship in 56 and elected in 57, wasn't he?

A bunch of them have weird things. For example, the Phaeton has 2/8 seats (which might mean 2 up front and 8 in the back), the Armadillo has 2/4, the Hauler 4/4, etc.

Meanwhile, pic related on pg 65-66 has 3(10), and I've no idea what that means. The Krime Wing has troll-to-other seats at a 2-to-1 ratio, so this doesn't fit with that.

Is there ever a time when you'd rather use a called shot than just deal damage? Taking the previous whip loli as an example, let's say she's doing 13P with the whip at -8AP and hits the accuracy of 7, we're looking at 20 points of physical damage. The max DV of called shots seem to be 10, so you'd effectively drop half the damage of your attack to do a fancy called shot.

Of course you'r attempt a called shot if you wanted to subdue instead of killing outright, but if killing you're after, I'm not sure it makes sense to go for a called shot when you can kill someone in one hit through flat damage otherwise.

Thoughts?

>5th day of 16th month
Jesus nigger, fake much?

>burgertime

You mean clapisclock?

Shit, wrong image.

So, /srg/ I gots a question. Or, rather, a gross incompetence that I'm hoping you can clear up. I'm running a decker for the first time, and horrific layout of of the Matrix rules section aside, I think I have handle on most of the basics

But I'm getting perplexed about how to handle files stored on other devices. Files stored on Commlinks are kind of the default case here. Only devices can be part of a PAN(or I have misunderstood and files are always part of a PAN and only devices count against the limit of a PAN), so are files just kind of floating around the PAN in a weird halo?

Likewise only personas and devices can run silent, so if a commlink full of files is running silent, is it given away in matrix-o-vision by the cloud of file icons following it around?

Does a decker need to have marks on a commlink to see what files are on it? If he has enough marks on the commlink, does he need to mark the files?

tl;dr - I think I get how devices, personas files and similar work in isolation(or in a host) but how, for example, files behave when stored on an actively used device is throwing me for a loop.

In the case of the Minnesota, I think it's supposed to refer to the customization that the text talks about.

IE, if you put in the cabin with sleeper, it only 'seats' two (but in some kind of comfort) but if you leave it empty/as cargo then you can carry ten more people.

For the Phaeton, driver/pasanger makes a good split, but yeah. That should be more explicit. Somewhat the same for the Armadillo, but that one's section talks about how it has cabins for just about everything.

So the four would be either additional if you used the back as seating or total (again, should be explicit. I've seen six in the back of a truck before.)

The Hauler, it seems, is supposed to have room for four, and the back has setup to carry another four.

But as for the Vodyanoy my only guess is that since it's already downgraded to Squatter, 3 is what you'd get if you took amenities back up and ten is what you have at squatter.

Read the description. Usually there are just two variants of vehicle - cargo and passenger.

You can only see files if you can see the device they're on. You don't need marks on the device, just have to see it.

So if a comm or deck is in the area and running silently, you don't see the deck and you don't see the files (normally. They could be sending you a copy of the file while still running silent, but that's a bit aside the point.).

You don't need to have marks on the comm or deck to have marks on the file. The shakeout is like this. If you have a mark on the device, you can edit any of the files. If you were given a mark on the file (just about the only sane way you'll have a mark on the file and not the device) then you can mess around with the file, but do nothing to the device that requires a mark.

So basically it's like sharing a file on a fileserver. You have access to the file but no admin or usr access to the server. Basically like running a ftp server.

It is assumed that all files you don't feel like sharing with the wide world are in protected folder.

Passenger/additional passenger attachment (or cabin/seating area) makes sense as an interpretation, but the Omni Motors Omnibus just says, "Seats: 53". And it doesn't explain why some would be in brackets and some with slashes (unless your theory about Squatter pans out).

Damn it, CGL, would it kill you to have any sort of consistency or explanation behind what you say? Honestly I'm hoping that SR: Anarchy goes with a keyword system like 4e. I know people say it's boring, but by God does it make everything very clear, and RAW and RAI are practically interchangable.

>but the Omni Motors Omnibus just says, "Seats: 53"
And? It's a fucking bus, of course it has many seats.

Did you not read the first part of that sentence, user? If it said something like 1/52, then I would say, "Oh, this is clearly CGL trying to tell me how many seats there are up front, and how many are in the back." But it only gives the one number, despite splitting several other vehicles seemingly along those lines, which is infuriatingly unclear. They don't say what the slash is, and they seem to be inconsistent with how they use it.

Although, by technicality, in the case of the bus it should all be together.

I've yet to see a bus where there was an actual driver's compartment. It's just one seat up front, but all one big compartment.

Welcome to the third world of NYC.

Also, they mention that the Omnibus is also one that can swap out the passenger area for a high-capacity compartment, which would seem to rule out the "slashes are breaking up the standard and extra capacity" argument.

I think that what they're talking about for the Omnibus isn't a different compartment like I was talking about above, but talking about going from a Low amenities box to a Squatter box.

Granted, I'm just interpreting and making 'sense' of things (in quotes because there's not a lot of actual sense to be made), but a compartmented bus should be 1/52 if the interpretation I'm going with is close to right for some vehicles.

I generally assume the opposite because lol why would you do that but yeah generally it works the same general way.

You can "click" on someone's icon in VR or AR and you probably get all sorts of status information like their twitter/facebook feed and if they want to you can probably find out where they got those awesome threads and for what price so that you can just access amazon real quick and order a pair of jeans in your size. You probably also can see the spotify feed they are listening too and even download some music files to your personal account assuming you have a grid subscription.

You might even be able to see their public calendar so you can schedule a meeting or a lunch date pending them accepting it.

If they are DTF you can even swipe right and schedule a hook-up

I imagine most buses by 2050-2075 are actually remotely piloted or drone driven. It just doesn't make a ton of sense to have a actual driver when a drone and gridguide could handle 90% of the driving and you can just have a remote driver take over if the 405 Hellhounds are making the morning commute shitty today.

You have somehow missed the called shot designed for dealing extra damage: Vitals, in the core book.

The R&G called shots are intended for disabling/crippling, not killing.

I also am wondering this, but I would assume that the drone swarm rules have it covered.

are there any light/holdout pistols that can fit an underbarrel mod?

Found it eventually, Skillset autosoft can acheive this if you can sell your GM on it being Professional Knowledge skill.

Would a medium sized roto-drone be able to carry an average metahuman?

I'd say a hard no. If it was totally unencumbered, maybe a large one might get you off the ground, but one-man helicopters are a thing in SR for a reason.

Well you'd think aiming for a carotid artery would do more damage. But yes, I actually did miss called shot on vitals, thanks for that. However, I'm not sure +2dv is worth it when you can get more than that with those 4 dice you need to drop

>I generally assume the opposite because lol why would you do that
Because I value my privacy. And because CRB 222 says so.

Only drones capable of carrying Metahumans per RAW is dustoff and mule, they are both large.

What kind of deck configs do you guys run?

I think as a whole, you can't add any accessories on holdouts full stop. If you want a compromise on concealability, modularity and firepower, you go for a light pistol.

Then you agree with me. I assume most files are private and need to be implicitly shared.

I think you mean explicitly.

I've "aquired" an LEBD-2 with an enhanced winch.
Any idea what i can use it for, or am i better of replacing it?

Pretend to be a cop and using the winch to arrest criminals? You can't carry them away, but you can slow them down.

There's a drone in Bullets and Bandages that can carry people; it's meant for wounded, but you could probably modify it to hold you.

I think only heavy pistols can take underbarrel mods. I let my players mod their holdouts with internal and grip mods though.

Guess its time to buy a bountyhunting license

Yes that's what happens when I fire off a quick response without double checking my response

No matter the deck I typically run with Sleaze highest assuming it's a hostile grid or host. Then firewall the data processing and finally attack.

Data processing rarely needs to be elevated so I want Firewall in case of IC being triggered.

Having attack and sleaze at opposite ends means if I need to go hard I can swap attributes quick and go noisy.

Unless it's a shit deck I like running with an exploit program at a minimum.

Troll girls because troll girls. Just finished this one up.

Nice!!!
I love buff women.
(can you do an oni?)

We don't like your kind around here.

What metahuman/ethnicity combination would have the worst farts in the Sixth world?
My vote's for a UCAS /fitizen/ Troll who eats 40kg of protein powder a day - sometimes with creatine.

I like it. Is that a Casey Jones style ballistic mask?
she could be the troll that eats 40kg of protein powder every day

Normal config is high sleaze with Stealth, Fly on the Wall and Exploit and Overclocker set to Sleaze.

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Yeah, I've done an oni mage before. I'll work something up in a lil bit, it's lunch time.

Yeah, looks similar. Was going to be a helmet at first, but screw figuring out how that would work with horns.

Nice!!
I saw a lot of "petite" oni here, but very few real ones.

That's a good oni you posted, I'd run with her.

Quick question, before a session starts. Would magically assensing someone give their metatype? sr5 table says that it can discover technomancy, deltaware, gene therapy (5+ net hits) so is metatype not too far of a stretch?

I would argue that metatype is around a 2 or 3 net hits - 5+ net hits? You're golden.

Net hits? What are you rolling against when assessing?

The reason for metatype not being on that table, is it's obvious. Just like in meat, you can tell troll from a pixie, or human from an elf, unless they are faking it.

Would there happen to be any modifiers for a targets size when shooting them?

Usually it's a simple roll. There's some metamagics that make it not simple.

There are optional 5e rules for just that in run and gun.

Is there any modifiers for a vulpine shapeshifter?

Then why is that user talking about net hits? Is that user silly^

It's in run and gun, chummer, check for yourself and see.

Depends on whether she's cute or not.

Is there a way to make thrown grenades detonate instantly when it lands? My DM's a dick and likes to have the mooks sacrifice themselves to toss the grenade back every damn time I throw one. I know that grenade launchers have remote detonation - should I just stop putting points in thrown grenades and get a grenade launcher?

Motion sensor option on the detonator p181

Wireless grenades broseph. Embrace the wireless revolution.

That and punch your GM in the dick

Grenades can detonate wirelessly by default.

Yes, this means they can be hacked. Have a good decker.

Most likely. There could also be spells, but the ones that I immediately think of don't actually oppose as much as make it harder to see.

Honestly a solid commlink generally has a solid enough firewall to protect your gear.

That and I always assume that Gernades have a physical only safety measure so that you can't just "lolololol I blow up the Grenades on that guy's tactical vest chunky salsa time"

Air burst link and wireless, yeah.

Shouldn't be too hard to rig a contact sensor on grenades. Stay away from wireless, it's a bad fucking idea to open the possibility of someone fucking with your shit.

Thats the motion sensor option

What calibre are common rounds in shadowrun?
Holdouts .45
Light pistols 9mm
Heavy pistols 10mm
Assault rifles 6.5mm
Precision rifles 7.62mm
Or something.

Why don't machine pistols eat light pistol rounds per RAW?

Calibre are ignored in SR, maybe a /k/omando can make an educate gues.

Just only have wireless on when you throw it. Otherwise your just asking for bad things really. Is you have an unreasonable amount of grenades plus other gear to protect, you're going to have a hard time protecting those and everything else you'll want running wireless.

Hold-outs- .22
Light Pistols- .38 special and 9mm
Heavy Pistols- .45- 10mm S&W - .44 Magnum .357 Magnum .454 Casull
Assault Rifles- 5.56mm typically but in theory this also
Battle and Hunting Rifles- 7.62mm
Sniper Rifle- 7.62mm with some limited .50
Assault Cannons- 14.5mm with some limited 20mm
Shotguns- 12-gauge and 10-gauge

Some weird 5.7mm mixed in there of course. I assume that despite caseless being super cool in the 80s SR really doesn't do caseless because catalyst can't into guns.

Holdouts. 45 what? Maybe the palm pistol

Holdouts .38
Light Pistols 9mm, .45
Heavy Pistols .357, 10mm, 44 Magnum
However these are guesstimates and really the devs don't think about calibers

You actually have your choice of cased or caseless ammo in most cases.

Well I was going with .45 since it has lowest capacity and lowest damage potential of all pistol calibres.
>.45 in heavy pistols
Well if you double the case size and triple the powder, maybe.

>lowest damage potential
Im not a fan of. 45 personally but I don't think this is true at all

Yeah that shit's dumb, caseless ammo is cool but in general caseless has a huge number of issues that make it impractical. I could see polymer based cased ammo becoming more common though.

Really depends .45 ACP is definitely less powerful than a hot 10mm but both are pretty lightweight in comparison to shit like the .454 which I assume is what the Super Warhawk would use.

The result is that the Heavy Pistol category is pretty broad but let's be honest a .45 is still closer to a 10mm than it is to 9mm and .38

That being said I could see the .45 ACP being phased out because it's more or less garbage vs kevlar body armor. But honestly most pistol ammo would be garbage vs body armor especially anything with ceramic plating.

.45 is closer in size to heavier pistol loads, but low powder and heavy bullet result in a slow slug that basically pokes a hole and that's it. 9mm penetrates deeper and causes a more devastating temporary wound cavity. And you can carry more of it.

So grenades in chummer5 show up in your weapons, but you can't actually expend any of them? Am I doing something wrong?

I could also see a lot of runner using various subsonic ammo types like the 9mmx39 and the 7.62mm subsonic rounds because subsonic 9mm pistol rounds would suck balls at actually taking out an armored target.

Got to expend them in the gear section

How does shadowrun handle wireless communicators and hacking?

Often slightly better than people think of it.

As a for instance, anyone know what the difference between a cyber-arm with an implanted SMG, one with a shock hand, and one with a cyberarm slide is? Only one can be effectively hacked.

And hacking grenades generally just means that they won't go off, unless somebody's gone and done horrible things to it.

Maybe not what you were looking for, but first idea I had. Oni don't get a lot of love, so I'll probably be doing more later on.

Like a horny teenager handles boobs.Awkward, clumsy, and what the fuck did you do that for, pervert!

Aw, I fucked up. Should have named it 'horny schoolgirl bangs her classmates'.

>no flashbangs
come on....

She already threw them, obviously.