MTG lore: Now with a repository Edition

Previously on THE FLAKE THREAD:

Nothing happened for awhile. And then things happened. Joke flake sheet Ivander, Diomedes, and Deka take part in a Disney adventure.

Writefagging:
DIOMEDES and Selenra Anna and Murdock go on Amnesia Lesbian Adventures >AND THEN THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HAPPENED.

This snowstorm now has an official google drive! All sheets, stories, and any other tidbit you want (just link OP and say "OP OP, I SUMMON THEE. PLACE THIS FILE IN THE REPOSITORY." and it shall be done) are now featured here:

drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>LET THE FAGGOTRY CONTINUE

>Meanwhile, Cock and Rock get assigned their first case together.

Oh yeah. PREVIOUS THREAD:

Limit the number of interactions with canon characters or canon organizations on a serious level. If the interactions are minimal, I consider that acceptable.
For example, being a low level researcher in the Simic Combine or seeking to pit its wits against those of Nicol Bolas is a-okay for a snowflake, while being the second-in-command of the Rakdos Cult or genuinely meeting Nicol Bolas *and* defeating him in a battle of wits are big no-nos. So you pull it off reasonably well.

There's the issue of certain variations of races not being able to have sparks. For example, I'm not sure if Rabiah's efreets are born or whether they're created or simply a part of world like elementals or avatars. It's something that we just don't know about. Normally, the two rules of thumb for whether something should have a spark is that it should have been born at some point and it should have been born as a sapient creature.

>Does Gaia read as an empty spot in the Blind Eternities? It might be a point of curiosity for many a Planeswalker.
Yes. Or, more accurately, the Blind Eternities move and flow as though a plane should be there. Yet, if you try to enter that spot, you pass through it. There's just more aether instead of a plane. It's a curiosity and a conundrum.

After seeing the comparison to Gaia in another thread, I felt the need to explain her color scheme (Since generally domain walkers are icky and unnecessary). So here goes. And oh yeah, OP OP, I SUMMON THEE. PLACE THIS DESCRIPTION IN THE REPOSITORY

She started out as G, then was RG at the time of her ascension:

>Red: Passion, anger, haste, fury, freedom
When she was young, she strongly embodied red. It was why she refused to repent after the First Kinslaying. She was outraged at what Morgoth had been doing in Beleriand and Middle-Earth, and she thought that repenting and returning to the Undying Lands was a coward’s action. She and DIOMEDES would have probably gotten along in those days. She wanted to free the peoples and creatures living in the East, because no person should have to live under the rule of a tyrant. And she was equally outraged that, to her young and impatient eyes at least, the Valar in all of their power and glory, seemingly allowed Morgoth to run amuck unchallenged. She lost respect for them and lost faith in their judgement. And so she joined with the brash Fëanor and the rest of her kin in travelling across the see. She wishes that Fëanor’s actions had not led to the Kinslaying but, as she said, “The East must be freed, even at the cost of our own lives.” Indeed, she embodied red up until the moment of her death, when her rage in battle against the black wolf that had slain her love cost her her life.


>Green: Life, nature, a tie to the world, and growth
While as her life progressed her personality shifted more and more towards red and less towards green, green is a condition of her soul. All elves of Arda are tied to the natural world in ways the other races cannot comprehend. They are bound to the plane until the plane itself ends. Green is a state of being for all Eldar and it is thus core to their color identity.

>cont'd

>Black: Ambition, corruption, selfishness, amorality
Originally, Gaia was RG. But black was the first color she inadvertently, and then intentionally, attained after her ascension. Through her exposure to another oldwalker and powerful necromancer, she began to see the allure of black. She became more ambitious and attempted to learn the role that black played in the natural order (decay and such). But because she was hasty and lacked foresight (fucking RG), she did not realize that (even before she began dabbling in black magic) her exposure to black mana had already begun to corrupt her. At first she desired to learn black magic for knowledge and understanding (foreshadowing her eventual blue aspect), but then - as she delved deeper into dark secrets – she sought black magic for power. She cared less and less about what it cost her and others, and more and more for the dominance she gained. Her red aspect changed from being about passion, joy, and freedom, and became more about hatred, violence, and rage. Her green aspect became less concerned with the growth and exploration of worlds and more about subjugating nature and controlling the process of decay.

>cont'd

>White: Order, balance, morality, peace, and harmony
It was many centuries before Gaia finally took a step back and realized what she had become: a monster. She remembered the person she had been, and mourned its loss. She had become cruel and selfish. Yet in her quest for power, she lost her soul and could no longer find inner peace. It was in these moments, when she was at her lowest, that she returned to her Father, Eru Ilúvatar, in his great halls outside of Arda. Despite her long absence, despite what she had become and her role in the Kinslaying, her Father welcomed her as his lost daughter finally returned (like in the parable of the Prodigal Son). He embraced his daughter and dried her tears. In the coming centuries, he taught her peace and the necessity for balance and harmony, both within one’s own heart and without. He taught her the ways of white mana and its importance, and through his guidance she at last attained an understanding of white magic that balanced out her dark side and restored a sense of morality in her. While she also understood that black mana had a role to serve in the world, she could not rely on its power alone. And for her sake and the sake of all she would encounter, she had a responsibility to limit herself and keep her might in check. It was also at this time that she regained an appreciation for mortal races and civilizations, having previously thought of them as fodder. In short, her Father’s love, tutelage, and guidance led to her redemption.

>cont'd

>Blue: Wisdom, knowledge, curiosity, the mind, and foresight
In time she learned from her Father’s wisdom and left him. With a new appreciation for balance, she began to explore the multiverse with new eyes and curiosity. She started seeing things that she had previously missed; subtle, small aspects of the multiverse that her young and then crazed mind had deemed unimportant. She spent most of her waking years like this, observing, categorizing, exploring, and learning. Blue was the slowest color identity for her to attain, yet it was the most lasting. As the years passed, she at last had the understanding of the multiverse and its workings to wield blue magic effectively. She came to understand science, time, and space. And more importantly, the role that all of these things (and more) played in the natural order of everything. She gained a strength of mind and depth of thought from her wisdom and age. Basically, time and patience taught her blue magic.

>fin

And that is how Gaia became a domain walker. Let me know if I’ve gotten something egregiously wrong, and I will do what I can to fix it.

Is it bad that I want them to be friends?

Replying to from last thread, When I say that they all have something to do with death, it doesn't necessarily mean that they all use death/life based magic. It means that as characters, death is something that has affected them in some significant manner. My Temur walker is a treefolk who's spark ignited in the middle of a massive forest fire, as it was burning to death.

>Kozilek
>Distorted merfolk god Cosi.
>What if Kos

You know, this morning a realized that Murdock is basically courage the cowardly dog.

b-but Kozilek is dead

Kos, or some say, Kosm.
I WANT TO BELIEVE.

Kozilek is dead. You wanna know else is dead? Kos.

Have you ever seen Kozilek and Kos in the same room together?

Mind = blown

Koszilek confirmed.

Hey, maybe now Boros will actually have some good cards.

Rolled 36, 16 = 52 (2d110)

Fuck it, let's see which two fight or become best friends or make out.

Made this yesterday in the dead hours. Wondering if it's too memetastic.

>Vronak and Unit IV

While running away from the priestess who was slapping him around, Vronak tripped over Unit IV, which was dying of not making enough sense.

He declined to necromance it and kept on running.

They both got contained, and a beautiful friendship would develop in the next thousand years they spent in the spheres.

How do you make a flake that isn't a flake?

You don't. A flake is a flake. That's the point.

But it would be mean to hog the spotlight from everyone else.

When everyone is a flake, no-one is.

This gave me an idea.
Someone make a flake sheet about an actual walker. Make your favorite card make you cringe.

Pffsh. Personally, I don't see a necromancer that is a Reanimator as being defeated by a priest/priestess. As the Reanimator can bring out any creature first turn. Which the Reanimator would obvious pick something that is hard to deal with. Shroud, Hexproof, Indestructible, or anything dumb like that.

And Unit IV doesn't seem to be a broken flake, just overly complicated in it's concept.

Though, I still don't see Unit IV being able to beat a Reanimator either. You'd need something with either a lot more control to shut down Reanimator before anything gets animated or something that can completely overrun it, like tier 1 Affinity or Sneak and Show.

Has he figured out some way to prevent aging since the Mending happened ~60 years ago, or is he an old as fuck werebear now?

Very old, kinda cranky. Bad knees, joints aren't what they once were, that sort of thing. I don't remember anything in the lore about how werebears age, but yeah. Old as fuck.

Tell us more about how 'summoning creatures from the ground' is superior to other forms of summoning, mighty Vronak-chan.

Dark Ritual.

Also, itms just a preference. Affinity is equally rediculous in summoning.

Presumably the same as humans, since they're humans with a disease.

So he runs exactly how the deck plays, but with a perfect draw every time, except the opponent's stuff isn't allowed to matter because 'you don't see him being defeated by X'?

>Vronak thought Innistrad would be a good place to brush up on his necromancy.
>He had a very bad time whenever anyone who had ALSO been to Innistrad got the jump on him.

That's true. So Torbern most likely has some grumpy old man opinions on how the youngsters ruined sparks and things used to be so much better back in his day. In addition to researching aether, he's probably delving more and more into blue magic to find a way to stop the age clock creeping up on him.

Fascinating, Vronak-chan. Tell us more about how Reanimating with a capital R is not reanimating but actually just 'summoning creatures out of the ground.'

Incorrect. Any Reanimator worth his salt would be able to get around such crude mechanisms.

Perfect draw is very consistent when it only requires three out of a combination of numerous cards.

And there are decks that can defeat a good Reanimator deck. There just aren't a lot. Just look at last year's SCG's Legacy tournament.

That's why a good Reanimator runs a splash of white in the sideboard or blue in mainboard.

If you're using the exact card mechanics like you are, then you are using the exact card mechanics.
Enjoy being hated out by cages and priests and RIP.

You're pretty butthurt, huh? Actually, my phone auto capitalizes Reanimator for me. But, as the cards suggest, they bring things from the grave. Not actually turning them into zombies in addition or opposed to their other types.

If that is what you are looking for in an answer.

You act like Disenchant, Force of Will, and Twisted Abomination aren't things.

Certainly, Vronak-chan. Because 'summoning creatures from the grave' is exactly the symbolism used by reanimator cards. Of course those cards don't depict or represent more traditional necromancy.

Oh, also, this user you replied to isn't Vronak-chan.

Black sucks at killing artifacts and enchantments.

Vronak is monoblack, and based on his favored spells cripplingly overspecialized in dump-revive to the exclusion of all other tactics.

Such things can have consequences, as Jace discovered when he realized mind magic is of very little use against zombies that have no minds and had nothing to fall back on.

There's all sorts of methods of disposing of artifacts and enchantments and especially creatures that my monoblack Reanimator deck can do.

Face it, there's not a creature, spell, artifact or planeswalker that could defeat a proficient Reanimator.

See my post in . There's plenty of spells that a Reanimator can use to destroy pitiful artifacts or enchantments. Color means nothing to a Reanimator, as colors and spells are nothing but combinations of mana that any decent mage can arrange to cast any sort of spell.

>Face it, there's not a creature, spell, artifact or planeswalker that could defeat a proficient Reanimator.

>baitposting this hard

Well, I would t say this exactly. But, it's closer to the truth than one would expect. Like I said, it takes a really powerful tier 1 deck to compete with a well constructed Reanimator deck.

That's not Vronak-chan.

When was the last time you saw a Reanimator get defeated in the lore?

Oh wait, never. That's because other planeswalkers can only dream of possessing the power that a Reanimator has.

All hail Vronak, most specialist of snowflakes, undefeatable and beyond compare or criticism! May he never melt or learn that being the best ever like that is completely boring

Not at all. We can have Worldshaper Tea-Time.

Liliana is a reanimator, and apparently got her shit pushed in the one time she got fresh with Sorin.

I would say not a single one, but combinations of cards can totally do it. stuff like Privileged Position comboing with Grafigger's Cage, Greater Auramancy, and Rest In Peace. With a liberal application of counterspells or stuff like Dovescape, you can completely lock down a reanimator. That said, the reanimator can lock down you too, if the catch on to what you're doing early.

In the end honestly, I don't think there's such a thing as an unbeatable walker combination. Even if they have all the crazy bullshit to deal with most decks, there's always SOMETHING that screws their day over. See control decks and Vexing Shusher.

No, she's a one-dimensional necromancer. Not a true Reanimator.

This is funny. But, all in all seriousness. The closest walker to a Reanimator is Liliana. And she hasn't been defeated yet. And probably never will be. She's the most powerful planeswalker next to Bolas and Ugin.

Again, that's not Vronak-chan. And the character of Vronak is made to be a survivalist by any means. Either as a villain for a team of Plabeswalkers to beat or as an anti-hero to help the Planeswalkers in their endeavors as long as it benefits himself as well.

There there, user. It's okay that your awesome reanimator deck got stomped on friday. We all lose sometimes.

To be fair with Liliana, she's practically an oldwalker in terms of age and ability, and all the walkers we've seen her fight are neowalkers. She's definitely strong as hell, but all of her canon fights have been against people who she has a few hundred years on.

The thing is, these combinations are too slow for Reanimator. That's why no one plays these cards. The only deck that stood with Reanimator in the SCG's Legacy Tournament was Sneak & Show.

And it honestly does seem like Garruk was a little bit more than she could chew without the Veil giving her a hand.

No, because necromancers ARE reanimators. There is no difference lorewise, and Liliana is supposed to be one of the most powerful there are (in that she's able to create zombies with the memories they had in life)
Just because older reanimation spells didn't have the 'also a zombie' trinket text doesn't mean it's something different. Fucking ZOMBIFY doesn't have that text and it's obviously supposed to turn something into a zombie.

Post a single snowflake that possesses any combination of those and could possibly hope to defeat a real Reanimator.

Here's a hint, you can't. Any snowflake here and even canon planeswalkers like Vraska, Liliana and even Jace would be crushed by the undeniable power of a true Reanimator.

No, there's plenty of difference. Cruddy necromancers practice the talentless art of making corpses come back to a mockery of life. True Reanimators summon creatures from the ground. Learn the difference.

Rolled 12, 33, 69 = 114 (3d110)

To distract from the shitposting the last one caused, let's have a three-way.

Three-for-all?

Three people doing stuff.

While this is true, her second fight with Garruk shows how powerful she truly is. After the curse has taken hold of him, Garruk is a walking planeswalker slayer. And she still pushes his shit in. And spares him once again.

Granny Swamp, Katrin and Belagir.

Yeah. I honestly think that Lili cursing Garruk actually made him way stronger than he would be otherwise. The first time they fought, she kicks his ass. A few months later, he almost wins before she chain veil's him as her last resort. Garruk is pretty much the perfect example of green buffing in a character. Very much the idea of adversity and harm causing growth and strength.

Actually thinking about it, now that we've had Magic 2015 with Garruk fighting all the walkers, if he works on that green growth logic, how strong is he now? We know he just one-hit-killed that innistrad walker that went after him post M15.

So, something that doesn't actually exist in the lore, yet we're supposed to find examples of them losing.
How about we find examples of them winning, first?
Or existing.

Okay. There's absolutely no way this isn't baitposting.

The difference is that basic necromancers summon a corpse to fight for them. While a Reanimator summons the actual creature it once was. Even if it's now a zombie in flavor, it retains all the abilities it once had before. While summoning zombies just makes a 2/2 shit head.

There's plenty of evidence of real Reanimators that exist in the lore, burden of evidence is on you to find them and read about them.

Learn a little about what you're talking about. Why are you even here if you don't read MtG lore?

Belagir is safely out of reach of the other two, but doesn't have a spark, so I guess he's disqualified since they can't get to him and he can't get to them.

So I'd probably say Granny Swamp would take Katrin down if Katrin doesn't catch her by surprise, which is entirely possible.

So, Liliana, when she cares to do so.

He is shitposting. As Vronak's creator, I don't see Vronak as the quintessential Superman type in reference to power.

I see him more or less as Deathstroke. Sure, he CAN be killed. But, he never is. He's far too resourceful and can think his way out of damn near everything.

I'm sorry, but no. You're making the argument for, so you need to at least give a single example. Without evidence, all we can do is assume you're shitposting, and leave it at that. You wouldn't write a research paper and then tell the readers to go find their own evidence to support your claim in it.

That's...that's not how that works. And I know about the lore, thus why I am asking you - name me some reanimators. Who summoned creatures out of the ground, rather than animating corpses?

What reason do they even have to fight? Sure, maybe Katin might be a bit overly curious about Granny Swamp's secrets but who's to say that Granny Swamp wouldn't just teach her a handful of tricks and maybe push her shit in if she tries to learn more than she wishes to.

Yes. But, I don't see Vronak as being able to summon a minor army. Just big threats on a smaller scale.

I don't see Vronak as being anywhere near as powerful as Liliana. He just has the resouces to be a threat. He is only as powerful as his summons.

Vronak does and so do other Reanimators. If you like, I could cite the story that was written where he killed Vraska with an Akroma that he summoned out of the ground.

V-Vronak-Senpai, c-can you show me how to be the very best like no one ever was???

So, your proof in MtG lore is a piece of flake lore?

Name me one reanimator that exists in canon MtG.

He is shitposting.

How do I get my special awesome snowflake onto the grid so I can roll dice and write fanfiction?

Post it in the thread, and then just wait till snowflake-user adds the batch to the sheet, as far as I know.

It's not even flake lore. That was a fic that was typed up to show how he works. Vronak hasn't met Vraska in his lore.

Also, Liliana reanimated Mikaenus. He wasn't just some mindless zombie.

Post the flake and then wait for chartanon to update

And also occasionally gets his shit pushed in but doesn't die, to keep him honest, I imagine.

He's been around a while. It must have happened.

Is Tormod's crypt too slow, desu-sempai?

Oh cool. Well, I already posted the sheet up here: So now I play the waiting game. Thank ye kindly anons.

Granny's got eyes in the swamp, so she'd probably only be caught by surprise if she weren't on the home turf.

Here's an experiment.

These are the shitposter posts:
The real Vronak is:
Can you tell much of a difference?

She did not summon him out of the ground, she found his corpse and animated it. It has been claimed she is not a reanimator but a necromancer because she used the actual corpse in this, thus did not summon him from the ground (and you know, needed to find his corpse and perform necromantic magic on it first to create him)
Please find examples of anyone creating zombies of people without using their corpses, like Vronak does. And/or summoning them from the ground. You may not use Vronak or the Vronak story that Vronak's creator wrote as examples, since Vronak is not a canon Magic character

You do realized he beat the Flash in that scenario, right? He was also fighting multiple members of the Justice League at the same time. And still won.

But Vronak doesn't make zombies, he summons summons exactly as they always were with identical abilities, he just summons his summons from the ground™ because it is the superior method of summoning summons.

That's a one time use only card though. And also, it is for Force of Will. >__>

You're thinking of a different, much stupider comic.

That's 100% correct.

That's not something to be proud of, Vronak-chan.

So, the point you are trying to make is that you are an asshat and saying that a flake cannot be original and use creative methods of faux summoning? Which is canon in the Lore?

I'm referencing the comic that your pic came from. As I personally own that comic.

Canonically, almost no planeswalker fights by pitting minions they summon from the aether against other planeswalkers that summon minions from the aether. The only known example of that is Kiora, even Liliana just reanimates the dead on planes she visits and they're entirely locked to those planes.