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Rolled 7 (1d20)

THE HORUS HERESY GENERAL

OP guy is asleep, post OPs edition.
Taking Isstvaan legions off the OP since russia gave us the Age of Darkness legions sub-edition.
LAST TIME ON DRAGONBALL HHG Someone asked about Power lances on command squads, people listed the biggest dicks of 30K and discussed the inner workings of Rogue Trader which led to the realization that the reason CSM still get a Sv after 10,000 years without armour maintenance is because Perty put tiny forts on their guns. Traitor rules for loyalist legions was hypothesised as was the reason for using Astartes to man walls. Someone asked what everyone gave their preator, the Sanguine Hairesy was invented, Angron is the reason Lorgar is bald and Erebus is /b/ for no reason AND MORE. Red Book Links:
www2.zippyshare.com/v/s15Jqk1t/file.html
mega.nz/#!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg
HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
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HHG FAQ - pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
Other official downloads: forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
HH Rules:
Crusade Army List: mediafire.com/download/1lprm5vd99yafa3/
Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
30k/40k Rules: mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): kat.cr/usearch/"Forge World" heresy user:epistolary/
30k Black Library: mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg

>Rolled 7 (1d20)
FOR THE PRIMARCH-PROGENITOR!
Post Imperial Fists.

Stupid question time because I'm too lazy to work out what book the answer's in. There are a growing number of few rites of war that specify you must be the attacker in missions with an attacker and a defender (IW Ironfire, DG Creeping Death, etc.). What happens if you and your opponent both turn up with lists using these rites? Do you just have to roll a different scenario, or is there a way to resolve it in the rules?

I have a question for you all. After six hardback Horus Heresy books from Forgeworld, which one would you rate the best? The Worst? Which one had the best content in it? The worst content? We talk about ranking the BL books all the time, but never the FW ones, and I want to change that.

Roll of and one person play the defender, there's nothing preventing you from actually being the defender except that single rule.

what do you guys think of tarantulas in mechanicum armies? i was thinking of having them in an Ordos Reductor allied detachment. maybe going TL lascannon?

Looks like the mega link for the mechanicum book might need an update.

as a follow up to this, how does the Targeting rules work for TL photon thrusters, pic related

Posted last thread but, Planning an BS Outlanders with the Reaver because teleporting looks cool, is there any infantry that works well with DSing I was thinking seekers loaded with combi-plasma would work like 40k Sternguard

Thanks, Uni for the summary since I was asleep.

Does anyone have good examples of Sons of Horus painted kn metallic green?

The same as Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons, except green.

>Thousand Sons
Wait for it.

When will the Dionbots make an appearance? When one of the traitors find a copy of When the Dinosaurs Roamed America?

Given the blight drone is now based on a mechanicum battle-automata, I wonder what an uncorrupted version of the dinobots might look like.

Incidentally, corrupted/possessed versions of all the other battle automata would be really cool. Especially vorax.

>46853915
Ah, my bad. I had a feeling I should've checked before posting

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I imagine those will come out eventually.

>mfw everything CSM have is HH derived and nothing has been made since then
>mfw 30k BFG will feature a loyalist planet destroyer

Shut up and take your Dinobots like a man, Brother Twinkletoes.

It's kind of weird how this one resembles a blight drone just a little bit.

yeah no shit

It's meant to be a pre-nurgle blight drone apparently

user, you do understand that soon they'll be our dinobots too, right? You get a dinobot, and you get a dinobot, and you get a dinobot. Everybody gets a dinobot!

Can I use the megadakka with them, and do have they have a soda dispenser?

Holy moley /hhg/ is being pretty slow today

to drum up a bit of conversation and stop us getting bumped off, what model's everyone using for their praetor? The models FW sell haven't got much going on, and they've got nothing for jump pack/jetbike/bike praetors.

I've got a few for what I want to run, mostly just a regular MK IV with whatever weapons, and I greenstuff the capes and decals I put.

Nice, what legion?

Post pics if you got em

>"or Dark Mechanicum it that's your metal bag"
>Because we absolutely aren't promoting tech-heresy by only pumping out traitor AdMech
>Srsly, we are the motherfuckers who invented Scoria.
>But maybe you want to pay Archmagos price for a Magos statline with Decima, we don't know. If that's your metal bag...

Alright /hhg/ explain this to me because I'm a fucking idiot.

How does the Primarch's Chosen RoW work? Do I need a Praetor/Delegatus to unlock the RoW first and fill the mandatory HQ slot and then buy the Primarch as a HQ choice or do I buy the Primarch and then choose the RoW which makes it a HQ to fill the mandatory slot?

I never realized I needed a combi-pillow...until I saw this. No, I didn't dream of it...yet.

Primarchs have MoL, so just use it. There's no definitive steps for list building/choosing Rites, so just do it all at once.

>When taken in this detachment, a Primarch is counted as a HQ choice instead of a Lords of War choice, and must be both the detachment's compulsory HQ choice and the army's Warlord.
How is this difficult to understand.

>pic related

no one?

This honestly does annoy me. FW needs to cut it the fuck out with making 30k versions of everything. Are we eventually going to get a 30k brass scorpion or blood slaughterer or decimator? A huge part of the reason I like the Dark Mechanicus is even if they are assholes they actually make new shit from time to time.

I'd say photon thrusters target vehicles, given they have the lance rule. I'd also say it's a typo and FW omitted it. I don't use tarantulas, and I know nobody who uses them.
As for me, I'm trying to come up with ways of using Typhon, but Morturg does it better.

>FW

BL, GW, everyone has to stop it. As I remember, GW already put the space wolf icicles into HH by saying their weapons were commissioned by Russ to arm the wulfen.

Have they put storm bolters into 30k yet?

Thread theme:
>m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-DmAh0dObI

>GW already put the space wolf icicles into HH by saying their weapons were commissioned by Russ to arm the wulfen.
So, SW will also have AP2 shredding at initiative?

Just a quick question, does Maru Skara allow you to use its abilities on a transport carrying a unit from another FoC slot? So can I shove a command squad in a dreadclaw drop pod and decide to have it arrive turn 2 alongside my palatine blades and seekers?

Also outside of of meltabombs is there any reliable way to kill vehicles in an infantry heavy army?

I am fine with that,
gives the Ksons attack on Fenris some actual creedence.

>Just a quick question, does Maru Skara allow you to use its abilities on a transport carrying a unit from another FoC slot? So can I shove a command squad in a dreadclaw drop pod and decide to have it arrive turn 2 alongside my palatine blades and seekers?
I'd say so yeah.

>Also outside of of meltabombs is there any reliable way to kill vehicles in an infantry heavy army?
Chainfists, lascannon/missile launcher heavy weapons teams, melta support squads depending on how prolific AC is in your meta, an attached siege breaker for tank hunters.

That's up to FW. I hope we at least get frost axes and swords. Ice beams and icicle I can live without. Even without wolf claws.

Besides, I think SW got that shit pure the same reason Harlies did, to make them competitive enough. Nothing like a small expensive army with tons of AP2 to make then more than fluff options.

A Flare-shielded ceramite-armoured Butcher-carrying slaps your tabletop. What do?

Except we already know the history of CSM ships. None of them exists prior to around M35. They were based on an entirely new design principle, not anything from the Horus Heresy.

I have never undestood the purpose of AP3 relics.

*Terminus Est*

Fuck off with that picture. Guy Haley is the most toe-the-line of all the BL authors. By his own word there is barely a thing he writes that he doesn't bring to have the higher-ups check it for. Yes, even the Black Templar stuff.

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Is a one of a kind vessel and not a ship of the line.

And just about all of them were made by the Imperium and then turned to Chaos. Or Chaos stole the plans from the Imperium. I think one of the escorts is an actual OC donut steel with xenos weaponry.

>it's ok, I was just following orders

Not quite. Poison ships were already a thing.

The entirety of the Despoiler class battleships was made with the Terminus Est's blueprints the Admech dug up after the Heresy.

So you're saying the CSM ship design didn't exist prior to the heresy until the Admech found them in M36. Glad to see you agree with me.

You rang?

It is a ship of the line, it's a battleship

A full chapter of destroyers is the only good chapter.

>Have they put storm bolters into 30k yet?
Know No Fear had them

Did you forge the part where it did, in the Terminus Est? It is a 30k era ship design, which just didn't get into mass production until M36. Without the Terminus Est we wouldn't have the Despoiler class.

But the bigger point is that Chaos didn't invent that ships class or pretty much any of the Chaos ships. More and more of Dark Mechanicum's inventions are just perverted versions of HH shit, not original works.

Outflank two contemptor Dreadnoughts each with a chainfist turn 2. Perfection and precision allow one to overcome any threat.

We sure the author just didn't confuse combi and storm bolter with one another?

Can't wait for late HH Mk8 armour. Maybe they'll find a way to put centurions in there as well. And stormtalons and ravens.

It mentions terminators firing storm bolters.

Either they were prototypes or it was multilaser-style fluff or a typo like when that dude wrote about some Primarch Rubinek and meant Chapter Master all along.

Pretty sure Mk VII and Storm Bolter have always been late-Heresy tech, no need to bitch

And the Land Raider Ares!

I'd accept that as an Achilles variant, though the 0 transport capacity is kind of shit

That's your answer to everything.

Mk7, yes, Mk8, no. And I've never seen anything mentioning storm bolters as HH era inventions as long as storm and combi-bolters have been two different things.

No They don't
They just shove daemon dick into stc stuff
They just have some stcs imperials don't have anymore

Yeah, I know Mk VIII isn't - sorry, that was a bit of alcohol-fuelled belligerence, something in the tone of the post rubbed me the wrong way.
But I do seem to recall hearing that storm bolters were a late-heresy thing, for loyalists, but I can't remember where I heard it and Lexicanum doesn't help

Works for everything

taunt them, and run back to my fortress and slowly grind them to dust in a relentless combination of attrition and artillery barrages.

as well as being unable to fire the heavy flamers, or hit anything ever with teh asscan
honestly, the land raider are is a retarded design and further proof that the DA are a bunch of scrubs

What part of the fluff for defilers, blight drones, dinobots, etc. states that they're just corrupted old Imperial designs?

Can't you PotMS it?

WINNER WINNER, IRON DINNER!

It's from before PotMS times, iirc

I think you could replace them with meltas?
But they're flamers, you don't need to aim, just fire

PotMS is old as fuck. There was a time it was a generic SM vehicle upgrade.

>demolisher cannon is ordnance
>makes every other weapon snap fire
>cant snap fire template weapons

M8 Horus rising - Horus teleports to the top of that tower and blasts the Bloke on the throne with a storm bolter
grimacing, perfect in every dimension and detail, suffused in radiance. So beautiful. So very beautiful.
For a moment, the god stood there, unflinching, beset by the gale of force, but unmoving, facing it down. Then he raised the storm bolter in his right hand and fired into the tumult.
One shot.

You can for the Assault Cannon, but template weapons can't be snap shot so if you fire the Demolisher Cannon you can't fire the Heavy Flamers.

That said, this wasn't a problem when the tank was first designed so it's a problem that subsequent editions have created.

Say, my Warlord trait can only affect Sworn Brothers, but what about asymmetrical alliances, where only one of them considers the other dude a Sworn Brother? Kind of like a "Sworn Sempai" if you ask me.
As in, I want to infiltrate those sweet 20-man Night Lord squads.

Blight drone proof is in this thread
Dinobots are just standard daemonic twisting
Via index chaotica-Strictly speaking, the body of a Defiler is not manufactured from anything new, for the obscure processes of the Warpsmiths reconstitute it from Warp-tainted metal wrenched from other constructs. The Defilers’ ancient slab-sided metal panels have been known to possess the runic signatures of ancient Forge Worlds that fell during the Horus Heresy, and of Tech-Priests who had turned traitor. It is said by those within the Council of the Ordo Malleus that many such panels, as well as other elements of the Defiler’s technology, are originated from Dreadnoughts, perverted by the hands of Chaos and distorted by the

>Raises the bolter.
>One shot.
>Not one clip.

In the FW books it's just called a stylized twin-bolter.

Yeah, I'm completely incorrect about that, I just found it's rules, it has PotMS

Who is asymmetrical?

user, you do realize we're talking about how before HH became a thing, none of the daemon engines were tied to HH and were Dark Mechanicum OC donut steel creations, right? And now that we got HH, suddenly we have to tie everything to it and make all the inventions just perverted Imperial designs, nothing original.

That's what people are talking about.

That's what I wonder, what part of the chart is the main army and what part is the allied force? It isn't specified anywhere.

Namely, Warlord Morturg (Death Guard primary detachment) trying to infiltrate allied Night Lords, whom he treats as Fellow soldiers but they look at him like a Sworn Brother.
But WTs can only affect Sworn Brothers and, technically, Death Guard don't consider themselves Sworn brothers to the NL. But honestly I don't know what happens there

Power of the Machine Spirit says you can fire one more gun at full BS than normally permitted. And at a different target. So you can fire the demolisher and snap fire the TL AC one way and use one flamer sponsons on something else.

Horus rising was released 2006
Mauler fiend was referenced in white dwarf and chaos space marine codex in 2012
Go suck a dick

user brings three Medusae and places some Interceptor Dread bodyguards, as well as an augury scanner nearby. What do?

Deploy free chain axes

>clip

Dude, go wash the sand out of your vagina.

>World Eaters
>Thousand Sons
>Sworn brothers

I thought the World Eaters hated psykers? For that matter I thought nobody liked fighting with the World Eaters?

Hol Beloth is cool as fuck!

Use meltabikers to rape medusas and dreads.

Bring four medusae.

Learn to read world eaters and thousand sons are grey - distrusted allies