MTG Modern General

Uhhhhhh. Shit. So it's not. That slot is now a grim lavamancer I guess. Until I find a suitable replacement.

What made you think that TNN would be Modern legal, and why the hell would you only put 1 of them in your deck if it was?

In modern Delver
12-14 creatures
18-20 land
26-30 instants and sorceries

You want in those instants and sorceries
4 remand
4 mana leak/spell pierce
2 spell snare
4 Serum Visions
4 gitaxian probe

The deck was given to me by a friend who used to be very competitive and drive around playing in different states before he had a baby/got a job. The 1 of true-name was in there. He said the deck was left overs and a bit of filler but it would be fine for casual play. I've changed a few cards over time but true-name was always a fucking bomb when I drew it so I didn't take it out. It had a modern border so I assumed it was modern legal

I guess I should mention I haven't spent a penny on the deck so far, everything there is either opened or traded for (or was given for free)

Why bother with a hardened scales deck if most of your cards have nothing to do with +1/+1 counters? None of your creatures ETB with counters on them, the only cards you even have that put counters on are Ajani, Dromoka's command (on one creature), and gavony township (which costs a lot of mana). You're essentially hoping that first of all you draw your hardened scales, then you draw one of your...9? Potential cards that place counters on creatures. Squadron Hawk doesn't even make sense, you're valuing it way too high just because it was in Cawblade. Bobs are going to tear you up with no real ways to regain life aside from finks (and ajani if you want that card to be even more worthless in that deck). It feels like a kitchen table deck where you throw in your favorite cards, but it can't decide if it wants to be weenie aggro, pseudo control, or midgame "swing for 30".

If you want to turn it into a more green stompy deck while remaining cheap, cut the hardened scales and ajani, replace them with overruns and more good creatures. If you want to stay abzan midrangey, pick up some of the abzan staples like siege rhino and anafenza. If you're going for control, just start again from scratch.

Thats why im looking for help because im not very good at deckbuilding in modern, but I still want to do this. I don't want to play Abzan midrange because ive done it before, but I do want to be able to take games off of people

The idea was to make it resilient until I could find an Ajani, Gavony township and then do the midgame swing for 30 thing. Having no real way in Abzan colours to control until that point, I included generic disruption and removal. I couldn't think of a way to do it before t4-5 though. I could easily see the deck being btfo by an aggro-control deck or living end, which is why I thought they would be an ok idea, though admittedly they were a spur of the moment inclusion

Ill try again

Creatures
4x Experiment One
4x Gyre Sage
4x Tarmogoyf
2x another undying creature
3x Kitchen Finks
2x Anafenza

Enchantments/walkers
4x Hardened Scales
2x Liliana of the Veil

Instant/sorcery
4x Path to Exile
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Thoughtseize
1x Murderous Cut
1x Dismember

4x Gavony Township

Ditch all the creatures you have except the Nobles
Cut black from deck, go G/W
Add more dromokas command
Add a tribal-humans shell;

4 champion of the parish
4 thalias lieutenant

maybe 1 Mayor of avabruck (the whole deck is humans)
maybe 1 Kytheon (he's a 2/1 1 mana human PLANESWALKER op)

For more creatures with counters;
4 experiment one (this with the parish/lieutenant package is op)
4 servant of the scale (filler)
2 simic initiate (more filler)
1 Mikaeus, the Lunarch (seems cool)

dude how are you trying to build a deck around hardened scales without including creatures that use counters?

scavenging ooze should be auto-include.
more counters cards:
llanowar reborn
servant of the scale
quirion dryad if you stay junk colors
varolz
corpsejack menace
gilder bairn
hunger of the howlpack
strangleroot geist

Also four township seems like too much, especially for a three-color deck

On second thought, you could run 2 mayor easily, the card is value.
2-4 dromokas, maybe run 2 since w/o creatures on the board it has little value.
2 Ajani seems best, 4 cmc is slow and doubles are bad. Maybe even 1 and a newNissa, since 2 ajanis in hand might feel bad.

I would experiment with Avatar of the resolute, maybe as a 1 of, but he isn't human and might be win-more. That said he is a base 3/2 for 2 in zoo, with goodies (trample and reach. and maybe huge counters) if flinthoof boar can make the cut then this guy can too.

2 gavony is where you wanna be, don't muddle your mana too much for it

Also, tireless tracker is a fucking beast, you really have to play him to see his power.

As long as we're posting Modern decklists:

3 Adarkar Wastes
4 Boomerang
4 Cryptic Command
3 Curse of Exhaustion
2 Day's Undoing
4 Ebony Owl Netsuke
4 Eye of Nowhere
3 Fevered Visions
4 Flooded Strand
4 Hallowed Fountain
4 Howling Mine
4 Island
4 Remand
2 Runeflare Trap
1 Sacred Foundry
4 Silence
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Steam Vents

Sideboard:

4 Dawn Charm
4 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Rest in Peace
4 Supreme Verdict

Basic idea is to make the opponent draw a ton, bounce their lands and counter their spells, and make them die to Ebony Owl Netsuke and Fevered Visions, with Runeflare Trap as backup.

Looks fun, might lose to burn with so much bounce & not much permanent removal

Reprints? This isn't yugioh.

Is it possible to be good in Modern with mono red burn?

Best fakes maker? I'm not paying that much for fetches or goblin guide.

Then just go away

Modern is a rich people's club. So get out poorfag.

That lil guy's adorable.
That is all.

I'm gonna be honest, no.

Strict red burn is hated out easily with Leyline of Sanctity and various other common sideboard cards. Burn needs to have a creature base to get there in Modern.

Who runs Leyline besides Ad Nauseam again?

Sideboard it in bw tokens.

Oh. Then no modern for me. Thanks!

Run that goblin that does 2 damage to everyone when you cast a spell. Leyline won't stop it.

Every format is a rich man's format except Pauper.

And the pauper generals I make get to 3 posts and die. No one cares.

That would be goblin guide. 57 bucks a pop.

Maybe Adaptive Automaton? At least considering it because it's a built in lord.

nigga that's guttersnipe you dumbass motherfucker

No. He's talking Guttersnipe you idiot. It's like 50 cents at most.

Thoughts on this sub 300 dollar Goblins deck going 5-0?

Might build it since Naya Burn isn't fun looking at all and is expensive.

Looks great user.

dont listen to them user. you wont win a grand prix but you can build a mono red burn deck and win some games at your fnm. the only card that burn cant beat is leyline of sanctity and only some decks run it in the sideboard. and even if they cast it you can include creatures like monastery swiftspear, hellspark elemental, and keldon marauders so that you dont totally fold to it.

this is a good build of it

mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-67-13-tix-modern-mono-red-burn

Fuck.
mtggoldfish.com/deck/409810#paper

That deck is shit and he shouldn't bother.

No worries, it happens.

its not tier 1 or 2 but it can definitely win some games. stop being a pooper senpai

Why waste your money so you can waste your time and go 0-3 drop?

Stop posting

You'll get sick of this after 4 or 5 games. If you wanna play budget, play pauper.

you can get a goblin guide for 30 dollars

play boros burn with battlefield forges and whichever cheap red white dual you can find

you get access to boros charm, lightning helix, enchantment hate with wear//tear, kor firewalker if you're confident you can get double white, it's all good shit and doesn't increase the price drastically.

Reprints? For modern?
You realize you're living in a format of mismatched mistakes, no?

>12-14 creatures
you need 14, no more no less for some reason it just works
>18-20 land
i've dipped down to 17 including a one of wandering fumarole and it works fine

Holy shit what a deal.

No. If you want mono-red, play Legacy. Burn in Legacy It's also true Burn and not a strain of Naya Zoo.

I think splashing green is stupid anyways. I'll make a mostly red boros burn deck whenever I can afford all those fucking lands and all those fucking Goblin Guides and Eidloin of the great revel.

Fucking modern. I have a pauper burn, which is a start, but 99% of the cost are the lands and the guides.

plebs
you can get a Goblin Guide for €20 in Europe

Uh... modern Naya Burn IS Burn in Legacy. Go look at the top decks. Direct copies of Modern Naya Burn.

Not really. Some of them might play two colors but full on Naya isn't common. And it doesn't need to be because Legacy Burn has access to a lot of cool toys like Fireblast, Sulfuric Vortex and Price of Progress that make it work. Some people don't even use Goblin Guide, they just shove more burn in there.

No green use this and take out the green lands and replace with mountains. Take out the green cards (artifacts will fuck you and I don't know another card for artifact removal)

4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Boros Charm
2 Deflecting Palm
4 Destructive Revelry
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
2 Exquisite Firecraft
4 Goblin Guide
2 Grim Lavamancer
4 Lava Spike
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Lightning Helix
1 Molten Rain
4 Monastery Swiftspear
5 Mountain
1 Path to Exile
1 Pillar of Flame
4 Rift Bolt
3 Sacred Foundry
4 Searing Blaze
4 Skullcrack
1 Stomping Ground
4 Tormod's Crypt
1 Wear
2 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills

Finding legacy players though lol.

Why are we arguing over what is the "best" Burn deck. The deck is about redundancy and maximum efficiency. There is no perfectly consistent deck in Magic but Burn and it's variants come as close as you can get. One is obviously better than the other in one matchup but weaker than the other in another.

They're all the fucking same. Who cares if one plays Green and one doesn't. Or one uses Sulfuric Vortex in the main while another uses it in the side.

Burn is a full playset each of around 20 cards. You pick 9 and 4 for the sideboard depending on personal preference or metagame and just run with it. There's no wrong way to build the deck so long as you adhere to it's basic principle of racing harder on a turn-based clock than any other deck in the game.

>artifacts will fuck you and I don't know another card for artifact removal
Ingot chewer
Shatterstorm
Smash to Smithereens
New Nahiri :^)

Because it's actual discussion instead of mindless shitposting about gay lumberjacks. And it really isn't different from the discussion about most of the decks in the format, the only difference being that it's about burn spells instead of value creatures.

Forgot about smash to smithereens.

I'll aim for this deck, maybe find some other lands. What would be a good replacement for Goblin Guide? Think the new fakes would fool my local TGS?

Hopefully splashing white will make it better, the only green cards I'll miss is the questionable Wold Nactylcclallcl and A. Command.

I wonder why Boros Burn isn't a thing.

>Think the new fakes would fool my local TGS?
A lot of it depends on whether or not you're on good terms with the people there. If you're friendly and don't draw attention to the fact that you're running fakes, there's a good chance nobody will care. Even if the owner knows about it, if he's your friend there's a good chance he'll just wave it off as "I never bothered checking his cards so I didn't know he was using counterfeits" if anyone asks.

The same could be said about most fakes throughout MTG history. Unless they're really shitty fakes that are dead obvious, most people aren't going to be checking every single person they play against. How you carry yourself matters a lot more. So basically don't go bitching about how much modern costs one week, then show up next week with 1200 dollars worth of cards and pretend like you pulled that money out of your ass somehow.

But it's not actual discussion. One guy is saying he doesn't like Green, another guy is saying things like "if you can get double white to play Kor Firewalker", and someone else is just shitting on the Modern variant and claiming Legacy is better and someone points out that the Legacy version is more or less the Modern version.

Of all the decks in this entire game that people bitch and moan about regarding value, Burn is the one deck that is so fucking good no matter how "badly" you build it that there's no reason to shit on someone else's opinion on how to play or build the deck.

Look, I don't care, I'm just pointing out that the deck is more about about personal preferences at this point because we're more or less reached peak efficiency as far as cards go. If you want to Nacatl someone go for it; if you don't, that's fine too. If you're poor and just want to substitute Incinerate or Flames of the Blood Hand there's nothing wrong with that either. I played 4-color Burn when Treasure Cruise was legal, there was Rakdos Charm and Geist of Saint Traft in the sideboard; Bump in the Night in the main. I didn't care that I lost efficiency points against "legitimate" burn decks by fetching myself lower than Jund, it was just fun playing a board of silver bullets.

>"if you can get double white to play Kor Firewalker"
i said to play boros burn and that it gives you a wide variety of cards including kor firewalker, which would obviously be a sideboard card in the mirror.

>I wonder why Boros Burn isn't a thing.
because atarkas command is the only card that allows burn to win on turn 3

With a time machine you could get him for a buck.

so...30 dollars?

My beef with your statement about Firewalker is the "if you can get double white" part. Of course you can get double white. Anybody can get double white; the deck can run 12 or more fetches and all the Sacred Foundries it wants. The statement is meaningless.

A statement that matters is explaining whether the player wants to risk burning themselves down to fetch shocks to play Firewalker on time because it just might kill them against the deck they want to bring Firewalker in against, namely the burn mirror. Or consider you might not cast Firewalker on time, which renders it worse than a more pro-active card. Or post any number of other reasons or risks to play the card.

I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just saying that you didn't give any reasons to backup your suggestions especially when the person you're responding to sounds really fucking poor and won't be able afford to the land base to effectively play Kor Firewalker even if they wanted to. They're certainly not going to have the confidence.

I never really noticed, but this card is 100% broken.

Yeah the "and reach" part threw me off when I was reading the DTK spoilers, I didn't realize until a bit later how much reach it gives aggro decks.

explain

it's a pun user

saying a burn deck has reach means that the deck has the ability to finish off the opponent, typically when the board starts to stabilize and burn is stalling, getting one last lightning bolt or boros charm off for that last bit of damage is "reach"

god damn it

See, now you're discussing burn too.

;^)

Playing more than 1 color is a mistake in burn. Being immune to wasteland is more important than having access to cards which are the same as cards you have in monored. Why run boros charm when you can run price of progress and flame rift?

Also being able to play 4 barbarian rings is tech.

That sensation when your guide gets pathed early and you have 4 land on turn 3.

>price of progress
>modern

user, I...want it to be legal because it would be a massive deterrent to greedy manabases and would be a huge step towards eventually reducing the price of modern, solely for the lands

However that said it would make burn an instant tier 0 deck and Wizards won't reprint it anyways

I was talking about legacy. Modern "burn" is just Spell Zoo.

If they want to punish greedy mana, giving turbo moon more support would work.

Every deck with white in it?

No? UWx control doesn't run it, Junk doesn't run it, CoCo variants don't run it, 5color Scapeshift doesn't run it, D&T/Hatebears doesn't run it, Soul Sisters doesn't run it. Only "deck" I can come up with on the spot that plays it is Enchantment Prison, which sucks ass.
Tier 100 but ok.

I agree. There is no current Burn in tier 1, 2, or 3. It's zoo with some burn spells.

>Do you think Abzan Company has a ban in its future?
Lol what? What for?

>ban chord
it costs a fuckton of mana or requires heavy investment to board. chord is fine. collected company, on the other hand, is 6 mana across two bodies for 4 mana at instant speed. that card would be the ban target if anything.

that being said i don't play melira chord, but i'd probably sell out of the format if they continued that 'ban every deck that does well' meme

Leave

No.

Trash

>SotM will never be below $10 again

Annual rotation ("ban updates") demands victims after bloom, twin, pod and eldrazi. It has turn 3 nut draws with one coco hitting combo pieces a and b while still being a good value midrange deck without going off.

If they really want to shake up the format, they can just ban Tarmogoyf. They can even use the same bullshit excuse they did for Nacatl since it's pretty much an auto-include in almost every deck with green.

Should I feel bad I'm thinking about using fakes in my deck for fetch lands.

Why isn't Burn a thing in modern? Naya Burn isn't a burn deck.

Nacatl isn't banned retard.

But it was, retard.

But it's not, dingbat.

That's not relevant, are you incapable of reading? The point is that they can use the excuse they used when they banned Nacatl to ban Tarmogoyf now.

2nd time in a row this cheap Goblins deck has gone 5-0. You still deny it's a tier one deck?

mtggoldfish.com/deck/409810#paper

I go 5-0 regularly with Soul Sisters. That doesn't make the deck tier 1. It makes my lgs casual/non competitive.

So I bought some Arcbound Ravagers about one or two years ago, and now I see they have risen in prise with more than 100%. And the rise seemed to happen in a plateau kind of way during the release of Magic Origins. Why is this?

My best guess is because of Hangbarback Walker since the cards are similar, but even so they don't seem to get played together other than in Vintage. Even so the Ravager price seems to be rising anyway. Is it just jew speculation? Or did Affinity decks just spike in popularity?

Not that I'm looking to sell, I'm just curious. Because the composition of Affinity decks don't seem to have changed at all post-origins, yet the price of the Ravager skyrocketed.

Graph from tcgplayer showcasing said price change. It was almost instant

Are there any format staples that play her? I've got most of the big stuff to slip in from edh but it seems awfully slow.