Previous thread: So, /epg/, if you had effectively limitless resources and time, what kind of private redoubt would you build?
Hudson Collins
>redoubt >a temporary or supplementary fortification, typically square or polygonal and without flanking defenses. What the fuck, OP?
Logan Brooks
Didn't mean to use the same word twice, but you know that's not always how people use that word. Nor may it be how that word is used in AF 10.
Eli Phillips
The only usage nowadays is national redoubt, which is barely used anyway. People usually just say "fortress". The problem with using for the topic is that it denotes the purpose is for resisting siege, which is largely irrelevant in 10 AF. Talking about spending money on a fuckton of emplacements doesn't sound that interesting anyway.
Hunter Williams
Well, with Oligarchs, you're probably just as likely to get either "who the fuck would dare attack me" levels of no security, or "maximum paranoid old person" levels of high security.
Angel Morris
Except it's both. It looks like there's a lack of security, but there's actually a stupid amount of security that's hidden from view. Also, people tend to care less about being killed and more about not having their stack stolen or backups compromised.
Jace Martinez
Which, would be important for a private retreat of a nigh-immortal, fabulously wealthy oligarch.
And who knows what other kind of shit going on.
Nathan Myers
Depending on how private it is, internal security might be a bit more lax.
Nicholas Williams
More importantly, if y'all don't like the thread, should have made your own. Nobody else seemed in a hurry to do that, though.
Evan Wood
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Luke Allen
What kind of domicile would you build?
The problem is that I have an exoplanet, with all of the materials I need, and a resource rich system to exploit, using my several million indentures. Why choose one building style when I can choose all of them? I can have entire cities in one unified style. The gate is getting stuck inside a strong hold though. I don't want something getting in that I don't want.
Joshua Murphy
Post crazy structures and cities that an Oligarch would build
Jeremiah Sanders
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Andrew Fisher
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Angel Gutierrez
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Kevin Martin
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Nolan Martin
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Josiah Martinez
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Logan Taylor
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Caleb Bennett
>So, /epg/, if you had effectively limitless resources and time, what kind of private redoubt would you build?
Dig into Makemake and turn its interior into an M. C. Escher-esque mini city.
Kevin Moore
Where is the info on Makemake?
Cooper Hill
A brinker hab programmed to shut down or jam communications and fly out of the system if internal defenses are overwhelmed.
Jaxson Wilson
It'd be in Rimward, assuming it was discovered by the time that book came out.
Jose Bell
A giant dick
Camden Rivera
Redoubt just means a small independent fortification. There was a time when those were generally star forts, but that time is long past.
Christopher Peterson
>I can have entire cities in one unified style. And thus began the tale of the first zoning board-instigated worker uprising
Ryan Bailey
Now we're talking about entirely different "star forts"
Justin Watson
wikipedia
Isaac Moore
Yeah, given an entire planet, you could do anything. When you get to that scale, it's not really that fun anymore. Managing colonization from the beginning? That could be fun, but it's generally too grindy for pnp.
One of my characters has built a hab, which is a double ring type in the belt. This is part of my in-progress donutsteel minarchist faction, which exists basically because they don't want to be associated with radical leftists when shit hits the fan. This particular hab is mainly focused on ship building and metal export, given that it is in close proximity to 16 Psyche and is the home of the hypercorp that owns the mining and refining operations there. To add some flavor and also to make the faction more 'merican without getting cringey, the habs in that area have the largest number of American Indians, some tribes having set up habs focusing on entertainment, with huge casinos, of course. I figure that, since the rich tribes throw so much money at their tribe members, that they all pretty much had stacks before the fall and had plenty of egocasting facilities. It also helps that they're rather remote.
Jayden Adams
While Makemake was discovered in 2005, it wasn't mentioned in Rimward (20012).
Isaiah Lee
Keep in mind, just because something is first discovered, doesn't make it go public for several years AND it can take a year or two to complete the writing process on a big sourcebook - especially at a company of three or four guys.
Thomas Moore
Brinker habitats are for weird habitats that might be the GM's fetish.
Jace Bell
>Makemake was discovered on March 31, 2005, by a team led by Michael E. Brown, and announced on July 29, 2005.
Academics live and die by publishing first
Jackson White
With psycosurgery and memetics, every society is possible! And all the morphs are freemen. That helps too.
Asher Turner
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Ethan Gutierrez
I've just got mine settling and developing out from My central palace. Even the indenture population is just directing and designing and decorating now, the mass constructors I've had developed are the most capable builders I could hope for. Here's one of the newer developments, mostly pastiche of old enclavers' memories, turned into a massive scale corporate utopia. Its truly good to me planetking.
Jaxson Baker
I reckon I'll remain happy that I put my palace on the rough antipode of the pandora gate. The mountain of a fortress on top of it also gives peace of mind, and so does the knowledge that I have a bigger fleet than jove's hanging above my crownworld, and two more ready to hard burn here from their exploration of my trojans.
Elijah Johnson
Do you have a name for this project, or do I just call it Peer Gynt?
Evan Ward
>You know what this spaceship needs? A bulbous bow to reduce wave resistance. And a conning tower to help see over the horizon. Also fins.
Lucas Adams
I suppose this is a good deal after 10 AF, right?
Nicholas Murphy
its as if it were designed by some wealthy fool with no concern for practicality or cost, entirely as a toy for their own vanity. >oh, wait, it is
Jonathan Flores
A luxury shelter with attached robot factory and atrium.
Asher Jackson
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Brody Rogers
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Caleb Baker
The background is not blue in space, so either it's designed for atmospheric flight or it's skimming the corona of a blue supergiant.
Josiah White
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Leo Allen
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Brayden Cooper
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Eli Watson
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Aaron Robinson
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Dylan Turner
Would EP be a good system for running an EYE themed game?
Brandon James
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Easton Price
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Joseph Jenkins
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Adam Morales
Proxies are watching.
Post prostitutes.
Dylan Sanders
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Adrian Richardson
I feel like dark heresy would actually be really good
Benjamin Martin
Seconded. It has mechanics specifically for when your legs are not O.K.
Camden Flores
GURPS :^)
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Juan Martin
Does anyone else get sick of this answer? I personally find it hard to believe that oligarchs don't care if their shit actually works.
Luis Nelson
Sometimes they don't care if it's efficient, but only if it's worth it to them. Of course they care whether or not it works.
Orbiting a yellow star not unlike the Sun, and with an earth-like atmosphere (courtesy of a cyanobacteria-analogue), Omedetou was a supreme windfall for its eventual purchaser, Landgravine Nadia Malrubius Brueghel, matriarch of an ancient and powerful Lunar Line Marriage, who acquired the world about 4 AF. The Oligarch wasted no time developing her investment, shipping essential supplies, scientists and technicians in every field, and thousands upon thousands of indentures through the Gate, all to aid in the construction of her perfect society.
Transit of material, people and information too and from Omedetou is sparse, but everything indicates that her personal paradise planet is now host to a bustling super-city, built to her exact specifications, which she now rules as a goddess. The colony has reportedly repelled several incursions from the Anarchist controlled Gate nexus at Portal, based on claims that the world's absolute ruler has been brutalizing the indentured populace there, subjecting them to her every demented whim in an effort to gratify her time-dulled senses.
Jayden Smith
>too to, fuck
Lucas Perry
>now host to a bustling super-city In six years. Inhabited by thousands of people.
Zachary Nelson
>supercity in 6 years Not buying that.
Noah Ortiz
Imagine an oligarch who didn't wast all of his money on pointless shit like spacecraft with conning towers. How powerful would he be?
Kayden Rogers
Let's do math! Because we're nerds. >thousands upon thousands Indicates at least 1 exponent. Let's run with 10K starting pop (most of those scientists and techs are going to be counted as indentures). Our next question is growth rate - which is resource intensive, but easy for EP tech. So how fast does she want her population to grow? What is feasible? Current human growth rate (births-deaths+living difference over time) is about 1.2%. In areas of the world where having a large family is an advantage, it can hit over 2%. Our peak was 2.2% worldwide in 1962/63. A society with no deaths can easily double that growth rate, and focusing resources on population growth can (possibly) double that as well. So let's grab the 2.2% growth rate, x2 for no death, and x1.5 for pop-growth focus. We get a 6.6% growth rate. Let's add differentiated forking (deliberately letting forks grow separate and giving them new identities) to the mix - how does that effect everything? Eh, let's do another x2. >13.2% Simulspace growth (to get children to a working age faster and free up caretaker resources) is basically already included, but we need to examine that more closely. Maybe a x1.1? >14.52% Forking children, while horrible, is a great way to keep your child-training efficient - raise and train one batch, then multiply them. If morph production keeps pace, we can go with any multiplier we want! Let's be simple and say x3 >43.56% If worker distribution remains equal, our new citizens will be able to maintain the same rate of growth. >Growth Rate 43.56 >Starting Population 10K After six years, we have a pop of 87.5K. Not quite an average city, but give it time. We can build cities for that pop in EP pretty easily in this scenario, which can free up more resources for childcare. Assuming growth rate remains stable and no issues arise, our colony will hit 514 million egos (not including immigration, AGIs, and local uplifts) in 30 years.
Gavin Robinson
>Growth rate increases when people have access to birth control and are in no hurry to reproduce
Probably not
Joseph Mitchell
>growth rate does anything but increase when the queen of the world demands population growth and rewrites your brain to agree
Isaiah Walker
>Dictatorships don't get overthrown when the populace gets too pissed off. Don't be silly.
Jonathan Nelson
Oligarchs - No Sense of Right and Wrong. On occasion, No Sense of Right and Left. Welcome to the highest levels of EP society - ethics are entirely optional, and usually get in the way.
Christian Scott
>No Sense of Male and Female
Charles Wood
well all you really need to do is donate dna for an exowomb, but I imagine there's a bonus in ti for those who go the traditional route
Eli Barnes
That is nowhere near sufficient. Children need to be raised, and people need to maintain the place while that's happening. Then there's the migration issue and making sure the children don't just overthrow you.
Justin Gonzalez
What is psychosurgury and behavioral control?
Samuel Rivera
What is a failure rate and needing teams of experts to do that to a large population?
Nicholas Adams
with control of people's' egos and absolute rule of the planet that really shouldn't be that hard to manage, especially with the resources at an oligarch's disposal. The consortium controls its masses pretty well even with all their internal strife and competitors around the system. It is by no means a stretch that an absurdly well funded colony could manage an intensive population expansion program without being overthrown, especially when it can offer generally better terms and living conditions than the solar system.
Gavin Gomez
>Oligarch
Aiden Lopez
>with control of people's' egos imperfect control mediated by others >absolute rule of the planet No. You can't do it all by your self. >The consortium controls its masses pretty well Mostly by mostly letting them do what they want > especially when it can offer generally better terms and living conditions than the solar system. How? >Oligarch *magic*
Logan Ramirez
It could be done pretty easily without psychosurgery, just tell people they get a bonus for every kid they pop out and raise and that otherwise they just need to live and work in the utopia you're building with mostly automated processes and the scores of transhuman weirdos you brought with will do the rest, faster than you can fucking imagine. The pristine bosom of this virgin star system will be splattered with the technicolor pearl necklace of transhumanity before the decade is out.
Robert Price
How is that different from most of the solar system?
The biggest problem is that immortal people are going to say "That sounds nice for later, but for now I want to get blackout drunk all the time"
Ethan Wright
>scoop up infugees that would otherwise be employed taking barbed elephant dick up the pooper all day, every day >put them in splicers or something and tell 'em they don't get another one until they produce two unique individuals >If they die they get rebooted from the backup you originall purchased, except for in extenuating circumstances, like if you have bilological children >put them to work building
its not as hard as you're making it out to be. This isn't meant to be a foolproof plan, but seriously, you're just being a contrarian at this point
Robert Gomez
>put them in splicers or something and tell 'em they don't get another one until they produce two unique individuals This will result in nowhere near the described population growth rate
Daniel Wood
>*magic* the magic of having enough money to do exactly what you said is necessary
James Carter
>Oligarchs individually have as much money as the PC or LLA No
Benjamin Hughes
they have enough money to hire enough loyal administrators and psycho surgeons and others to run a successful colonial government is what I mean.
Luis Johnson
So you're saying that wouldn't be several orders of magnitude more expensive than a normal government?
Xavier Ramirez
not if its smaller than a undersized city on a planet you get to exclusively exploit
Brody Wood
How many orders of magnitude smaller?
Owen Wood
Does anyone have exhuman Art?
Caleb Rogers
weren't we saying ten to twenty thousand people, approaching 100,000 towards the end of the project with really optimistic estimates?
