I'm no fan of the Tau...

And that nullifies the fact that daemons are scarier than space marines how?

Even if they knew how, the race would have to have an Emperor to provide the original geneseed.

If you take geneseed from some faggot Ethereal rather than the Emperor or a Primarch you end up with a worthless piece of shit.

There are renegade Space Marines that aren't Chaos worshipers, they are just rare because Marine Hypnotherapy tends to hold up against most other things. That love for the Emperor usually either remains in place or completely inverts into hatred, it's very rare for it to simply fade or vanish, unless you're playing one of the FFG rpgs or something.

Such marines find themselves on hunted and on the run, or in the employ of rogue traders or even Tau, though there's still the anti-xenos indoctrination.

Still, Tau are quite reasonable and open to diplomacy. Such space marines are few and far between, though. They're more likely to be fielded as a Gue'vesa hero than a squad or company of marines.

Knights seem like lords, and seem as corruptible as any planetary governor, as long as Tau could replace the forgeworld support. I think they'd be way easier to sway, but i think the Tau would be more hesitant to let an alien retain that much power.

>I think they're a bunch of blueberries that need to get the fuck out of my unrepetently grimdark universe,

Just remember that there is no way for the Tau to survive the 40k galaxy in the long term in their current form. The winner of the Imperium vs Nid fighting will wipe out the Tau, unless some 4th party wipes both out. But that 4th party has no reason to leave the Tau alone.

> Space Marines are the most insanely scary shit they've encountered, right?
Space Marines just kill. That's less scary than things like CSMs, daemons, what the Dark Eldar do to captives, etc
In some ways Space Marines are less scary than the Kroot. A Space Marine will just kill you. A Kroot will kill you, eat you, then their children will gain your strengths.

Could the Tau feasibly produce their own Tau-exclusive geneseed? Or at least reliably produce their own Space Marines? How?
A chapter turns renegade and sides with the Tau for some reason*. The chapter brings along enough gear/knowledge that the Tau can keep the chapter producing new Space Marines from Tau controlled human populations.

Problem is that the Tau might not be happy with how independent that chapter wants to be.

*Maybe deciding that aligning themselves with the Tau means they will live longer than going it alone.

Yeah - Space Marines usually want an entire world to themselves exempt from taxes, rarely listen to outside orders and instead act on their own initiative, and rarely act as anything more than a cleansing sword, not worrying too much about causalities or infrastructure destruction.

And those are the loyalist ones, with long lineages and ideas of duty and honor. Renegades will have broken almost completely with all of that, and they won't take kindly to the Tau trying to push them around in any sense.

It's sad, because I would enjoy more chapters that went renegade and turned towards xenos heresy instead of Chaos heresy. There's some renegade chapter that did do that, but I can't find their name, and they're one out of a couple hundred.

Is there any Canon source, or sorta canon source that has Space Marines in the service of Tau? Sounds pretty interesting.

No, because that's silly. And not the fun kind of silly.

However, there is the Dornian Heresy from Bolter & Chainsword, a fan setting where the heresy was reversed, and in particular, Robot Gorillaman split off Ultima Segmentum calling it Ultramar Segmentum. and incorporated Tau tech into his Marine's armor.

>but that would likely take centuries to get anywhere close to SM levels of development.
Remember, Tau in 40k are the humans of the average Sci-fi setting. They advance in technology much faster because of their shorter lifespans.

>Space Marines are the most insanely scary shit they've encountered, right?

HAHAHA. Space marines are one of the least scary encounters out of any 40k race. Tyranids, Orks, Dark Eldar, Necrons/C'tan, Chaos are all scarier.

>The reason every race doesn't have space marines is because the process was invented by the Emperor of Mankind. The alien races WANT to know how he did it but none of them have been able to reverse engineer the process.

LEL everyone already knows how to do that and they do it more effectively than humans. Space marines are highly defective experiments with a 50% failure rate. Dark Eldar and Tyranids are masters of genetic engineering and experimentation. Tau aren't as good as DE or Tyranids, but they can do it without having their experiments buff the armies of Chaos. Orks don't want it, Eldar don't need it. Emprah skeleton breeds faggets and failures.

Between the Beast Arises books, and the Black Crusade #13, and the trailer for Dawn of War III, the universe is currently liberally covered with heaps of dead people. It stands to reason that some overburdened apothecary would start shoveling armfuls of geneseed lumps into stasis boxes at some point or another. He just doesn't care anymore, he's trapped in a some grotesque version of "I Love Lucy- the chocolate packager conveyor belt" scene, and he's gotta keep the quarter-pounders fresh somehow.

Being fair, if a Chapter or even a large enough subset of a chapter went rogue and needed a safe haven, Tau space is possibly one of the best options. They have the resources and tech to support Space Marines, and they'd be more than willing to trade for the military support they could offer. Given the flexible nature of the Tau, they might even allow them to avoid fighting other Imperial forces where possible.

Of course, as far as we know this hasn't happened yet, but I don't think it's entirely unfeasible that it could.

>Orks don't want it

It's not that orks don't -want- it it's that they -are- it. They were originally a genetically created super soldier race that fell from grace after their masters disappeared, remember?

No reason to improve on perfection, after all.

>Just remember that there is no way for the Tau to survive the 40k galaxy in the long term in their current form.

Just remember that there is no long-term in 40k. You can speculate all the fuck you like about how X wouldn't last in the long run, but the setting isn't going that way, and Games Workshop give very few shits about the setting compared to sales of miniatures. If the Tau continue to sell, their position in 40k is assured. If the Tau don't sell well, they're on shaky ground.

Trying to justify whether or not it makes sense for the Tau to still be around in the long term in the setting based on anything other than "sales of miniatures" is missing the core thing that drives the decisions about the game setting.

Get a load of this heretic.

First up, why spend 20+ years growing a space marine, when you can stick any moderately skilled trooper in a battlesuit that provides equivalent protection and that you can mass produce?

Secondly, I could see the Tau allying with a renegade SM force like the Reasonable Marines and providing assistance in reproducing the geneseed to replenish their ranks...but making their own SMs from scratch? I don't think it's likely.

It's unlikely because it's largely inefficient.

But yes, an individual rogue marine or renegade chapter could conceivably seek or be offered asylum within the Tau Empire, and possibly have it granted.

>But again, Neophytes- Forward Scouts- are not subject to hypnotherapy, and yet have received the gene and organ implants.

Neophytes are in the process of receiving their implants and indoctrination. Scouts have the full set, they're just waiting for the black carapace to mature.

Retconned. The big E now got that info from a deal with chaos. He also failed to try and not have to pay up, they did a lot more than bust his kneecaps.

They didn't join the Tau, but the Chaos Codex has a blurb about a chapter going full independent without the sway of Chaos.

It would be too far of a jump, if they were close enough to the Tau Empire, to become some level of vassal in exchange for weapons/support. Maybe they have to second a company into rotation depending on where the fighting is hottest.

Renegade marines with Pulse Carbines seems like fun.

Alternatively, if I were to go full over the top 40k Mary sue conspiracy theory doughnut steel: one of the most legions fled into the Warp. Through Warp time dickery and a dash of "just as planned" they emerge millennia later. Not recognizing the Imperium after 10,000 years of changes, they throw their lot in with the Greater Good that more closely resembles the Imperial Truth they once served.

OC. Doughnut Steele.

>The big E now got that info from a deal with chaos. He also failed to try and not have to pay up, they did a lot more than bust his kneecaps.

According to a Lord of Change attempting to corrupt Horus, which are totally bastions of truth and veracity.

Why does nearly every 40k fanfiction involve making other races more like space marines? Marines are half the player base already.

I believe most chapters would rather go in alone than force to ally with xenos.

I believe most chapters pushed to that point or go renegade would raid tau outposts rather than try to form an alliance

I believe the tau wouldn't want to trade with marines because the only thing the marines could offer is fighting capability and I trusting renegade marines is something most tau should be weary of.

I believe tau wouldn't risk giving tech to marines in the first place.

Basically trusting marines/giving tech is just a huge liability. Marines would rarely be forced in a position to want to ally with xenos. (even in desperation they would probably rather die or join chaos)

retards want to play space marines, but they also want to avoid the hate space marines get for being popular

ALTERNATIVELY, they want to "stick it to the man" and piss off those asshole space marine players... by playing space marines.

Pretty sure your talking about the McGuffin the Emperor needed to create the Primarchs. Which was then used to create the Space Marines.

Non-the-less it means that alien races would need both the Emperor's knowledge AND Chaos's help to create a Space Marine project.

>That love for the Emperor usually either remains in place or completely inverts into hatred, it's very rare for it to simply fade or vanish
I'm not sure if the Tau force gue'vasa to convert, actually. They might still worship the Emperor, they just believe that the Imperium has forsaken his ideals and that the Tau Empire is closer to his original vision.

>dat pic
what the fug, bud

>namefag
>obvious bait
>is trying to be cute with stuff like *snigger " typed into the post

1/10, got me to reply

Whatever version of the Imperial Creed Tau aligned humans follow would almost certainly be declared heretical.

>They'd be weaker than human Space Marines since the base Tau warrior is so weak

but tau have different castes right? and castes have physiological differences just pick the best cast for spess mreens

is it fire caste that are strong fighters?

also having the ability to produce better soldiers doesn't sound like a drawback

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Fire Caste are SMART fighters (usually), not strong fighters. They are the toughest physically speaking of the castes but even their biggest gainz are about equivalent to your average Guardsman, maybe a little better.

>Implying

A trained Tau (picture related) can match Eldar

>Discussing Fire Caste
>Posting a picture of the fightiest Ethereal

I see where you're going with that but the idea still stands. Aun'Shi is an outlier and the majority of Fire Caste aren't gonna stand up well to physical combat. Aun'Shi, Farsight maybe, couple others possibly.

Since breeding in the Tau empire is highly regulated, it could be possible for them to breed particular physical traits over time to accentuate strength and agility, then use that as a base for geneseed modification.

It would take time though, if done conventionally.

It's about as likely as the Tau fully allying with the Necrons so they can get some sweet necrodermis bodies to biotransfer into.

That would be pretty cool, actually.

Renegade Space Marines wouldn't join the Tau. Hatred of xenos is deeply ingrained in all Astartes, to the point that even Chaos Space Marines view them as scum to be killed unless they can use them to further their plots. Otherwise even CHAOS finds Xenos revolting.

>Space marines are highly defective experiments with a 50% failure rate.
Wat

Space Marines do not have a 50% failure rate, otherwise they would have mathematically gone extinct within the first century.

Yeah, unless they got over that, too. I said they'd be rare.

They wouldn't be rare. They'd be nonexistent. There is no such thing as xenos-hugging chapters or renegades.

>Tau
>weak
>Literally the same strength as purposefully created warrior race space gorillas

S3 covers a wide range. Going from S3 isn't just "+1 Strength", it's the difference between a scrawny teenager and being able to rip the hatches off tanks.

I think he's talking more about their loyalty to the Emprah and ability to not turn to Chaos like a fucking retard

This. Strength 3 covers the entire available range of natural human strength from whatever your average Veeky Forums-dwelling scrawny/doughy neckbeard can lift, all the way up to jacked professional weightlifters.

Strength 4 is "I use my free hand to hurl the SUV off the road while shooting a .75 calibre weapon on full-auto with my other hand".

>Tyranids are masters of genetic engineering
>The species that loses space battles to orks are masters of genetic engineering

Also Fabius Bile knows far more about biology than anyone short of a handful of Dark Eldar. Tau are nowhere near the level of humanity when it comes to any real technology, much less genetic engineering.

Yeah, all Space Marines kill Xenos on sight, and that would apply even to those renegades who have willingly left the Imperium or stopped loving the Emperor without turning to Chaos.

A rogue Astartes working with or for Tau is completely impossible under any circumstance, because all Marines are so zealotously Anti-Xeno.

>>The species that loses space battles to orks are masters of genetic engineering
>Cruddex fluff

I always imagined melee S3 as something that could kill you if you were left without medical attention, like a stab wound
S4 as something that could rip a limb from you or dent a light tank
S6 would bisect/explode a human being
S7 would pack the same punch as a tank shell
S8 could bisect a tank

I always have problems imagining S5, both melee and ranged.

What's the picture from? Isn't Dorn the Imperial Fists' Primarch?

To be fair, the point of the Ghorala story was to showcase the Tyranids' ability to come back from basically nothing.
And there's no shame in being beaten by the best.

Whatever happened to reading comprehension and context?

There is a fan made mirror universe called the Dornian Heresy. The premise is that Dorn was turned to Chaos instead of Horus, and the Loyalists and Traitors are reversed from normal.
You've got calm, sane World Eaters, and Khorne powered Space Wolves, Thousand Sons that got what they wanted at the Council of Nikea, and Nurgle infected Blood Angels, and so on.
Most of it was worked out, but the guy behind it all disappeared a few years ago, and no one's been able to get in touch with him.
Half of it was collected before that, but the other half is just sitting on the forums.

Not working for the Tau, but there was one time the Ultramarines teamed up with them against the Necrons. After the battle they intentionally let the Tau evacuate the planet before the Exterminatus.

Damn,this is fucking cool. Thanks for sharing,user.

I wonder what the Tau will create when they fully clash with Chaos

>Blood Ravens and Ultramarines become enemies since their xenowaifus get them to fight
>It is revealed that this was the plan of the xenos all along

>Orks
>Scarier than space marines

>allying temporarily with unstopable murder robots for a single conflict
>enslaving yourself to a race which will kill you the second it suits them, offers no wealth, power and status, has uncompatible technology and only some of it is better than the Imperiums
That's totally comparable

...

>they just believe that the Imperium has forsaken his ideals and that the Tau Empire is closer to his original vision.

So, where does the whole "Xenos indisputably rule over humanity and all humans that have been indoctrinated into their new roles serve as third-class citizens" thing fit in with the Big E's original vision?

Ethereals are literally Ubermensch among Tau, still not that impressive physically when compared to a well-fed and exercised Imperial, do not take modern Earth baselines as standard for Imperial baselines, they were all about incremental changes to the human norm on a wide scale back when the Men of Gold project ultimately failed.

>implying

>they were all about incremental changes to the human norm on a wide scale back when the Men of Gold project ultimately failed.

FFG's Only War says that IG can deadlift only 75 KG.

I can lift more than that

GW and FFG are literally retarded half the time, especially when numbers are involved.

>Space Marines are the most insanely scary shit they've encountered, right?

Pretty sure they've encountered Dark Eldar and Necrons, the first being weird and fucked up jumping around in spandex and Necrons being Necrons.

Like others have said, base Tau warriors are weak so they'd be weaker than human space marines anyway. And space marine geneseed is also shit the Emperor made and doesn't even work on women, so there's little chance it'd work on the Tau. And considering it's ancient by 40k standards (and probably based on even more ancient DAoT shit) there's no shot in hell of the Tau reverse engineering it. The Tau aren't that advanced. They've just got good guns, but even the Imperium could kill them if it wasn't for absurd levels of plot armor.

During the DAoT humans were able to live side by side with Eldar, they were essentially like gods given some of the descriptions of the tech humans had. Tau aren't even near that level yet. Nor would controlling a human with pheromones work since humans don't have those receptors. It's like asking if an animal on Earth can make a human obey them by using pheromones. If there's no receptors there to process all that, it doesn't work.

And FFG is not canon. They said it themselves. Not to mention putting averages on IG is retarded.

>Could the Tau feasibly produce their own Tau-exclusive geneseed?

Tau biotech is worse than high-end Magos Biologis science which is worse than Great Crusade Mechanicum bioscience who could not fully grasp the processes that went behind the Space Marines. So no, at best they could create a drastically inferior supersoldier, which probably wouldn't be the best idea anyway considering the Battlesuit project can bring elite Fire Warriors to Tactical Marine level (almost).

It'd be easier to produce a new XV2 series suit designed for frontline combat, and more practical to stay focused on ranged combat and heightened mobility instead.

>complaining about plot armor
>when space marines are literally made of plot armor

Spuce Maroons have plot armor, but they don't have the Super-DeusExMachina-Diamantium-TheseAreNotTheDroidsYouAreLookingFor-TheTyranidsareaThingGuise alloyed plot armor of the Tau.

I disagree.

Space marines have more plotarmor

It's strictly handled differently between the two factions. Both have their really bad cases of plot armour but usually the Astartes end up engaging in last stands or desperate charges. Tau, on the other hand, while mostly fine until the new Warzone Damocles book are currently throwing everyone around with asspulls and an utterly infuriating amount of narrator bias. Seriously, anyone who's read the books could make a drinking game over how many times the Tau are called advanced, geniuses or all-around awesome while the Imperials are compared to hot shit on a plate in the descriptions.

>the only faction that uses tactics that have advanced beyond the WW2 mindset
>one of the few factions that almost completely eschews melee in favor of just staying away and shooting the other guy
>pretty sure it's the only faction that doesn't need warpy space magic to justify its battlefield tactics
>combat doctrine involves hitting supply lines, adequate use of stealth and not just throwing waves of soldiers at something until none of the enemy is left
>"wtf these guys just have plot armor"

Space marines make sense in the world of 40k. They're big, genetically related to primarchs (who the Emperor made by using warp shit and biological engineering from the DAoT), etc. So, I can believe they're that powerful and succeed where others may not. Especially when it's likely the Emperor can even aid with his powers at times. It's not realistic to our reality, but in the reality of 40k they make sense.

The Tau don't. At all. The justifications for how they exist and do things would've gotten them wiped out a long time ago. It's literally boiling down to "Tau don't lose because they just don't and we wanna appeal to the weeb audience". Now, if the Tau acted more like Commander Farsight and had more of an edge to them that allowed them to not play naive and innocent when they want, but also somehow win against races bred for war? They'd make sense. But most of the Tau aren't like the enclaves, so their existence is unjustified entirely. And GW apparently refuses to write convincing stories that make them make sense.

You are leaving out the entire thing where a a proper Imperial Hive-world has more people on it than the Tau have as a species.

The Imperium could quite literally cover every inch of every Tau world in several dozen meters of corpses, if only they weren't constantly fighting more important battles, and if only there wasn't a Tyranid Swarm that just happens to be in the area and somehow avoided crippling the Tau's ability to operate on an interstellar level despite their in comparison horrifically slow FTL speed and lack of any true methods of moving information about at the speed a civilization such as that needs.

Unless it changed in the last codex, they still use courier ships even between their most built up systems.

>the only faction that uses tactics that have advanced beyond the WW2 mindset

Barely, they still have commanders on the field and the Battlesuits get more credit than they have any right to as a design. Stop trying to bring logic into 40k, because most of the time the writer has no concern for it.

>one of the few factions that almost completely eschews melee in favor of just staying away and shooting the other guy

WW1-esque riflemen with low-RoF long range weapons are clearly superior to more manoeuvrable forces with assault weapons. On any sort of logical military level Tau Fire Warriors are just shit as a concept compared to the alternative. Once again, stop with this belief that any logic goes into GWs design or outcomes beyond rule of cool.

>>pretty sure it's the only faction that doesn't need warpy space magic to justify its battlefield tactics

No, instead it needs a huge bunch of asspulls. "You didn't see my massive army of Battlesuits and tanks over the hill despite there being a Voidborn Augury." Or the ever-hilarious "Our forces are deployed strictly by aircraft, which relies heavily on Void superiority to function. But when the Imperials take the Void there's no mention of this being countered."

>combat doctrine involves hitting supply lines, adequate use of stealth and not just throwing waves of soldiers at something until none of the enemy is left

Literally read Astra Militarum lore instead of Veeky Forums.

>"wtf these guys just have plot armor"

Yes, they do. Because, and I know this might be hard to believe, a GW writer isn't calculating or making a war out in his own head, he's already decided how the story is going to go, regardless of, and sometimes ignoring the logistics that would actually go behind warfare.

Only some named SM have plot armor. Tau have absurd plot armor as a whole faction.

This post is exactly why I hate Tau faggots.
>muh Tau are the bestest ever in everything
>every other faction is retarded
>smug anime reaction pic
Tau is literaly weeb pandering: the faction
Just because writers claim they have the bestest tactics that doesn't make it true. Tau are in fact one of the most retardedly equiped factions. Fucking Orks make more sense from purely an equipment point of view.

You are an idiot. The Enclave Tau are not that different than empire Tau in waging war. Farsight still uses Mont'ka and Kauyon. Also the Tau are pretty much knowledgeable about what goes on in the galaxy. The Ethereals and High Command know much more than the plebs.

And why the Tau haven't been wiped out? Because they have millions of suits that are equal or superior to marines. They are a technological powerhouse that the Imperium has a hardtime tackling. The whole "The Imperium can wipe them out easily if they focused on them" bullshit is just fanwank that goes against what's in the fluff.

You don't know much about Tau fluff. Your opinions have not much worth.
Warzone Damnos.

Everything you said is invalidated.

I said usually the Astartes end up in last stands, and admitted that they both have some cases of really bad plot armour. Are you seriously that desperate to ignore my entire argument that you're willing to bend what I was saying?

Carnac pls go

>Only some named SM have plot armor.

Lies.

The Ultramarines have plenty of plot armor. For example, multiple Xenos races helped them defeat Behemoth. If it wasn't for the Xenos input, then Ultramar would have been destroyed. Not to mention DAMNOS

I have a hard time believing that a million marines would have such a HUGE impact on the galaxy. A hardtime than believing that a force made up of millions upon millions of marines equivalents can protect a bottleneck of collection of systems.

>You are an idiot. The Enclave Tau are not that different than empire Tau in waging war. Farsight still uses Mont'ka and Kauyon. Also the Tau are pretty much knowledgeable about what goes on in the galaxy. The Ethereals and High Command know much more than the plebs.

The Enclave Tau actually make sense in 40k. At least from how they're written. The normal Tau basically goes like this "kawaii desu xeno chan we are for greater good! we dont know about any evil stuff we love everyone, please join us konichiwa anime mecha robots!"

And as soon as shit hits the fan and they encounter a race that's powerful? Imperium saves them. Encounter Orks? Know how to beat them instantly despite Orks being literally made for war by the most advanced species in 40k lore aside from maybe Necrons. Meet Dark Eldar? They get fucked over once and the DE never come by them again. Meet Necrons? They kill one diplomatic party of Tau. Encounter chaos? One chaos space marine has a cult and nothing happens after they beat them, despite chaos knowing there's a bunch of humans there and that Tau don't know about warp shit. And then the story stops. Nobody of consequence ever truly comes after the Tau except for the Imperium, and as soon as they do, some gigantic fucking deus ex machina comes along to save them and is pulled right outta the author's warp sized bag of plot armor.
Enclave Tau should've been the real Tau, not the fucking shitty Tau which makes no sense in 40k.

You can't just be a naive sitting duck when you want looking kawaii in your suits and then somehow be badass instantly when the plot demands it. That's so fucking cheap and is treatment no other faction gets.

>I said usually the Astartes end up in last stands,

Bullshit. You contine to lie. Last stands are one of the marine flavours but usually you know what they do mostly? They scourge entire battlefields out of enemies. Entire planets, systems and even sectors. The Zeist Campaign for example.

The fact that you are willing to forgive the marines despite them being worse than the Tau in "plot armor" department, shows hypocritical bias here. Shame on you.

>Because they have millions of suits that are equal or superior to marines.

The Tau deploy their Battlesuits by the thousands and yet a few companies of Astartes are considered a huge player in crusades against the Tau. Perhaps some of the more elite warriors in Battlesuits could offer more, but on average an Astartes is a more effective soldier than a typical pilot in a Crisis. Remember, when we're talking about Space Marines, we're talking about strictly better examples of a force who, in millennia passed, steamrolled dozens of defended planets with, at most, 200,000 men. Admittedly, more elite pilots in larger suits are capable of brining down Tacticals.

>They are a technological powerhouse that the Imperium has a hardtime tackling.

Sure, this part is acceptable all things considered, but this:

>The whole "The Imperium can wipe them out easily if they focused on them" bullshit is just fanwank that goes against what's in the fluff.

This is just an outright lie. The forces that have been deployed in previous Crusades against the Empire, while relatively large for individual movements, weren't large forces at all for the larger Imperium. All it would take is Ultramar's forces and its many Chapters of Marines (in comparison to the few hundred that have been sent before, at maximum) to really hurt the Empire, and that's only a small fraction of the Imperium's forces.

This was miscommunication on my part. I was implying that when Astartes plot armour becomes necessary, they often end up in last stands. When Tau plot armour is necessary (all factions need some now and again) the narrative and flavour always has this narrative to it, twisting it to make the Tau look like the best fighting force in the galaxy for some reason when it should be a gritty "hold the line," scenario.

You're entire post is bullshit and shows that you have no opened a single Tau source book. I don't know where to begin.

How the fuck did you miss a decade worth of fluff of Tau fighting constantly against Necrons, Dark Eldar, and Orks, and whatever for a pretty long time. You see one mention of it on the wiki and you think that's it.

>some gigantic fucking deus ex machina comes along to save them and is pulled right outta the author's warp sized bag of plot armor.
>And as soon as shit hits the fan and they encounter a race that's powerful? Imperium saves them.

Never happened.

The closet thing to that is Hive Fleet Gorgon and you can consider that the Imperium paying back the Tau for helping out with Hive Fleet Behemoth.

>what is the death company
>what is the legion of the damned
>what are the salamanders

>This is just an outright lie. The forces that have been deployed in previous Crusades against the Empire, while relatively large for individual movements,

Define "large". Because the first Damocles Gulf Crusade was started by one butthurt priest over Imperial border worlds trading with the Tau. It was large for the Tau, the Imperium throws out crusades on a whim to claim worlds, retake lost ones, etc. It's a common enough thing that it wasn't large for them. What's large to the Tau is a splinter to the Imperium.

>The Tau deploy their Battlesuits by the thousands and yet a few companies of Astartes are considered a huge player in crusades against the Tau. Perhaps some of the more elite warriors in Battlesuits could offer more, but on average an Astartes is a more effective soldier than a typical pilot in a Crisis.

I disagree. We have seen suits of all types and marines fight each other in the Damocle, they pretty much massacre marines unless they are supported.

>This is just an outright lie. The forces that have been deployed in previous Crusades against the Empire, while relatively large for individual movements, weren't large forces at all for the larger Imperium. All it would take is Ultramar's forces and its many Chapters of Marines (in comparison to the few hundred that have been sent before, at maximum) to really hurt the Empire, and that's only a small fraction of the Imperium's forces.

No, you iz the lies.

Lets see what the Index Xenos and IA: Taros say (paraphrasing).

To destroy the Tau Empire, it would take a huge effort on the part of the Imperium. It would take massive resources and manpower. Even then, the High Lords are not sure that it can be accomplished.

> twisting it to make the Tau look like the best fighting force in the galaxy for some reason when it should be a gritty "hold the line," scenario.

Question.

Did you read the Kauyon and Mont'ka books? Do you know what type of conflicts they were? I doubt you did.

You lying piece of shit.

The Crusade was stated in numerous sources to be a huge crusade ordered by the High lords of Terra themselves. (sources Marines codex 7th ED and Farsight Enclave supp). They had more than 120+ regiments involved.

Tau haters must lie. They can't help it.

>To destroy the Tau Empire, it would take a huge effort on the part of the Imperium. It would take massive resources and manpower. Even then, the High Lords are not sure that it can be accomplished.

>High Lords send out troops to fight Black Crusades, advanced Eldar incursions, Chaos outbreaks, Tyranids, Dark Eldar raids, Necrons, and all sorts of other terrifying species that can cross the galaxy and have posed a major threat for thousands of years at this point and are advanced and geared for war

>High Lords aren't sure they can beat the Tau who own a handful of worlds and are kiddies compared to everyone else

I'm done. Unless you paraphrased that part, I'm done with this. I have never seen a faction jerked off this hard. I'm actually blushing from how blatantly they're just reaching over to Tau players and jerking them off with gusto at this point. If that is somehow canon, then this amount of jerking off a playerbase rivals even that of marines. I don't even know how they can justify making such a blatantly absurd statement like that and expect to be taken seriously.

>I disagree. We have seen suits of all types and marines fight each other in the Damocle, they pretty much massacre marines unless they are supported.

And we have also seen Marines do terrible, terrible things to forces of all kinds, in addition to two companies outright being a dangerous force in the Crusades. There's no reason to believe a Tau Battlesuit could accomplish battlefield effectiveness compared to a Marine. The latter is a better soldier in literally every way, for one, and while the Crisis is heavily armoured it does not possess adequate defences to properly handle sustained fire from a Boltgun. There's evidence for either side of this argmument, but suggesting that Tau can shit out millions of soldiers equivalent to the de-facto supersoldiers of the 40k 'verse is ridiculous. You do realize that means they possess a force greater than the Astartes Legions during the Great Crusade, right?

>To destroy the Tau Empire, it would take a huge effort on the part of the Imperium. It would take massive resources and manpower. Even then, the High Lords are not sure that it can be accomplished.

Subjectivity, the Imperials wouldn't dare divert manpower that is actively being used against the other dozen major threats. There is no logical way to suggest the Tau could survive against the full force of the Imperium. We're talking enough ships to demolish the Tau fleets and just call Exterimatus on all of their planets, moving at speeds faster than the Tau can keep up with on macro-terms. What can they do about that?

>Did you read the Kauyon and Mont'ka books?

I did, and some of it was good, but a lot of it just had this language that really put the Tau on the top of the pedestal. Most of the books essentially involved the Tau dealing with anything the Imperium threw at them, glorifying their tactica and putting in a few necessary losses (I liked the Assassins in particular, though sending 4 was overkill).