I've been looking into this whole real life thing and its honestly not that realistic.
> Mongols Invade Japan Is 'Kamikaze' Japanese for 'Blatant Deus ex Machina' > Execution of Thomas Becket Really? Could you not think of a plausible reason > Nazi Germany Alright, we get it, WWI was a bit too political. You didn't have to go full edgelord with the sequel > Alexander the Great 100% Mary Sue Bullshit > Soviet Union So the nation of oppressed mud peasants executes its intellectuals, and then starts building rockets? Wut? > Colonial Africa 'Le White Mans Steamroll entire continent of Ogga Boogas' go back to /pol/ > Caligula Your fetish is showing > Hitler/Stalin non-aggression pact What? Fucking what? Are you even trying? > Wars Over Spices Is this some sort of shity Dune reference? 'Cause who the fuck fights over spices? > Canada This could be interesting *reads lore* ...it's just there to fill space isn't it?
Terrible art, too. 90% of it is washed-out grimdark bullshit. And what's with the character "options"? Lel you can be a human from this shitty part of the world, or a darker human from this other even shittier part of the world.
Michael Taylor
>Alright, we get it, WWI was a bit too political. You didn't have to go full edgelord with the sequel
"Edgelord" doesn't even begin to describe it. I mean, sure, there is a lot of edge. The bombs that work by converting rare handwavium into pure destructo-force are edgy bullshit, and the genocidal maniacs with LITERAL SKULL SYMBOLS all over the uniforms are damn edgy, and they evolve into Ow the Edgehog when they backstab their former ally to start a two-front war because they're Just That Evil. But so many other characters/places are also bullshit in so many miscellaneous ways.
You have mister "true man" leading the superpowered good guys late to the fight showing up with a superweapon developed just in time that ends the war almost immediately, and mister "man of steel" in charge of the Token Evil Teammate nation that murders more people than SkullNation McEvilGenocide ever did, and gets away with it because they're protagonists. Oh and Token Evil Teammate also annexes Poland which is what the good guys were supposed to be fighting to *prevent* in the first place. I suspect one guy wrote the leadup to the war and another wrote the aftermath and they didn't talk to each other.
And then there's Ike. Democratic societies do not work that way. Presidents do not get elected for having been successful generals invading another continent unless you're some kind of interventionist militarist state verging on junta, but the writers have been beating it into us over and over again that America is a democratic isolationist society that's slow and unwilling to show up to this war and then pulls out early next time and soldiers get spat on when they come home from Vietnam.
Speaking of America, they really need a better editor to sort out the naming mess that is the two continents called America, the country called United States of America, and the other country called United States of Mexico that leaves us with *no* unambiguous short name for the middle one.
Benjamin Evans
>mister "man of steel" Still better than the leader of France-expy called "the gaul" only pronounced with funny accent so it becomes "de gaulle".
And the high level adventurer-scientist-polymath with a billion skill points in everything called "fine man".
And the encryption code called "enigma".
And the encryption-breaking machines called "bombes".
Nicholas Perry
> a war called the Seven Years' War ok > a war called the Thirty Years' War that's an entire generation killed off > a war called the Eighty Years' War that's longer than most humans live in peacetime > a war called the Hundred Years' War in the grim darkness of this stupid setting, there is only endless war. > the World Wars last only 4 and 5 years now that we've invented trench warfare, suddenly wars are fast? hold on just a second > a war called the Six-Day War now that's just ridiculous
Blake Smith
>War of 1812 WOAH, leave some creativity for the rest of us.
Alexander Bailey
The genocidal maniacs with the skulls aren't even the worst part, their allies are so edgy that it doesn't make any sense. The Nanking part was so over the top it was laughable, especially when they are supposed to be the guys obsessed with honor and all that. I bet it only got added because it was the sick fetish of one of the writers.
It's just that the setting doesn't take itself seriously. Like, the 'civil' wars are usually the least civil. It's all just irony, learn to appreciate it.
>inb4 GodWorld shill
Jayden Torres
Well I don't see any other species playing it, so of course humans are going to be overrepresented.
Cameron Collins
You can get some variety with splat books > inb4 700 'Samaroo Honouroo' comments > inb4 700 'why do real people even have eyes like that' comments
Isaac Allen
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Jeremiah Richardson
>Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed Fuck guys, get a grip. Can't you see that they're all the same?
>Crisis in the Middle East It's like they ran out of content after resolving the US vs USSR and decided to just tack something on there.
>China becomes an economic superpower Of all the things that wouldn't happen, that wouldn't happen the most. Especially since most of their economic prowess is supposedly based on making plastic shit and selling it all over the world. Bullshit.
>Kennedy Assassination It's like the writers were so obsessed with being edgy they couldn't allow for a protagonist.
Kayden Reyes
"War of Jenkin's Ear" was pretty good, though.
Benjamin King
>>Kennedy Assassination >It's like the writers were so obsessed with being edgy they couldn't allow for a protagonist. user they've always been like that. They killed off based FDR and they killed Lenin so man of steel could lead. The setting has and always will be garbage
Dylan Diaz
FUCKING JAPAN they Used to be the coolest faction. Until they got rebooted as fucking wacky-kid-friendly weeaboo bait. Meanwhile Mongolia goes from being OP as fuck to the publishers totally forgetting they exist.
Aiden Johnson
Why the fuck do you think we refer to every faction that gets forgotten as being 'monged'? It's disgraceful.
Nolan Brooks
>complaining about China being an economic superpower This shit again. "Real World" has China as a powerhouse for centuries, knocks them down briefly and then has them recover to a fraction of their prior might - and Veeky Forums denounces it as unrealistic. It's not like it's a perfect setting, but you could at least pick on its weaknesses rather than your own.
>"Real World" has China as a powerhouse for centuries You mean regional powerhouse
Gavin Rivera
>Germany invents subs in WWI >No one else can do anything about them >Still loses twice
What the hell writers?
>Greece goes from irrelevant to biggest power in Mediterranean in 200 years >Instantly loses to Macedonia
I hate it when writers use one group to prove another's validity
Blake Collins
I mean economic powerhouse. The lore on China's share of the world's "Gross Domestic Product" has them peaking in 1820 at about a third, and they're hovering around a quarter of the world total for hundreds of years before that. Even in the new "2016CE" series China still hasn't recovered its relative position in the world economy.
Joseph Long
The setting in 1400 to 1700 its the better
Michael Powell
That's the thing. It used to silly and lighthearted with misunderstandings and wacky characters based Nero but now it's all full GW with 'M-MUH AFRICAN CIVIL WAR' and a terrorist faction with mile thick plot-amour.
Also SPACE RACE 2 sourcebook WHEN?
Grayson Phillips
Dude, writing quality is all over the place. The Swiss were so badass that other countries had treaties that said, "No hiring the Swiss to fight." Then it just trails off into LOLOL PERPETUALLY NEUTRAL CHOCOLATE COVERED CLOCKS IN A BANK. What the actual fuck.
Then there's fucking Korea. They can't give up their FIVE MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT theme post Second War of Lazy Naming That Everybody Faught by actually having the two big powers duke it out. So what do they do? Proxy war with overblown figures and unbelievable outcome, resulting in a nation that would be laughable if it wasn't so hackneyed. The attached illustration says it all. No fucking way in hell.
Daniel Mitchell
Never ever
Aaron Brown
The Mayan tease still irritates me. Earlier editions make it clear that they were a big deal, but then when the authors do the big hemisphere crossover it is like they just forgot about them. You see them get name dropped now and again like some kind of throwback cameo for generic "mysterious ruins", but that's about it. Then they get teased again back when rumors about rebooting the setting were going around in 2012, but nooooo, nothing.
Lincoln Cooper
Economic power means jack shit if you can't project it. China was isolationist for last 2 thousand years save for brief periods of conquest and South Asian campaigns. It was doing well economically because of that. If China had to adopt new policies and reforms to conquer India, Persia and Syberia, discover and colonize Americas and Australia, it would crumble upon itself.
Michael Lopez
Jesus Christ is by far the worst character. I spent months getting pumped for the new Religion-Faction...and it's some fucking beatnik carpenter with 12 followers. BUT OF COURSE everybody ends up loving him anyway and he's perfect and he ends up with ALL THE FOLLOWERS because trololololo Mary Sue plot-armour.
Just bring back Odin. Now there was some fucking metal lore.
Henry Anderson
Am i the only one upset that they closed the globe after america? like im into the whole america vs japan over the pacific but if they just waited a little while they could have added a different Americas that didn't get completely fucked
Xavier Wood
It's not as bad as what happened to the Romans.
>Spread to become the largest empire in the history of the world up to that point in time. >Cracks form and its size threatens to tear it apart. >Split into two allied empire under the same god, with subtle hints of religious schisms and a possible conflict in the future; the relationship slowly breaking down as more cultural differences emerge over time, leading to a bloody and brutal conflict that could end in any number of ways. >Never mind, the bigger one got pillaged and burned to almost nothing by barbarian kingdoms and horse riding savages. Never mind the organisation and infrastructure behind the empire, some mounted mustachio'd fuckers can deal with that.
You can see the writers getting bored as soon as Caesar got killed off, since he got replaced by Justinian as main character not long after any way.
Landon Adams
If you like the silly stuff, there's always New Zealand (sic). I guess it's hard to go grimdark when even people in-universe know that the name has a spelling error.
Landon Powell
Im miss the old Spanish people, are a bunch of badass killing all whit their Conquistadores and now are a fucking joke only because their leader go full retard, and why this people are out of the 2 world wars?
Gabriel Carter
>Odin >metal lore >his sons dresses as a girl to marry big burly Jotun Norse gods, not even once
Bentley Rivera
> they stop making Roman Empire Units I wonder what will replace them > Holy Roman Empire what? > same fuckers > you have to re-buy all the units anyway This I cannot shiggy
Parker Cruz
>Jesus Christ is by far the worst character. Dude, the lore makes it pretty clear that he didn't really exist in universe. A made-up messiah is a pretty cool idea.
Landon Bennett
ikr, proof that the more macho you try to act the gayer you look
Bentley James
>Name a god, God Ow lazy bastards
Luke James
His name is YHWH but the players are condecending fucks and just call him god to piss on everyone else
Jaxson Lewis
>Fuck guys, get a grip. Can't you see that they're all the same? Well, Buddha and Jesus are kinda the same, both are wandering-sage philosopher kinda guys preaching about how the world sucks. But Mohammed is a warlord preaching "hey guys, loot this caravan with me so I can support a fourth wife".
And yet Mohammed is supposedly running an offshoot of Jesus's shtick while Buddha is the one unrelated to the two others. They fucked up there.
Oliver Howard
Still better than the sequel, which was basically a DBZ episode where the good guy and bad guy powered up for 40 years, until the bad guy just dropped dead of cancer randomly. Oh, and you weren't fooling anyone with the Face-heel turn of Stalin after WWII. Former ally becoming the new big bad is such an overplayed trope.
Carter Barnes
I'm just glad the Thirty Years' War arc is over, okay. That shit just refused to end. I needed a chart to understand the asspulls the writers had to contrive to keep that one going.
I mean, come on. They make some gary stu Swede and have him shitstomp everyone, then when they realize he's too strong they just have him die in the next edition in some random charge? Bull fucking shit.
James Rodriguez
> Dude, the lore makes it pretty clear that he didn't really exist in universe. That's funny, the Christian splatbook says they have eyewitness accounts. I guess this is one of those WoD settings where there are several takes on the lore and none are fully canon.
Ryan Perry
>tfw In the 3 edition the name of this god its God
Camden Parker
Is this some epic copy pasta I haven't seen yet?
Joshua Gonzalez
>Jesus
You mean the Zoroaster retcon? Or the Mithras retcon? Or the Horus retcon?
Joseph Hill
fan pandering at it's finest, its not even the most popular religion the fans are just so obnoxious,
William Hall
>Roman Empire edition sells truckloads >Caesars are some of the best selling units >Fall of Rome sells like shit >Okay guys let's just call every ruler variations of "caesar" from now on, and call every major empire "the new rome"
laziest fucking marketing ever
don't even get me started on
>Holy >Roman >Empire
Leo Thomas
Well, this thread got gay and /pol/ish really fast.
Jeremiah Clark
>Canada The problem is that you need a good GM to run it. The whole thing is roughly 90% adventure hooks, and the lore is good, but damn is it fucking boring. It's mostly just them partying until they're independent, and then it abruptly stops.
The monsters are pretty sweet, that racebaiting civil war thing in the urban centre is a good setup for a game, and the art is fucking magnificent. Seriously, run a game in the 'Canadian Shield' area.
Cameron Morris
>Who designed this, an alien?
subtle
Blake Smith
>Dinosaurs last like, 250 million years. No one talks about them. >Humans exist for like 200,000 years, the setting centers on them
Muh lazy writing
Landon Allen
>I spent months getting pumped for the new Religion-Faction...and it's some fucking beatnik carpenter with 12 followers.
I feel you man. The teasers were all promising MOUTH SWORD GUY ON FLYING HORSE fighting against GRASSHOPPER DEMON OVERLORD FROM THE ABYSS against a backdrop of DRAGON HYDRA AND ITS PROPHETS in the lore preview, and then we get this guy and some lame excuses about how this basically isn't even his final form, and all the cool shit in the trailers was actually visions of how it'll go down at some unspecified point in the future. Which we'll probably never see because that would require advancing the setting and coming up with plot to get us there.
Colton Roberts
Tfw they never release a time travel module.
Matthew Green
>Planet full of aesthetic continents >Mary sue continent wihich is just shapes >Most important region on the map is A FUCKING BOOT
>Retardo Mary Sue continent conquers the entire world because why not? >But not only are they strong, they are so nice they just GIVE IT AWAY
Who wrote this shit? What kind of retards would conquer shit and then just give it away?
What'd you expect? Reality inherrently has an unfair bias towards white men.
Ryder Nguyen
Why only humans? human white, human black, human yellow, human red ... thats fucking boring.
Brayden Bennett
> Playing as Red Humans Yea, if you want a Race that hasn't kicked ass since the 1812 splatbook
Robert Bell
>Playing anything other than the white race >INT bonus >All the science >Their racial trait is literally "fucking shit up" >Best sub-race (Latin ie. heirs of the Mary Sue empire)
>Any year >Playing any other race
>Inb4 yellowboos
Noah Martinez
>faggot never read advanced edition
Anthony Wilson
>Playing anything other than the white race The Political Correctness trait they added over the last few editions really blows chunks, though. All those negatives to reputation if you do anything to any PC/NPC of another race? Ugh.
Elijah Collins
To be fair, they did some stuff quite well, like Rollo and the Normans, the way it ties into the first Crusade, and having his descendants still be related to the kings and queens of England to this day.
Kinda lame though that they chose democracy over ass kicking though.
Michael Carter
>not speccing around red human racial bonus and building an empire of casinos, and investing that money in becoming major political power.
Red humans are secretly OP dude. They even have an affirmative action modifier comparable to brown humans. I don't get why people are so down on them.
Jason Hall
Yeah, almost at the same exact time you posted.
Gabriel Williams
David Icke please leave
Carter Kelly
> Implying only whites can duck shit up Mongols Never Forget
Christian Thompson
>ITT a bunch of people who skimmed the wikipedia article and have never read the rulebooks
For fuck's sake, the lore and fluff is so extensive it's considered its own genre and that's not even getting into the adaptations.
Colton Martin
Sounds like you've got a shit DM. If he actually read the rules, he'd enforce that you take the Jewish subclass to access most of those bonuses and enforce antisemitism rules.
Cameron Phillips
Am I the only one that hated the Australia expansion? I mean, you have all these established nearby civilizations tooling about in their boats and no one notices AN ENTIRE FUCKING CONTINENT FULL OF MONSTERS until the marysue British Empire just stumbles across it from the other side of the world And of course, its all "Lost continent full of bizarre creatures" bullshit where everything's venomous to provide a half-assed challenge for high level PCs (save VS poison or die LOL) Its obvious that the developers just phoned in the Australia sourcebook because people were complaining that the Americas were EZmode because the main mobs were so susceptible to disease.
Jeremiah Campbell
>INT bonus >All the science >Their racial trait is literally "fucking shit up" What kind of 3rd party rule book do you have?
>caring about INT bonus >in fight4goodies system
>Playing any other race >playing same shit over and over again
>Inb4 yellowboos >posts art from culture°eneracy rule book dedicated to yellowfags There's so much wrong with this post
Carson Baker
Am I the only one who's really sad that Polytheism disappeared almost completely in the Metaplot?
I mean sure it's still kinda there in Hindu and maybe Shinto but I loved having multiple gods to worship. Now all everyone talks about is this omnipotent motherfucker and whether or not he actually exists.
Man screw that guy why can't you just have multiple aspects of him or something and argue some of them are just dicks?
Ian Perez
Well, there's that weak-ass "New Age" supplement, and "Mysticism 6ed (I guess?)", but fuck mysticism, half of it is furious wanking to the omni-fucker.
Christian Nelson
Well, there's that weak-ass "New Age" supplement, and "Mysticism 6ed (I guess?)", but fuck mysticism, half of it is furious wanking to the omni-fucker.
Connor Clark
State Shinto was cool WAS
Colton Clark
>he doesn't like "New Age" and "Mysticism" Any better magic system you got there,fuckboi? inb4 chaosfag
Landon Moore
America is fucking OP in this setting. A bunch of arctic circle peoples with no beasts of burden, no crops, nothing arrive in this continent and get civilisation going in less than half the time it takes in Eurasia? Not to mention all the stuff going on in the "recorded history" books...
Thomas Evans
The developers made it pretty clear that they're tired of trying to balance religions. The atheism supplement is the first wave of phasing it out all together.
Of course it's just going to make the setting a whole lot more grimderp, which was pretty much the opposite of the stated goal. Go figure.
Tyler Myers
Take off your blinders Roman Panthion was just re-skinned Greek Panthion You know it to be true
Lincoln Allen
>magic system Post working magic build for the Second Interbellum supplement, senpai.
Landon Lewis
Look at this chode who read that one bit of flavour text for The Victorian Ages book about how stupid and backwater people assumed genetics indicated growth potential and actually bought it.
Once again for people in the back: 'race' is mostly a cosmetic thing that really only effects the melanin subsystem and where you were born on the random character generation table. Your bonus to int comes from being in a country that had established educational systems and in a class of people who can regularly afford and care to send their children to those educational systems. Race correlates there but it's not a cause of anything.
You're one of those boneheads who seriously buys the whole 'increased vaccine items and increased autism drawbacks means the two are connected' theory aren't you?
Noah Perry
The best supplement its "Machinguns and Mortars" 2 edition, the magic system its meh
Parker Gonzalez
>all of this wrong Other people liked it enough to read it rather than just look at the cover.
Matthew Allen
Can someone please explain to me why the Brazilian Codex is such shit, or why Antarctica has virtually no published material whatsoever?
Also >lol oceans cover majority of the planet >but NOOOBODY KNOOOWS WHATS DOWN THEEEEEEERE >cue spooky music Such a shitty fucking excuse not to write in more nations/cultures, and to not even properly explain or populate it aside from "LOOK SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW [OR OLD] POPPED OUT OF THE WATER WITH NO EXPLANATION!" is just lazy, terrible worldbuilding.
Asher Howard
Oh hey look it's /pol/, I love how welcome they are, not to mention productive
Sebastian Hill
> Machinguns and Mortars For a while that was OP as hell tho. Remember trying to play Zulus against Brits? Never again
Landon Reed
yea but at least they introduced SOME new gods! Terminus was cool!
Then Constantine I shows up and it's all "OH NO THAT RANDOM JEWISH SUBSECT IS GETTING POPULAR BETTER CONVERT" and everything just goes to shit.
Yea lets give the crazy war fuckers who conquer lands regularly more of a reason to wanna kill off any kind of actual INTERESTING religions! Man fuck that
Nathaniel Ward
Mfw my DM decides we are playing the Charge of the Light Brigade module.
Josiah Brown
Herp derp Zeppelin war machines! Scout balloons! Who cares that they're highly flammable?! Must have been a slow writer's day.
Isaac Edwards
If you actually using the timeline correctly? All of the American stuff is pre-Iron Age when the rest of the world is Age of Sail.
Logan Hernandez
Ignore him. He started playing after the industrial revolution edition.
Camden Barnes
Yes, I'm using the timeline correctly. Humans arrive in the Americas 35,000 years after they get to Eurasia, but they're building cities only a couple of thousand years later. It's like the continent imbues people with superpowers.
William Sanchez
3 skill points in gnosticism 1 in alchemy then 4 in theology And everything else hermeticism
Joseph Phillips
>why the Brazilian Codex is such shit No idea, none of my friends are playing it. Although some units look sweet. >why Antarctica has virtually no published material whatsoever Developers hyped up the idea to build your own crazy campaign and made Antarctica empty sandbox for that. It never took off. Some fans of Machinguns and Mortars used it after majority of the playerbase switched to new stuff.
Jonathan Taylor
>'race' is mostly a cosmetic thing Never read science&bitches 3.5 ,aren't you?
Tyler Ramirez
>release sandbox module >weather rules kill you by default.
Gee I wonder why.
Michael Moore
Well no fucking duh nobody used it.
Have you seen the temperature penalties in that place? And with like, 20% resource potential!? Are you fucking high why would anyone wanna do ANYTHING with that place?
Colton Davis
>Not Science & Bitches 5 ed Laugh of this poor child
Julian Rodriguez
I don't know wether to be amazed or pity you for actually using that sourcebook.
I mean play what you will dude but that book literally talks about how Dinos and Great Reptiles and the Before Records splatbooks actually take place in the same periods.
Gabriel Torres
Wood huts and mounds don't really compare to what is available in other splats. If you're using the Europe books then you'd have to go back several thousand years to have an equivalent tech level for most splats. You'd still be more advanced in other areas too, what with actual metal and shit. Don't listen to the Aztec wank, cloth armor and wooden weapons are shit.
Lucas Foster
>science&bitches 3.5 I heard designers made it unbalanced on purpose. Disparity in power level was forced intentionally and heavy handedly.
William Williams
Guys ,I was thinking,remember how may people used to bitch about social classes like artists and writers being useless?What if they use this Lovecraft character as connection to new Mysticism edition AND to the "Deep sea" and "antarctica" expansion.Maybe that "bloop" thing wasn't just a reference to the Call of Cthulhu?Maybe they'll finally fix social classes as well.
