Who would win in a confrontation between a Bloodthirster and the Swarmlord

>Daemons can be impervious to material weapons :^)
well they can be, like all the time. it's even especially hard.

besides thatvthe swarmlord is armed with more than just mundane material weapons.Tyranid boneswords are essentially organic force weapons.

Swarmlord has crushed civilizations and brought entire galaxies to ruin.

Most Bloodthirsters are just big daemonic goons. Not to mention the fact that the Swarmlord is a psyker.

I'm not some kind of Tyranidaboo. This is just apples to oranges.

its not even especially hard i mean.

How much time does the Deathwatch have to prepare and get into operator mode?

Swarmlord is a fuccboy

A week.

Surprise the BT doesn't resist ID.

Then again, my Swarmlord WTFPwned the Nightbringer on the table, so he's not a chump.

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If Deathwatch gets pre-errata heavy bolters, then Deathwatch wins.

Didnt four greater daemons get face rolled by nids on some planet? I remember the Tzeentch one got sick of their shit and went back to the warp.

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Greater daemons vary vastly in power, but swarmlord should beat a lower tier BT without too much trouble. Remember, the Swarmlord is just pragmatic, he won't deul the bloodthirster unless that's the best way to victory. He'd more likely send 12 carnifexes to kick it to death

Deathwatch gets shit done.

How many carnifexes does it take to guarantee a bloodthirster kill?

What would happen if the Imperium was, by some miracle, able to funnel a major Hive Fleet into the Eye of Terror?

The tryinids take over the galaxy even faster then before.

The world may never know!

Greatly depends on the circumstances.

If it's on a battlefield? Then there's shadow of the warp which fucks with daemons and then he can't draw power from the warp. If it's a 1v1? Daemons by far. Just because daemons have been around longer and embody the material principles that make them up. So, a BT basically embodies war incarnate. A swarmlord isn't gonna be able to take that on solo unless it's a weaker one or the Swarmlord has a ton of Tyranids with him drowning out the daemon's connection to the warp.

And I'm pretty sure they fought before and now Tyranids avoid daemon worlds like the plague. It's basically a meatgrinder on places like that because daemons literally control the planet and no amount of Tyranid hivemind is gonna blot out such a raw connection to the warp or be able to survive in a world where it can change on a whim to aid the daemons.

So, circumstances play a big role in who wins.

Chaos tyranids

or the swarm absorbs the DNA of chaos

Captain Jimius Raynor you must take this sacred psyfield generator deep into the eye of terror

6 wrecked an avatar of khaine with no casualties, so at least 3 or 4?

They would turn around and leave since warp shit doesnt have biomass.

>Tyranids running away from Chaos
Ha! Orks ARE better! I knew it!

You sure you arent mixing up the swarmlord with a hive tyrant? There is only one swarmlord. Also nids avoid daemons because they have no biomass so fighting them achieves nothing.

the bloodthirster.

That seems super worth it for the tyranids.

I might be remembering wrong but isnt the swarmlord one of the most powerful characters in the tabletop game? Or at least was at one point.

>daemons have been around longer

Extremely debatable.

> embody the material principles that make them up

No, they embody emotions.

on the table top assuming average rolls and tailored wargear 2 if they charge, 3 if the BT charges. Or 1 Stonecrusher with its ID wrecking ball.

chaos tyrnaids wouldn't happen. You can get physically corrupted tyranids like the warp can do to a dog or a rock. But you wouldn't get chaos aligned ones, any nid smart enough to be capable of worship also has a permanent link too the hivemind.

This already happened. The Swarmlord BTFO'd the daemon.

When did this happen? I havent seen any fluff if the Swarmlord fighting anyone other than calgar

The emperor

>Naw, Swarmlord is more powerful in fluff.

Doubtful, a single Bloodthirster was the match of three Trygons at once.

The Ultramarine wins of course.

He also fought Farsight and lost.
Swarmlord ain't shit tbqh.

> I havent seen any fluff if the Swarmlord fighting anyone other than calgar

The super-powered Hive Tyrant that Yriel killed on Iyanden was retconned to be the Swarmlord, IIRC, as of the novel Valedor.

He also gets shot to death by Wraithguard at the end of the same book.

Doesn't matter because whoever loses gets resurrected anyway

If the swarmlord is part of a tyranid swarm and so is intelligent and has the shadow of the warp to dampen the demon's powers - the swarmlord

If the swarmlord is seperated from the hivemind and is a more mindless beast - probably the bloodthirster

the swarmlord has a mind of his own. He doesn't recede to bestial instincts like other tyranids

Regardless, it'll be weaker without the connection to the hivemind

swarmlord is a synapse creature. its never separate from the hivemind.

Source please, that sounds like an amazing read

Heres a match up
A kill team of Deathwatch marines and an Officio Assassinorum team comprised of a Callidus, Culexus, Vindicare, and Eversor assassin, both after the same target, and whichever team kills the target first gets a handshake from the Emperor. They both get three days of prep, and are allowed to kill each other if need be.

Which team wins?

It's in the current Tyranid codex. Long story short; Tyranids invade an Imperial world, quickly overcome the defenders, which include a small garrison of Grey Knights guarding a dormant warp gate. With the Knights dead and the portal fuelled by the negative emotions unleashed by the dying populace, a full-scale Daemonic invasion erupts.

The Tyranids get their asses kicked initially, primarily because the Daemons find themselves up against feeding swarms rather than actual armies, and most of the new Mycetic spores dropped on the planet are destroyed by reality fluxes before hitting the ground. Things change once the Tyranids give up some of the ground they've taken and erect a huge, continent-wide cordon of Biovores, Exorines, and other living artillery units, which keep the Daemons contained. Since Tyranids don't really feel emotion, the warp rift begins to close, robbing the Daemons of their power. The four Greater Daemons make one last charge against the blockade, resulting in the Great Unclean One being blown up by Zoanthropes, the Lord of Change fleeing back through the portal, and the Keeper and Bloodthirster dispatched by methods I can't remember.

Why does nurgle not just nuke the nids with his rot? Everything succumbs to it according to some canon sources, so surely the nids couldn't resist the literally magic disease?

Because chaos are up their own asses and cant do half the shit they say they can.

It's some bullshit story where nids quickly develop immunities to Nurgle's diseases and pretty much everything else too.

The old Eye of Terror campaign featured one situation where the Death Guard, Tyranids, and Imperial Guard were all fighting for control over one world near the Eye. The Tyranids were apparently unaffected by the plagues which were unleashed on the world.

Most of Nurgles's plagues, while extremely virulent and inevitably fatal, aren't magical. They can be resisted and overcome through natural biological means. The ones which DO actually affect the soul of the victim - like Nurgle's Rot - are particularly feared because they're so unusual and generally can't be cured outside of similarly unnatural phenomona.

So while the first Tyranids to be infected by one of Nurgle's plagues will die off, subsequent generations will be immune as the Hive Mind adapts its organisms accordingly. The issue of whether or not Tyranids have souls is somewhat murky, so it's possible they might be resistant to the overtly supernatural ones as well.

Chaos fanboy mad daemons got BTFO by an NPC race.

Every race defeats another at one point.

I ain't mad.

Besides there are more instances of Daemons curbstomping nids.

Such as...?

Daemonkin is pretty good.

Christ, I remember reading about that shit more than five years ago. Bolter weapons were so OP.

I think Iyanden supplement retconned that to where the Avatar took a few down with it before being overwhelmed. Plus it was taken by surprise.

Multiple times in the Daemonkin codex.

And in the Covens supp as well. A daemon host tears apart a tendril of Leviathan from the inside out.

Aren't there tiers to Bloodthirsters? The high tier ones being God like by human standards while the lower tier ones being closer to you average video game boss? A Swarmlord could beat the lower and low-mid tier ones but probably not a high tier one unless some extreme circumstances are already in place.

>Who would win in a confrontation between a Bloodjobber and the Joblord
wew

Surely nothing could go wrong.

12 Carnifexes, assuming you're talking about Iyanden. The Avatar killed the first 3 but was knocked down by the 4th and gangbanged by the rest.

Codex: Tyranids, The Fall of Shadowbrink:
>With one of their number fallen, the remaining lords of the Abominatum realised the nature of the battle had changed. The Hive Mind was leeching their energies, severing the Daemons from the sustaining powers of the Empyrean. No real blood flowed for Khorne, just worthless alien ichor. As each rancid disease was unleashed by the children of Nurgle, so the next brood of Tyranids had grown resistant to it. Without the fear or devotion of true mortals to sustain them, the Daemons were foundering fast.

Eye of Terror campaign results, Belis Corona sector:
>Faced with both the pustulant forces of the Death Guard, and the voracious hordes of Tyranids who were, unlike the human defenders, immune to the Plague God’s blessings, the forces of the Imperium were hard pressed to defend the vital worlds of the sector.

>Aren't there tiers to Bloodthirsters?

Yes, but all are essentially gods of war.

There's only one true God of War in the setting though.

>12 Carnifexes, assuming you're talking about Iyanden. The Avatar killed the first 3 but was knocked down by the 4th and gangbanged by the rest.

An Avatar can be awakened once per year. The fexes will respawned within the hour. It does not matter how much he killed, it is still laughable.

(picture related).

First and Second Host thirsters would mop the floor with the Swarmlord.

True, Calgar bested An'ggrath himself.

IIRC, The Grey Knights enacted a banishing ritual that was dissolving the daemons back to the Warp. Before he could be banished, An'ggrath hasty tried to bite Calgar's head off. This gave Calgar the chance to deliver a killing blow.

Had the Grey Knights not meddled, I don't think Calgar would have won.

Nagash.

Nah, An''grath flew into a rage when he saw his forces were incapable of beating the Ultramarines, so he tried to salvage some pride by taking Calgar's head, but Calgar got his instead.

kinda unrelated, but can an Avatar be resurrected, or once t's dead, it's dead?

It spirit returns and regrows in the avatar room.

The Callidus is in the kill team.

both are jobbers due to respawnability, but swarmlord has more plot armor for being named

skarbrand vs the swarmlord would be a closer fight

If chaos gets stomped by nids, how do necrons fare? I imagine the necrons don't like them much?

What would happen to a daemon prince if caught in the shadow on the warp then? They're technically still physical beings, not pure warpstuff like daemons, would there be a risk of them becoming stranded and cut off from the warp?

>What is the Hive Mind
>What is Unending Swarm

Skarbrand would stomp all over the swarmlord in fluff and on table top.

>chaos gets stomped by nids

Not really.

>how do necrons fare?

Good against Nids.

>They're technically still physical beings, not pure warpstuff like daemons

Daemon Princes are pure warp, that's the point.

>skarbrand vs the swarmlord would be a closer fight
fuck no! Skarbrand is OP as all hell!

Throne, that sounds metal as fuck

Even the basic Hive Tyrant has a degree of individuality and is many times more intelligent than a human. The Swarmlord is even greater than they are.

>The Swarmlord is even greater than they are.

Must feel bad to get rekt by Calgar, Farsight and Yriel then.

They all only have one chance to die, the Swarmlord has jobbed thousands of times, and will continue to until there are no more Tyranids or everything else is dead.

Necrons have virtually every advantage one could need to wipe the Tyranids all over the place. From counters to the Hivemind with their anti-Warp fields to their complete lack of Immaterial usage to readily available WMDs more advanced than anyone else's, alongside being replicable. Tyranids tend to just leave Necrons alone because, win or lose, they won't get anything out of it but a decrease in usable biomass.

Farsight, sure, but Calgar and Yriel are both, respectively, nearly at the pinnacle of their individual races, both of which are pretty much objectively the most effective warrior-factions in the galaxy on an individual level.

>Yriel are both

Yriel is just a fleet commander. He is no exarch.

He's an Autarch, and has thus had a great deal of experience as a Dire Avenger, Howling Banshee, Striking Scorpion, Dark Reaper, Swooping Hawk, Fire Dragon and potentially some of the less obligatory Aspects.

Same user here, ignore me, I just remembered some of the sources. Ech. Either way, he seems to have a good grasp of what he's going, as odd as it may be to achieve such a level by untraditional means.

Here's a better question.

Has an Avatar of Khaine ever won a fight?

Killed a Chaplain one time.
He was truly a shame to the Black Templars.

I rememeber him being a faceroller in 6th ed. Is he even more absurd in 7th ed?

Assassins can potentially kill Space Marines, so I guess it depends on what the target is.

Two avatars kicked a shit load of Tyranid butts in Valedor.

By the end of the story, one of the avatars was fighting atop a mountain of Tyranids.

Assassins are not only superior to Astartes on average in an outright fight, but they're also literally trained for this kind of thing. There's no competition, either the Deathwatch are saved by the plot or the Assassins win.

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