And the succubus was redeemed, living on happily ever after as the paladin's purified waifu

>And the succubus was redeemed, living on happily ever after as the paladin's purified waifu
Why do DMs consistently fail to depict redemption for what it is: incredibly hard with a high recidivism rate? Especially (though not exclusively) when dealing with a powerful creature who has literaly been this way for longer than you, your parents or their parents were alive?

Because the power of love conquers all

For something innately evil to turn good in such a way is a fundamental change on a level we can hardly even conceive of.

Once you've completely rebuilt yourself on that kind of level, the reasons which would otherwise cause you to fall victim to recidivism are fairly irrelevant.

My current character is currently struggling with redemption.

He has been a soldier since his early teens, has seen the horrors of war, was married to someone who hated him, said person ended up killing his child (the one thing in his life he actually cared about), in response to which he killed her, his father revealed he not only knew everything but actively encouraged it to this end as it would further some political game of his and because of the perverse nature of goblinoids practicing the arts (something the character was abused for as a child until he ceased and fell in life). The father had done it as well to cause pain to his son due to a bitter hatred that his son had done the things he couldn't (become a war hero). The character killed his father there, and only narrowly escaped capital punishment (which he was hoping for) because someone else saw a use for him.

From then on he began running, he left the country, came back, tried to show proof of his own existence by practicing the art he used to be hurt for. It didn't help, but eventually he got a family. His fear of becoming like his father drove him away to throw his own life away, and he died. He got better, now he is trying to run towards a more permanent form of death.

I don't know how he is going to be redeemed because all that is happening is he becomes more in tune with his self loathing and desire for pain (the new wife hurts him and not the child, which he much prefers as he is effectively immortal at this point).

Redemption seems very far away, am hoping to find the spider's thread to climb out of hell.

"Redeemed succubus" is literally a Veeky Forums meme. I've never saw it anywhere except on Veeky Forums and in that Torment game.

Because alot of popular media has dumbed the idea of redemption down into something they can market to the lowest common denominator when they need a cheap, easy, happy ending to something.

Add Pathfinder to the list.

I think your kinda off the mark there, even though you make a good point.

In your particular example, i think the bigger question would be how something that is intrinsically evil is capable of any form of redemption at all?

Because people who create redeemed succubus goddess threads mostly fail at normal human communication and do it just because they like to jerk off to drawn porn.

Have you ever noticed that most /d/-style shitpost threads lack actual character development for those redeemed succubi? People who make those threads don't want to tell a good story about a character, all they usually have is character's appearance and nothing more.

source?

The hell are you saying guys? Redeeming is easy. You just have to get a good Diplomacy roll.

Looks like a shindol hentai to me, based on the art style and the fact that it's got an abused, miserable girl in it.

Yeah, from the top of my head there's only one shindoL manga where the girl doesn't get horrible abused, and even then she's a quadruple amputee.

The one in the OP is called Emergence
Don't read it, crying because of porn is a weird sensation
I already experienced it three times

The amputee is a cutie.

what hentai is that one?

before you ask, I already tried searching for it and it was fruitless

Incidentally, Fragile and Tough is the best ShindoL manga, and I'm not even into amputees.

>That torment game

Reminder that Falls from Grace wasn't Good, she was changed by Law more than anything.

It's cute as fuck. I do have to wonder what prompted SindoL to step away from his usual miseryfests just that one time to write something so heartwarming.

Maybe he read his own work by accident.

Misery makes money. Doesn't mean he can't do something cute from time to time.

Happens in Arthurian folklore too.

And, by the way, multiple bishops and popes have stated that there's nothing implying that even Satan himself is incapable of redemption.

I think he's keenly aware of how miseryfest his work is, especially with the last translated chapter of Emergence.

Will ShindoL continue Emergence or is it the end at Chapter 7? Part of me really was hoping for a bitterly fought good end.

>Playing Wrath of the Righteous
>Player is getting a bit too degenerate with the Arueshalae redemption, nothing is really happening, just loads of fades to black.
>Decide action must be taken
>Begin indoctrinating her to the faith of Ragathiel
>Chop her wings off with her consent after a month of this
>Install enchanted cranial bomb that explodes on detecting the user committing an evil act because ayy lmao Numeria is south of Mendev
>Player begins to wonder where her fuckdoll went
>Show said player, what her fuckdoll became
>Player is beyond pissed, Arueshalae doesn't even want to have sex anymore, just smite demons with a sword.
Just stop being such a busta and you can make anything work.

...

She OD'd, man, she's not coming back
At least ShindoL teased us with how it could've beeen, had she actually managed to kick the habbit

a little kekkle, but now I'm mildly depressed.

So much for that story

Somehow I keep hoping that the flash-forward scenes actually happen and aren't just drug induced hallicinations. a man can dream ;_;

oh so he's THAT guy. fuck i hate that guy. its all grade-a porn and then BOOM! here comes the BS. next he's gonna ruin traps too.

He better not touch my fucking traps

He's already done traps.

They get straight shota'd by sex-zombies.

So you achieved a 'good' succubus by making the Church of Ragathiel evil. Well done.

That Maniac! He blew it up! Dam you! God Dam you all to hell!

That one was remarkably tame by his standards. I really enjoyed it.

Of course, it helps that one chapter was a Shadow over Innsmouth parody.

The Church of Ragathiel is about as close to neutral as you can get while still retaining a Good alignment anyway. Being that their entire focus is on fighting enemies that are literally Evil incarnate they can get away with a lot of stuff normal LG Churches wouldn't.

Trust me, given how that series had been going, it was probably the best result for them. The Shotas tended to survive a lot better than anyone else.

He's like a Japanese Shadman, only without any shred of restraint.

What about the one with the loli prolapse? With the photographer? That one had happy end.

I'm pretty sure they still frown pretty hard on explosive torture skullbombs and brainwashing to the point where mutilation seems acceptable.

They're generally about smiting the evil as hard as possible, not doing the evil.

If ShindoL is asian Shadman and Shadman is from europe, i wonder who american Shadman is?
Sparrow?

Because one big reason for a high recidivism rate in real life is a total lack of support systems, positive role models, and any ability to function outside of being a criminal. In this scenario, though, you have all of those things through the Paladin, his church, and the rest of the party. Getting that level of personal dedication ought to really boost her chances.

>recidivism
I love that word

>ShindoL

Isn't ShindoL of american origins?
also I thought the japanese Shadman was Asanagi

>He masturbates
I don't even fap to hentai doujins, I literally read them for how they make me feel.

Shadman is european? For real?

>recidivism

Terrible, tinny sort of word!

You know not the depths of my bile for what you just posted

9/10 Im rustled something good

He lives in America now. Originaly from Switzerland.

>insecure dorky girl that's actually kida cute wants to feel special and loved
>she whores it up with everyone and anyone thinking it'll get her that feeling
>she hates herself every step of the way and doesn't stop until it's too late

It wouldn't be so effective at making you feel miserable if it wasn't rooted in reality

>It wouldn't be so effective at making you feel miserable if it wasn't rooted in reality
My feelings are the opposite. I literally cried reading this, but if this happened to a 3DPD I'd call her a dumb whore who should've known better.

oh.
His works are as hardcore as german hardcore porn so i thought he's german

A dumb slut being a dumb slut is just nature.
A dorky girl emulating a dumb slut because she thinks it'll make her insecurities go away is a tragedy that should be avoided at all costs.

Dorks deserve to be happy.

This is so off the mark in many ways. The current zeitgeist on Veeky Forums right now is ONE guy doing it as ironic shitposting spam with seemingly no interest in the subject matter beyond shitting it out onto the catalogue at least once a day.

It's so sad how accurate this is. I would believe it was just a bot that keeps repeatedly posting it, but the way highly specific OPs are produced and die off within a week makes me believe it is one singular shitposter who get's off on what he believes is trolling.

So what you're saying is that you saw someone was having fun and decided that you should ruin it for them out of spite? Why?

The one with the dog had a happy end.

I think I finally understand it after seeing it posted for weeks. Shitposter-kun might actually hate redeemed succubus goddess more than anyone else on Veeky Forums. Lilium was really horrid smut OC that included stuff like her worshippers being vored into assfat and other silly shit. He's not doing this because he wants succubus smut. He wants us to wallow in something shameful the board produced by reminding us of it everyday. Like rotten, fetid roadkill that he's shoving in our faces, making us look at and smell it because Veeky Forums made it. Maybe he thinks if we have to suffer it long enough we'll turn the concept into a complete joke such as 'elf slave wat do' or at least so no one ever tries to discuss it seriously ever again.

This, he's forcing us to relive the nightmare so we don't try to do it again.

And for that, I must say Godspeed, shitposter-kun.

>a redeemed Devil that just wants genuine codes and laws without all the constant backstabbing and courtroom politics
there, a compelling Redeemed Evil Extraplanar without being fetishistic

>Supporting shitposters on /tg
>Under any circumstances
Do you even realize that Lilium actually started out as a semi serious idea of a redeemed evil before shitposters showed up and started spamming that assfat soul vore shit purposely to derail the destruction? Nobody in those threads even took that crap seriously until some troll started a falseflag OP featuring all of that. Shitposters on this board, no matter what their motivation, are the most cancerous breed of autists poisoning this board.

>Do you even realize that Lilium actually started out as a semi serious idea of a redeemed evil before shitposters showed up and started spamming that assfat soul vore shit purposely to derail the destruction?
Yeah I remember. It was shit then too and we are better off for its loss.

Wasn't it based on that one greentext about the unbirthing succubus who ran an orphanage? And I know for a fact there's a smut writefag who includes that kind of assfat absorption voreshit because he greentexts it from time to time. That's far from a falseflag. Someone unironically included their real magical realm(s).

Not going to argue that, but if you seriously think that justifies this two bit shitstirrer who keeps shitting up the catalog with bait threads over and over is doing anything other than degrade the overall quality of this board, you can give your gun a blowjob.

>the flash forward that makes you think maybe, MAYBE she made it
>maybe she was finally happy
>then that last panel
Crying to hentai is an odd experience.

What hentai?

That's always been an intriguing idea to me, and a more logical Good End to the mythos of the Bible than Revelations. More accurately, I think the Revelations ending (war, doom, blood) fits the Old Testament, God forgiving Satan so the great schism of creation is healed fits more with the love-and-forgiveness New Testament.

I'm an atheist, but I'm still a sucker for a happy ending full of forgiveness and healing. I don't know how to feel about it.

That would be Flower of the Battlefield.

>intrinsically evil
Depends on your setting, but I think all the classic christian devils are all fallen angels anyway. They must be capable of moral choices, or they'd never have turned against god in the first place.

True, but by the same logic, it means the moral choices they make lean them in the "going against the literal embodiment of good and justness" that they were basically programmed to love like a father.

So at worst, fallen angels are irredeemably evil. At best they're still pretty shitty people.

One time I came up with an idea where God was a dude and Satan was a girl, and the Angels and Demons are fighting a war to conquer each other's side in order to get them back together in order to continue creation and prevent the heat death of the universe.

I think i read a romantic comedy manga about this once

Because good is stupid

There's also one where no girl gets abused because it's all boys

God would forgive but Lucifer's pride prevents him from repenting. That's the rub.

The path lays open for his return to glory but he continues to say "I do not submit."

...

Probably, but I'm more into monster-type beings so I had a bunch of other stuff like god's physical form was a city-sized network of rings and eyes and flowery vines, and satan was more like a humanoid body attached to a massive flesh-spear thing with tons of claws and jaws. God threw her out of heaven when they had her spat and she accelerated so fast that when she hit the bottom of the universe she blasted out a massive crater that became the circles of hell, with her being embedded in the lowest part.

I figured God would be a control freak but Satan was incredibly hands-off and they bickered so much it came to blows. They both regret their fight but are too prideful to work it out, so their minions are doing their best to make things right. Earth wasn't even involved to be honest, besides that the demons and angels' souls were from humans who had died and got selected by their respective sovereigns. However all the angels are male and all the demons are female, regardless of their original soul, so you had awkward comedy moments and cross-theological romance and rivalries.

I dunno, the more I type the lamer it sounds. I think about things a lot but maybe it's better I keep them to myself.

Did you HAVE to 'use' it 3 times then?

Actually there's another shindol manga that doesn't involve horrible abuse; at least I'm 95% sure it's Shindol (and I can't check right now at work, blue-board Veeky Forums is already borderline).

Sarashi Ai I think it was?
The one about an Exhibitionist girl and her Voyeur boyfriend. That one's technically being all lovey-dovey between the two, even though there's a little bit of what you'd expect (notably, fucking in public)

See
Also please read the thread next time.

I thought I was in a different thread, sorry.

>Feeling things

Kill yourself, you degenerate sociopath.

Well OP, that was an interesting read.

>Aw man, I poked my eyes when I tried putting in my contacts and my backup glasses make me look like a nerd
>lemme try them on, maybe it won't be so bad
>AW FUCK, I LOOK LIKE A FUCKIN' NERD

The original version was pretty much a generic waifu-goddess who'se slutty but still totally pure. The morally ambiquous one that might still be evil, or at least have a somewhat twisted view on what counts as good (such as using mind-controll to forcibly convert evildoers to good) was at least somewhat interesting concept.
Then somebody brought up the "assfat" thing, and things went downhill from there, culminating in her turning into an interplanetary vore-goddess.

This one?

Yeah. That one.

Because high recidivism rates for rdemptioon promote auto-smiting.

I think people assume a sort equal-opposite reaction rule with this sort of thing. The bigger you are the harder you fall, or ascend.

>Did you HAVE to 'use' it 3 times then?
No. There were 2 other hentai that made me cry.
The beginning of the end and Believe Machine

Onigashima is depressing and miserable as fuck After the first generic lolishota incest story

Sounds like Werewolf the Apocalypse, or that one flash game called Gyossait

>Emergence
Didn't cry... too much, but shit was unsettling.

It's not that bad, you can pull yourself together if you really want to. I managed to find myself a dreamy widower after giving up all hope, now I'm a housewife and a stepmom.

I'll make sure she doesn't fall on the same bad steps I fell in.

Because on some level, everyone wants to earn it and wish that it could be hand wavingly easy.

Haha no.

Before you can want it, you have to believe you've done something wrong.

I don't understand. Don't most people make thousands of little mistakes that they wish they could make up for? Aren't there any regrets that all together make someone feel horrible? Do they just forget about those somehow?

No, most people don't dwell on every little failure like you do, user. Most people just go "whoops", shrug, and move on.

>some skywalker kid

That's a sign of depression,. user

...That's not good.

Is it 2am and I'm trying to sleep?