>removed the ability for Eyeless Sight to ignore forests when determining LOS. However, the ability to ignore concealment and cloud effects remain. In addition, Eyeless Sight now makes models that have it immune to Blind. >Bethaynes feat now reads: Symbiosis: While in Bethaynes control range, friendly Faction warrior models gan Flank [friendly Faction warbeast]. >Lylyth, Shadow of Everblight was also tweaked to better support a more infantry-centric approach to ranged combat as her feat now grants all friendly Faction models Gunfighter, rather than Snipe >Lylyth 2 also picked up Soothing Song >the point cost of Legion infantry was redressed and in many cases reduced >Blighted Nyss Archers, for example, dropped to a low cost of 8/13 >Blighted Ogrun also saw a drop in overall cost and picked up Tough (though like many medium-based infantry, they had their damage boxes reduced from 8 to 5 > Nephilim Protector picked up Guard Dog, better emphasizing its bodyguard role, while the Nephilim Solider gained Precision Strike >The Scythean became an absolute infantry murder machine thanks to the Murderous ability—which grants it an additional die on attack rolls against warrior models—and replacing Chain Attack: Bloodbath with Thresher >proteus is 11/18 and MAT 7 >Tentacles have range 2 pow 14 as well as chain strike and pull >talons are range 1 pow 16 >30 boxes of health >His bond with Abby gives him grevious wounds >has snacking and unyielding by default
Cooper White
Is spd 5 now going to be the norm for Legion heavy's?
Jack Collins
>Grievous Wounds no longer prevents transfers, but stops repairing now as well
Christopher Rodriguez
>Doesn't nerf warbeasts >Scythean gets +1 dice AND thresher VS infantry >Blind still OP except against circle >Everything still has flying / pathfinder >Doesn't nerf fury management >Can still take enough guys to easily mitigate fury issues >Legion beasts can't frenzy towards allies anyway >Buffs infantry >BUFFS INFANTRY Yeah haha Legion is gonna be so nerfed this edition HAHA
Jonathan Perry
Losing Bloodbath for Thresher is bad for Scythean's ability to kill heavies, actually. It can no longer get an extra attack for free on heavies/colossals, which hurts it's damage output as well.
And I think you're misunderstanding some of the nerfs here. Legion absolutely hates the change to Shepards, hardcore. It's a real problem for them if they try their current lists.
Andrew Kelly
I like the new Bethayne feat. Seems like it would be interesting with some lights that have reach and some fast infantry.
Landon Ortiz
>Vayl2 traded Purficiation for Chasten, Oblit for Deadly Ground(POW13, lower cost, leaves a cloud effect after damage). >L2 lost shadow pack, Shredders lost Tenacity.
Julian Carter
Question: Are points totals for the games changing in mk3? Everything seems absurdly expensive.
Very much looking forwards to using some of my less used beasts though.
Ethan Allen
Do we know anything about Retribution yet?
I have all of "prime" retribution but the horses. Tempted to get back into the game with MK3
How likely am I going to see colossals? I'm not keen on them.
Jaxson Hernandez
Yes, average points got doubled so they could more easily tweak models. Particularly low cost models that might be worth more than 2 points but less than 3 points for example.
With warcasters getting much more warjack/warbeast points the likely game size will settle at 75 points.
Connor Taylor
This thread was harder to find without a subject.
I'm curious what changes Warwitch Sirens will go through. Two things they specialized in was preventing movement with their sword (Errata'd) and giving a focus point to a 'jack that didn't have one, which won't be necessary with the MKIII changes to warjacks. They're currently 2 points a piece and I can't see them being worth more than 3 for a knockoff manhunter with spray attack and seduction.
Also I'm hoping Cylena and her Nyss are gutted in a few months. Way too fucking popular. Let's finally put an end to that Deneghra Merc list.
Sebastian Green
Power Booster no longer restricted to one focus.
So they can give another focus to a jack.
Nolan Perez
Hnnnggg
and now for the news..
Morghoul gets his blind ability back on feat...
in other news the feat is now useless vs legion...
Jason Perez
So what we know about the pigs? Any good news? Anything at all?
Hudson Johnson
Not really/ not yet based user, I assume they are going through the main factions first :/ Cygnar next, Skorne, Khador, Circle, Menoth would be my guess
Samuel Thompson
Arkadius can take Goraxes.
Jacob Barnes
Just for the Carnivean chassis.
Eli James
Dat feeling when you play Ret and don't give a fuck.
At the end of the day they can nerf only Halbardier and Strike Force.
Justin White
Cyngar's supposed to be one of the last ones.
Dominic Lopez
I can wait. I only want piggies to be cool to play is all. Wait what. Is he doing experiment with other beings apart of pigs now?
Xavier Moore
Pigs/Gators are one thing now. Pigs can take Gators, Gators can take pigs.
William Johnson
There was this theme force from NQ where he could take them, they had shield guard as well or someshit. After heavily reworking how theme lists work they gave Arkadius the ability to always being able to take Goraxes.
Christopher Reed
No. That is troll level feat and belongs in the light warbeast and ranged weapon faction
Caleb Baker
Because, you know, her old feat was amazing and people played the shit out of her.
A feat that says "All your infantry are weaponmasters" is a very good feat."
Gavin Martin
Why does a ranged weapon faction want flank idgi
Luis Ortiz
-4 def is pretty useless on a warlock, I agree.
Gabriel Anderson
Well, some warlocks. eLyl is still a bitch and a half.
Blake Bell
>>Scythean gets +1 dice AND thresher VS infantry
And loses an extra attack it used to get on heavies, and it loses the option to have all its fury removed by a single Shepard, and it can no longer charge through forests.
It was already an infantry mulcher, and actually lost a chunk of its effectiveness against heavies.
Christopher Lopez
Have we seen her Mk3 card?
Though let's just assume she retains it, because it's likely. So, it will be possible to build a perfect counter with a particular warlock against another warlock's feat. That's not completely unheard of, I think.
But I get it. People like to cry rivers and bitch to no end about astonishingly exaggerated 'problems'. I mean, look at me. Bitching about bitching.
>2) Bonds now exclusively appear on character warjacks and warbeasts. There are no bonds outside of the ones that appear on character warjacks and warbeasts.
Where were you when eFeora was killed?
Kevin Myers
And don't forget that unlike the Carni and Ravagore, who lost .5 threat, the Scythean lost a full inch.
Nathan Murphy
That's if her Bond hasn't changed, of course.
Kevin Sanchez
source where it says that scythean lost reach?
Angel Hernandez
she no longer has a bond
And I doubt PP would do something stupid like give her field marshal: continuous fire
Hunter Cruz
It doesn't have to boost to hit anymore vs infantry, so it doesn't even need the shepherd in that case. It only really has to spend fury to fight warnouns.
Jack Gray
No one said it lost reach, it's math.
It lost a point of speed. Thus it lost an inch of threat.
Carnivean and Ravagore lost an inch of speed, but gained a half inch of melee range.
Please try to keep up.
Luke Taylor
She has a character jack, and all character jacks will have a bond related to their controller.
Jacob Edwards
I'm sorry but I'm bad at math and thus was unable to take up legion (the most skill intensive faction in the game). I know that it took 3 everests of skill to edge out a win on the razor's edge with legion, so I hope that with all these nerfs there will also be large buffs
David Anderson
Spotted the troll player
Brayden Ortiz
Hes making a dig, both about how some people look at trolls (ranged and lights), and about how useless hes implying the feat is (so bad it belongs with trolls).
Logan Turner
I haven't been paying attention, has Privateer revealed any changes to Retribution yet?
Andrew Perez
Nothing super specific.
Logan Wright
Kara Sloan has Field Marshal: True Sight
Grayson Johnson
Oh thank the Ancestors. You focus-users have no idea how difficult it can be to keep old-man-stat warlocks alive with that and anti-magic shit both on the table at the same time.
Joseph Wood
>Buffing fury >Nerfing constructs (Warjacks) Top kek o p k e k
Grayson Parker
legion nerfs are around what I expected except for the spd 5 to our heavy warbeasts, they say in the article "It is a Faction that strikes hard and strikes fast, driving straight for its enemy’s throat in order to tear it out before fading away into the shadows." how is spd 5 supposed to accomplish that? other than that I'm really curious about what they're going to do with shredders now that they took tenacity away from them
Cooper White
Wait- are you certain that "cannot have damage removed from it" doesn't prevent transfers?
Oliver Diaz
I mean, with Slipstream and other speed buffs in faction you still have a good number of threat extensions as long as that doesn't change. On top of that unless Ravagores and Angels change dramatically they both aid that style as well.
Elijah Mitchell
Someone on the PP forums confirmed iirc (one of the PP folks, Soles or Schick) I'll try and dig up sauce
Charles Davis
A transfer doesn't remove damage. It prevents it and then causes damage to a beast.
Christian Scott
It stops all removal of dmg.
Anthony Peterson
Well, I guess it'd be good to see more than one fucking card before deciding that legion lost all of its speed.
Jackson Wilson
As for shredders they were already a bargain with rabid AND tenacity. They will probably get some other animus that isn't quite the same but as long as they keep rabid I don't think it's a huge deal.
Justin Torres
inb4 shredders get Rage
Eli Rivera
I thought the exact same thing, actually.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rabid simply became a 1 cost animus.
David Ortiz
per PPS_MrSoles "The entire chassis went down to SPD 5. It was one method to differentiate the heavy land sharks for the faster, lighter winged dragon-beasts."
so really it's 4 cards
Brayden Price
And we still no nothing about spells or animi or feats on basically everything.
Julian Phillips
On Purification >Technically speaking it now only exists within the Protectorate though other Factions have access to similar spells. We have removed or weakened some of the spells that trivially removed all upkeeps in play.
Ian Lewis
>if any of you had put a Nephilim on the table at some point in mk2 this wouldn't be happening (no, the ballista-hauler doesn't count)
Tyler Price
>legion nerfs are around what I expected except for the spd 5 to our heavy warbeasts, they say in the article "It is a Faction that strikes hard and strikes fast, driving straight for its enemy’s throat in order to tear it out before fading away into the shadows."
With spd 5 and reach, that makes it just as much reach as Cryx's Slayer, which is by no means a "slow" heavy.
And did you miss the spd 7 Grotesques? They used to be spd 5.
Robert Powell
Some of those guys look a lot better.
Guard Dog is one hell of a defensive buff for casters, and Precision Strike is very, very useful.
Nolan Foster
I can't remember what either of those do. I'm guessing precision strike is a pick your column thing?
Noah Ramirez
Yes.
Guard Dog is what the Khador Dog has: as long as it's within 3" of the caster they get +2DEF against melee attacks, no backstrike bonus for attackers, and immunity to freestrikes.
Henry Wood
I mean, realistically everything but the Scythean gained a small amount of melee threat and on top of that if those are the only changes to Legion's speed they are by no means slow
Xavier Hughes
Good. Now maybe the protectorate will have a unified design direction
Ian Peterson
I was just digging out my models for MK3 and now I'm trying to figure out if maybe the highlights have been lost over time or if I have always been this awful at painting.
Ethan Bennett
...
Christopher White
user who filled in the holes in the sarong on his Cyclops Shaman thinking they were air bubbles a couple days ago here. Finished the basecoat on him and I'd say that you really wouldn't know, so I'm happy.
Christian Green
Make as well post the front while I'm here. Funny thing about cyclops' is they can see the future, which means this one can predict these dubs
Angel Wood
yeah you can't even tell, nice work
Juan Evans
How do Hordes players deal with fury managements? I like Gators but I just can't wrap my head around fury as a system. I end up with so many options that I get stumped over thinking. When I play a Warcaster I know what I can and can't do (roughly) and just allocate what I need where.
Brayden Cooper
It looks nice for a basecoat, but I think some of your golds there went on a bit too thick. The details look a little filled in. Unless it's just a shitty sculpt.
Isaac Allen
Most factions have access to fury management support of some sort even if it isn't great. Gators don't have any fury management that I'm aware of so it is really just about spending that fury when it is worth it. For instance don't use fury to boost damage on every single model under the Spitter's template instead use it to boost to hit and boost damage on important solos or warbeasts and only when it either won't frenzy for doing so or if it could but that risk is important to take out that model. Decisions like that
Dominic Martin
>be Legion player >see insider
I'm still feeling good about Mk3. Most of these changes are good and were needed.
Mason Gutierrez
Just think man. Soon you might be playing Infantry!
Just think of the sweet Kallus and Lylyth1 armies that are going to be hitting the field.
Nathaniel Wright
if you're not a member of the legion facebook group doug hamilton is all over the place mocking the tears and talking up the changes we don't know about, he said there will be a new 'cool and unique' legion solicit coming this month
Ryan Jackson
Mind posting some of the changes?
Easton Walker
sorry I meant he's mostly going "stop worrying I've seen what's coming it's good shit", but he did let slip ravagores are getting 4" aoe
Parker Martinez
Her current feat is awesome if you run double hex hunters for it.
The new one is probably better if you build for it. Assuming the grot assassin stays the same, pair him with a couple of units of cheap, SPD 7 flying stealth models with gang, and run a couple of Raeks, and you have a fucking terrifying alpha strike.
John Watson
Heya, new player here, havent to play a game yet because nobody plays this game at all. But Heres my 35 pnt skirmish list! System: Warmachine Faction: Convergence of Cyriss Casters: 1/1 Points: 35/35 Forge Master Syntherion (*6pts) * Corollary (3pts) * Galvanizer (3pts) * Mitigator (4pts) * Cipher (9pts) Clockwork Angels (Leader and 2 Grunts) (3pts) * Transverse Enumerator (2pts) Eradicators (Leader and 4 Grunts) (9pts) * Transverse Enumerator (2pts) Reductors (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts
Julian Jenkins
On one hand I'm always excited for new stuff, but on the other hand it sounds like PP has a weird fixation for certain Legion units like Archangels and Grotesques that makes me a bit wary.
Jaxon Collins
Way too much infantry. Syntherion basically does nothing for infantry, and does everything for warjacks.
Based on your list, you'd be better off running Lucant or Axis. Both will support the infantry much better.
UA on the Clockwork angels doesn't do much. can't keep up, rerolls aren't super worth it, Angels have no problem with command.
For a base list, I'd lose the Angel UA, drop the Reductors to minimum, and change the Mitigator to a Diffuser With those six points, I'd pick up two Engima Foundries, or a single foundry, a unit of Attunement Servitors, and maybe an ADO.
I'd also wait two months for the new edition to drop.
Grayson Martinez
It's better to think of the Grot solo as a MK3 release that just got released early, rather than an initial release that got followed up when players didn't do anything with it.
Gavin Sanchez
Where the fuck do I find fluff stories? Are they all in the expansion books? I read some showdown between Vyros and Goreshade where Senor Eldritch gloats about stealing Nyssor's powers and his plan to bring Ios salvation before running off cackling with villainous glee, and now I'm confused as to where the fluff exists and how to place it on the timeline.
Colton Nguyen
The books come with a building storyline, released with each book. So from the original books of Mk1 all the way to the current timeline has been one long story. Well, more like several stories in one long timeline.
Gabriel Fisher
Yes they are in various expansions as well as faction books or older MkI fiction if you want things like Goreshade fighting Vaeril the Wise/Stealing Voass.
The showdown you referenced happened prior point 1 under the Retribution section for that picture.
Dylan Harris
I get the wariness, I kind of worry that the faction's moving more and more towards bodyhorror could be to leave the new hordes faction with more of a traditional dragon theme
Xavier Martin
>Kallus >Body horror Joking aside, I'd be happy if, as Everblight gathers strength, his units begin to morph further and further into mutant dragon spawn. I would actually buy into Legion if that happened.
Christian Campbell
Tell me about House Shyeel, Veeky Forums. As much as I love the looks of House Nyarr/the Dawnguard, they seem like pretty standard pic related fare. I want to know more about the guys who specialize in the arts of giant robots and fist magic.
Sebastian Kelly
Honestly it's just the P3 solid gold being an awkward little bitch.
Aaron Hall
What do you need to know? Shyeel basically boils down to mages and mechanics. They specialize in force related spells that move things and build the forcefield jacks.
Parker Reyes
>Arkadius' needle got some nifty upgrades, and he doesn't just stick enemy models with them anymore. I mean, one of his options is to fill one of his own warbeasts with Raw Adrenaline, which reads: If a living warbeast is damaged by an attack with this weapon, all attack and damage rolls resulting from its next basic attack this turn are boosted.
Isaac Gutierrez
Just curious if there's any fluff regarding their philosophy or subculture. Rahn is the only Shyeel 'caster I'm aware of, and apparently he's a self-centered prick there to claim personal glory - is that all there is to it?
Liam Jenkins
>ravagores are getting 4" aoe THE. HORROR.
Jaxson Rogers
not really up on my elves but gimme a bit and I'll skim through the books for you
Parker Robinson
If they keep the scather.
Well... Get fucked, Banes.
Joseph Gray
>that Eyeless Sight nerf Once again Skorne gets fucked because stupid fucking dragons got too many toys
Isaac Hernandez
Houses Nyarr and Shyeel have for years made little effort to hide their quiet support of the Retribution. Minor sympathies for Ios’ fringe religious sects are not uncommon in political circles—many high-ranking nobles have such leanings. Most houses would draw the line, however, at agreeing to an open and full alliance with the Retribution, which is exactly what Houses Nyarr and Shyeel have recently done. They have even gone so far as to take the unprecedented step of allocating the majority of their military assets to Retribution service. The truth is that these two hallytyr have been more tightly linked to the Retribution than their peers ever realized. For decades they have secretly provided both financial and military assistance to the organization. These houses decided long ago that true change in Ios would require extreme measures. As the political creatures they are, the respective leaders of these houses have kept their motives to themselves. These men are not given to zealotry or religious fervor; it is generally accepted that House Nyarr and House Shyeel back the Retribution for pragmatic rather than religious reasons. It is not that their leaders are thought to dismiss Scyrah’s condition or ignore the gravity of the status of the vanished gods, but pursuing such lofty mysteries is clearly not their primary motive for pushing the Retribution agenda.
Those who succeed in leading the cause of salvation will reap great rewards. The political clout brought by the unquestioning support of the people could facilitate the transformation of Iosan society and even the dissolution of the Consulate Court. This is a gamble to which House Nyarr and House Shyeel have committed all their considerable resources. Should the Retribution cause continue to spread among the population, the other hallytyr may feel forced to follow their example or be left powerless in the expected new order.