I'm basically going to ask one of my favourite questions again, because since I originally asked it, there's been a bit more support for it officially:
Have you ever played/ran or wanted to run a non-standard WoD setting? Dark Eras has dropped (check the Pastebin) opening up a whole host of historical settings with rules for archaic weapons and information about different time periods, and the Demon Storyteller's Guide provided hacks for different playstyles as well as three alternate settings, including ancient roleplay set in Biblical times and an alternate Cyberpunk future to fight against.
One of the things I've wanted to do is to create a system hack for running WoD in a full fantasy setting, using the same systems of Hedge and Astral and Shadow, but in a more Revealed and fantastical world, but I've always been put off by the fact that it's such a daunting task to do right.
its admittedly a very subjective term. I cant explain it but I know it when I see it.
Grayson Davis
The last time I ran a game was a Mummy one-shot set in 391AD Roman Alexandria, but that went pretty poorly due to awful players. Those same awful players killed a 1700s Quebec Vampire chronicle before it could even really start.
I don't game with them anymore.
William Reyes
Forgive me for being dim as a bucket of sponges here, but what went so wrong?
Andrew Morgan
"Tryhard" is another term I hate.
>Those same awful players killed a 1700s Quebec Vampire chronicle before it could even really start. How does that work? Oh, wait, the chronicle. I thought you said they killed a 1700s Quebec Vampire.
Wyatt Reed
what term can I single out shit players that wont offend you then
Luis Bell
Vampire: Nobody cared enough to even finish the characters they made and the first and only scene ended with one of them killing a mortal because he couldn't think of anything to say.
Mummy: Utter lack of investment in the setting (why they agreed to play it is beyond me), one of them didn't think of a character beyond "gay prostitute," and just general lack of attention.
I've never had a good group, and once I stopped playing with those guys I stopped playing altogether. Being atamajakki is suffering.
Ayden Foster
why not play online with skype or something. Its what I do
Alexander Wright
roll20 is pretty alright as well.
Jeremiah Barnes
Erratic scheduling, niche tastes, and good old fashioned anxiety. But once a tripfag starts talking about their personal life, it's time for a change of topic.
Kevin Jenkins
I don't know why you assume I'm offended. I'm just making judgements about the kind of person you are. Getting defensive about 'offending' people also makes me judge you.
As for what wouldn't 'offend' my apparently delicate sensibilities? Not making unwarranted leaps of judgement of hypothetical players. Or at least if you do, you could do it without using buzzwords and dogwhistles that give the impression you'd be just as insufferable to game with as the "special snowflakes".
But what was your last character anyway, user?
Sebastian Clark
I use a combo of roll20 and skype. Ops and Tactics game I am in I use roll 20 and teamspeak. My Fallout game is skype voice chat and using google docs
>Anxiety >Over the internet
Isaac Cruz
idk if you are offended but its obviously doing something for you to keep mentioning it.
>Making judgements Its hard to make assumptions of people you dont actually talk to.
>last game I had an ops and tactics game today.
Xavier Jackson
I asked what your last character was.
There's plenty of reason for anxiety over the internet. I mean, hell, this thread couldn't quit shitting on him for any reason even before he got the name, and something being over the internet doesn't stop you from socially interacting with other humans.
Plus online games are always a clusterfuck because everyone says "I'm available" and then you never hear from them again.
Nicholas Brown
While i'm here I have a quick question on Werewolf the Apoc. New Glasswalker takes the gift 'plug and play', then takes the fetish 'hardware virus'. In this day and age am I mistaken in thinking that this combo seems a little too powerful for a new character? My understanding would be that with a smartphone you could use the gift to remotely access and via the fetish destroy pretty much anything. Sound about right, or is there a reason it wouldn't work that way?
Xavier Watson
>I asked what your last character was. I misread im super tired right now. My last character I played would have been my CIA Agent. In this game a coalition of Russian,Chinese and North Korean invaded the US and I was sent to help organize the civilian population to either defend their homes or resist occupying forces. The rest of my party are draftees
And I have terrible shyness and anxiety meeting new people. Never had that problem over the internet.
Connor Murphy
Zero social anxiety over the internet, but lots more of it online. Plus all my shitty previous tabletop experiences make it tough to put together tge effort to play again, leaving me with only the will to shitpost here.
Noah Sanders
Shit, "over the internet" should say "in real life."
It's time for bed.
Jason Martinez
>internet anxiety Explain how this is a thing.
Caleb Gomez
It's a thing. I missed out on plenty of games just because I was too afraid to show myself in a text only room. It puts pressure on you to be social, same as any other anxiety inducing situation.
Connor Long
Why... it's just text. You could pretend to be a complete jackass and it won't affect the rest of your life.
Noah Hill
You'd really think so, but the only difference between online and real life is that you can see the people. There's still a fair chance you'll be interacting with these people again, plus the idea of having to keep a time to play. Anxiety can hit for dumb reasons or no reason at all. I don't know about the tripfriend, but even knowing that I have to interact whether I like it or not because i've already committed is enough to fuck my world up.
Angel Edwards
Alright fair enough, but now I don't understand why you would talk about internet anxiety while also sporting a tripcode. Seems like the tripuser is setting themselves up for getting made fun of even more.
Aiden Rogers
Someone explain the God-Machine to me. Give it to me straight.
Cooper Allen
Think of the machines in the matrix yeah? Its that but instead of a simulation its the real world mixed with a little bit of Cthulu
William Lewis
The God Machine is your friend, and it just wants the best for us all.
Am I retarded in not fully understanding what infrastructure is? I am thinking of what Infrastructure means to most people. Roads,emergency services, electricity and so on.
Or the Devil was a Spirit of jealous competition with the Steal Soul Numina, with a very specific Ban.
Josiah Hill
weposting wpd music now?
Eli Parker
The God-Machine is the term used to talk about the overall mess of angels and infrastructure that make it up. It's less a god entity, and more of an arcane cosmic engine made up of thousands if not millions of parts.
Infrastructure are exploits into the nature of reality. Think "if you arrange 5 pylons of Aluminium at this location at this time, and anoint it with the blood of a jealous 4th son, you will summon an angel". They create angels, influence things, manipulate reality, and create angel-feed.
Angels are sent out to make more infrastructure, defeat enemies, or manipulate dirty filthy fleshlings into doing their job for them.
The God-Machine is pentacles building pentacles.
Oliver Bell
It's basically that, but for arcane plans. Some infrastructure summons angels. Some makes angel feed (essence). Some hides other infrastructure (concealment). Some manipulates probability (makes someone President, or gives someone Cancer, or sends instructions in the mail to the God-Machine's servants).
Tyler Morris
I guess the naming convention makes it confusing to me. I sometimes take words too literally when I dont have a clear picture
Levi Morales
It's infrastructure, but for the God Machine's domination of the world.
I've got a few. I have a playlist of random nerd songs (mostly Miracle of Sound) that I listen to in the shower and cutting grass and stuff like that, and I tend to get WoD-y ideas from some of them.
This song (the lyrics, not the actual character) seem like a Claimed's themesong. youtu.be/x7wryLYBzZg Maybe some kind of Poison Ivy type Slasher claimed by a Flower-Magath and leading a cult. Instead of, you know, Ragu's clothing thing.
Also a Kill la Kill English cover by the same person, this song is REALLY Geist-y. youtu.be/bU9PJBv30lE "Souls who unite can't be torn apart" and "we've got to fight as one" in particular.
For less Kill la Kill, this song (again, song, not the music video) feels very Werewolf. youtu.be/5R7vCtU9d7Y It's like a Nusuzul getting forged in fire.
Samuel King
I'd really like to play Requiem for Rome if they ever do a second edition upgrade for it. Great War Hunter could also be pretty cool.
youtube.com/watch?v=qECZ7EL1Wxs Heres a band of travelling Thyrsus Mages A lot of my insperation comes from folk music for some reason.
Jason White
They don't really need to do a second edition upgrade for Requiem for Rome. You could just port over the mechanics from VtR 2e and use the fluff from RfR.
Jackson Davis
Think of it as the infrastructure for weirdness. Ever asked 'well how can the Loch Ness monster survive being that big in such a small ecosystem?' now think of the G-M as the group of weirdos who come in the middle of the night to the edge of Loch Ness with a tractor trailer filled with salted cod and dump it in there for Nessie. They facilitate weirdness, they provide the infrastructure.
Liam Cook
>>Not this Many things can feel Werewolf. That song does have a good sound, though.
This Miracle of Sound song also seems a bit Werewolfy, or at least like a Daeva's themesong. Or a very sensual Gangrel. >She's a lioness under that dress >I love to hear her roar
It would be nice to see what they'd do to retheme things, though. Plus, a Julii Clan Bane.
Gavin Gutierrez
I think something like that would work as a web supplement. They don't do enough of those anymore.
Matthew Butler
>That song does have a good sound, though. I was referring to the entire songs premise being about a guys first time turning into a werewolf and killing his girlfriend. (I just love graveyard Train a lot)
idk I need to cross reference the released books with what I already have. though all I have for Demon The Descent is Story Tellers guide and the revised rules
Jackson Baker
You don't have the core? You do need Flowers of Hell though, that's a good one. Heirs to Hell is meh, and Interface is redundant now that STG is out.
Brody Scott
I dont care I just like to collect them.
Chase Morgan
It's a Soviet computer that got too big.
Lucas Richardson
Any chance for Mage 2e next week, or will we be disappointed again?
Carter Wright
Not after extensive revisions.
It's too powerful for Drakula's refined gothic taste.
Christian Fisher
Damn it. It's been sent back to be re-worked?
Jackson Thompson
You'd better believe it. Why would I lie to you on the Internet?
Luis Sanders
Because that's exactly what that final pass is for? If WW finds anything wrong with it, it'll be sent back for re-working?
It happened to Black Hand, after all.
Austin Brown
So /quest/ is basically a containment board like /vr/ and /mlp/ right? O was there a real interest in it for it's own merit?
Blake Diaz
I always wanted to know what that middle reflection is supposed to be, the clothing looks so fucking neat.
Dominic Powell
No it hasn't. user's trolling. Last known news is what's in the last Monday blog: At WWP for approval. Where it's been for the last week or two.
John Collins
How would you make the Samedi from VtM into a VtR2e, assuming they aren't already a thing in VtR.
If they aren't, might I suggest Mekhet with Dominate.
Joseph Flores
I was going to say Nosferatu from Jamaica and they would have Dominate
Alexander Reed
I don't think they are.
Anyhow. I think there are too many mystical bloodlines tied to the Mekhet. Go more on the hideous side. Go Nosferatu. As for Discipline. I'd give them protean. Thanatosis, as a Bloodline Gift, I think would work best as a series of Nightmare/Protean devotions.
Same for this youtube.com/watch?v=GVJaWOV5uI8 Although it's arguably more the words of an Angel, up until the end Twenty One Pilots in general has a lot of Demon-sounding songs, imo, but that's mostly because they've got of stuff that's vaguely about/directed at God,
I don't think Dominate really fits. I'd make them Nosferatu with Nightmare, Obfuscate, Resilence and a custom Discipline.
Sebastian Ross
Necromancy
Jacob Gomez
No, not Necromancy. They aren't necromancers, they fuck around with rot and death, yes, but they neither talk to ghosts (the classical definition), or lord it over the undead (the new one). They do a lot of body-horror stuff though. Protean fits best there. Discipline list: Nightmare, Obfuscate, Resilience (replacing Vigor), Protean. Bloodline Gift: Thanatosis. (Allows you to rot shit, and re-shape yourself, corpsily)
Jaxon Cruz
Should they have connections in the Circle and/or Lancae?
Luis Peterson
>Voodoo >Christian
Oh so you just want to straight up copy the Samedi? I was just suggesting cool ideas for Voodoo Vampires
Juan Collins
As in the VtM version? It would need some upgrading. There was a VtR bloodline with an affinity with ghosts irrc which could be used as base. I thought the Samedi were more into body modofication though.
Joshua James
>Oh so you just want to straight up copy the Samedi? I was just suggesting cool ideas for Voodoo Vampires
Oh, it's not me who want it. I'm just working on what the guy upthread said:
>How would you make the Samedi from VtM into a VtR2e, assuming they aren't already a thing in VtR. >If they aren't, might I suggest Mekhet with Dominate.
That made me think he wanted to re-make them, rather than make spooky voodoo vampires.
James Ramirez
Well, Vodoo vampires could get something similar to Cattiveria, the Sangiovanni Discipline.
Jaxson Fisher
Circle, probably. If any at all. They stink. People don't like stinky people.
Brandon Edwards
>Anarchs and Brujah used to be a diverse group of individuals who banded together for freedom >Carthian movement are just Leftist extremists.
Joshua Baker
At their core, yes. Nowadays they attract pretty much everyone with dissident opinions, with LOTS of infighting.
But to see here. They began as an Anarcho-Liberalist movement in the aftermath of the French Revolution. The core goals were the destruction and re-distribution of power. Communist, Socialists, and Democrats flocked to the banner. Everyone else who was disenfranchised got there. Then they started taking a look at each other. Now they fight themselves more than they fight each other.
Thomas Hernandez
they're about as leftist as any country with a democratically-elected leader. Their core tenents aren't really any more socialist than the United States constitution: "feudalism is bad, democracy is good." They adopt the rhetoric & aesthetic trappings of historical leftist movements for flavor but most canon Carthian material fails to mention them holding any sort of "real" leftist positions, and IIRC actually says that they're pretty hypocritical about that sort of thing.
Ian Rodriguez
I just remembered a joke I made. If all that it means to be a Brujah is to hold an ideal close then what would happen if a Neo Nazi and a Black Panther Brujah met each other in the streets. The Anarchs were like that but on a world wide scale. All of these conflicting ideologies who came together with no real goal other then "Big Government is bad mkay." Not to mention the lack of Masqeruade enforcing apart from Mob Rule (which I know the Camarilla does that with the Blood Hunt but thats super rare) I feel like the Carthian Movement is a bit overly romanticized. Maybe I need to read more of them I guess.
Anthony Butler
Nowadays they also include Occupy movements. Anything anti-authority really.
They aren't really pro-democracy. They are anti-authority. Democracy is just a decent step in moving authority down to the people.
Time for a strange idea, eyeless Raven Host Mekhets, They have Animalism...and are essentially a walking Wound into the Shadow...also they can fly.
Jose Bell
Not very bad. And once again. Protean. If you want shape shifting, that's pretty much where you have to go.
Robert Davis
>What is Animalism?
Adam Bell
You know what people fused with Raven Hosts look like, right? Of course flying with a cloak of raven might be easier.
Luke Barnes
yeah. if you hate the people in charge & think that "things have to change" you join the Carthians. What you do when the Carthians BECOME the people in charge? well.
Jordan Russell
Controlling animals. Not shapeshifting.
Aaron Collins
Mage 2e is never coming out.
Jacob Fisher
Start trying to change things elsewhere. The Carthian endgame would be Carthians in power and in communication all over the world, so they can come to an agreement about what changes need to be made to Kindred society and politics in order to improve it.
Once Carthains take control of a given city, they're going to start trying to influence nearby cities into also being Carthian-led, either by diplomacy or by playing it VtM-Jyhad style and staking the leaders of the non-Carthian covenants in that city, so the Carthians can take over.
Blake Nguyen
The first part is why there are so many Carthians: It's easy to hate the vampires in charge.
The second part is why there are so few old Carthians: The inevitable purges.
Jose Martin
But if the Carthians are as diverse as they are supposed to be then no one can agree on what is the best course.
Nicholas Kelly
And then, cue the machetes.
Joseph Hill
>My problem with you is that you reflexively judge people >That's why I keep reflexively judging you
Mason Sanchez
Black hand is a VtM project, which is the gameline he's got GRAND VISIONS about.
The Black Hand book also ended up being shit.
Josiah Nelson
At which point the Carthian with Celerity and Auspex throws a fish through someones head and kills them instantly. youtube.com/watch?v=GuKV2Z3eYTY
Charles Allen
>Used to side with Anarchs most of the time even if I was a bit apprehensive about their lack of focus since the camerilla was just bad all around >Realize every other covenant in Requiem are just bad and Invictus is hands down the best choice Name one way Invictus is worse then any other covenant >Crazed religious nuts >Crazed religious Nuts: Pagan edition >Evil scientists >Violent revolutionaries without focus.
Jonathan Wilson
And then the rain of terror begins. The surviving Invicti and Lancea sit at a yacht somewhere, saying "Told you so, old boy", the Ordo batten hatches and hide, the Circle enjoy the blood sacrifices, the unaligned die in droves..
Joseph Hill
The fact that every Covenant is shit is kind of the point. The only moral choice is Unaligned, except there's no real way to survive as an Unaligned unless you're hideously powerful (in which case you've probably done shit that's even more evil than your average Vampire who IS in a Covenant).
