Why doesn't the Imperium team up with the Eldar and Tau to wipe the Orc menace off the face of the galaxy?

>Orc
What the hell is an orc? I've heard of Orks and Orruks...oh, you mean those things out of LOTR? Fuck I hate when you 40Kids try to force your wankery into every other setting. Just leave Tolkien alone, ffs.

That's just wrong.

The problems the Tau could fix are simply not the problems the Imperium needs fixing.
What are the Tau going to do about human potential for corruption? About chaos? About rampant mutation and unstable psykers? About the Emperor dying?

Fuck all.

Sounds like heresy

>The problems the Tau could fix are simply not the problems the Imperium needs fixing.

Actually, with the resources of the Imperium poured into the Tau Empire, the Tau will get into overdrive with their technological innovation and production. The fruits of Tau innovation will be supplied to the Imperium. The Imperial near-endless armies are going to wield advanced Tau technology and existing Imperial tech will be modified.

The Imperial military problems will be lessened by a large degree which will allow the Imperium to focus on other fronts within and without for a change.

Innovation is heresy.

Fuck off, Carnac.

No, you are the Carnac.

I am Somonor.

Orcs are tolkien, Orkz are 40k

>quoting recent GW material makes you Carnac
Alright faggot, don't you have some dicks to take up your ass?

Because then the Necrons would team up with Orks who all make a deal with chaos to kill all humans, enslave the tau and castrate the Eldar

>Necrons
>making a deal with Chaos

To castrate the Eldar

Same reason they don't team up with the Orks to wipe the Eldar and Tau menace off the face of the galaxy

40k factions are unable to set aside being retarded for long enough to push back Galactic threats.

So how long would the tau last if, lets say, a dozen inquisitors come up with a plan to "leak" information to the AdMech that one of the tau core worlds has a complete uncorrupted STC?

Chaos and Eldar are two heads of the Eternal Warp Jew

Let me guess, an eldar stole your sweet roll? She sounds like a slut anyway.

They're not even touching the head. Just the balls

Just saying what would happen

>why doesn't the Imperium team up with the xenos and the xenos wipe the xeno menace off the face of the galaxy?
Because that doesn't actually accomplish anything. Xenos are still around.

>The problems the Tau could fix are simply not the problems the Imperium needs fixing.
>[prays to machine spirit]

Depends on how "authentic" the leak is. If every forgeworld in the galaxy buys their shit, than I wouldn't give them more than a year as the Ad Mech pulls in every favor and connection they have; finding a fully intact STC is basically the Ad Mechs win state. If they have a STC, they can basically start pumping out so much high grade shit and robotic warriors, that the Imperium becomes irrelevant; fuck, even the Emperor might get pushed aside

I'd say
1. The I perium simply doesn't trust the Tau enough, and the Eldar are too high and mighty to actually ally with them. The Eldar themselves would not want to risk many Eldar lives on such a venture, and considers both Tau and Imperium bneath them anyways. The Tau might be idealistic enough to want such an alliance, but realpolitik would keep them from doing so. If the cadres leave the empire to fight who is to say the Imperium wouldn't stab them i the back? I wouldn't put it past the Imprium of Man to pull a fast one.

2. Who says they even could win? If the allies just stirred up trouble with the orcs onthe fringes of known space they might become the targets of a million revanchist Waaghs. Some older fluff indicated that orcs outnumber everyone in the galaxy, except maybe the 'nids. The pre-heresy Imperium might have been able to take those odds, but even with allies I don't think the current could sustain such a war.

3. There are numerous other threats to deal with. The Tau have the Tyranids looming over their heads, the Eldar have the Dark Eldar and Chaos, the Imperium has everone who arn't the Imperium... Lots of stuff needed to happen before an alliance could focus on the orcs alone.

Tell that to the Techpriests interested in Tau tech.

This is not a setting about intelligent factions

simply put they don't trust eachother enough
it's a classic prisoner's dilemma

>he wants my glorious Imperium team up with blueberries who can't even into glorious CQC
>Oh I know, those Eldar who literally call us monkeys are going to help us!
No, anonymous imperial citizen nr. 245464565762547652563, we are agonizingly alone in the galaxy.

The Tau will never join the Imperium as long as the Necr- I mean the Ethereals control their society.

Well the Eldar are already helping the Empire with the throne and such.

Out of necessity, yes. But the moment everything works again, or they don't have to feat Chaos anymore, they would just stab the Imperium in the back. Do not trust the Eldar.

Ignoring the almost certain chance of double cross from factions, there simply aren't enough of them to make a difference. Orks are everywhere and will always be everywhere because of the way they spread.

There are hardly any Tau in the galaxy. You can't produce enough weapons for the Imperium. In the same vein, there aren't enough Eldar and I don't think humans would really get the same benefit from using a lot of Eldar's stuff.

The best thing a team up would bring would be them simply moving out of the way. If Tau and Eldar stopped being an enemy, that is less resources consume fighting them. It still would make little difference verse the Orks, but could help verse Necrons, Chaos, and Nids who are more focused threats. In the long run though, it is still Imperium doing nearly 95% of the heavy lifting.

However, it is basically irrelevant. Both races are assholes whole would stab the Imperium in the back the first chance they get.

>The last mortal being in the galaxy will be an ork with nothing left to fight

user you bastard... ;_;
1d4chan.org/wiki/Are_You_My_Warboss?

Not even close to true.
Any robot made by an STC would still be at risk of being corrupted, just like what happened during the DAoT. Moreover, while the ad mech are quite independent, it's been a long time since they've ever considered even leaving the imperium.
They know if they tried that the rest of the imperium would go after them, which really only matters because that means the space marines would be sent after them, something the ad mech does not want.
Moreover, the ad mech also are fully aware that a split in the imperium would be the death of all humanity. The ad mech may be team killers willi g to do anything for their own personal goals but who isn't in the imperium? but they would never break away from the imperium, even if they found a full STC.

Necrons and Chaos marines are allies of convenience, this bothers me, am I the only one?

I hope you choke on your own dick for such retarded questions.

Care to explain this bit?
I only heard someone mentioning a deal between the mechanicus and the Deldar once.

...

The orkz are already so numerous that you cannot possibly fight them all. All they would need is something uniting them and it's game over for everybody else in the milky way.

Launching a galaxy-wide campaign against all orkz simultaneously inevitably means that all orkz will realise there's a huge stompin' going on and that every greenskin and their grandmother is invited and that they're all allowed to play on the same team.

And then you've got a species-wide WAAAGH!!! - The greenest of all greentides that has ever tidened greenly across the stars. Trillions upon trillions of Orkz all working together because you wanted to lead an extinction war against them, but to the orkz that just means another reason to crash your party and steal yer gubbinz.

>And yet they have done so on multiple occassions.
Only on small or secret levels. Inquisitors and Guard officers have been mentioned of making truces, but if anything like that went on a larger scale, like public sector attention or the heater Imperium, it would cause mass outrage, likely in the form of lots of gunfire.

No, it's wrong because GW has said the same about Space Marines having a chapter of 10,000 marines, Orks uniting under a single WAAAGH!, and the Tyranids.

>unstoppable force
has been thrown around as often as Chaos has invaded Cadia.

Your post makes no sense and it sounds like RRRR'ing to me.

If they IoM were to make a desperate alliance it would be to stop Chaos. Not fucking orks.

In the "The Greater Good" novel from the Cain series, the Imperials allow the Tau to rebuild an Imperial world and deploy Tau and Gue'vesa aid-workers on the planet to help with humanitarian effort. It was very public.

Actually, in the Beast series, traitors and loyalist marines allied together in two events to stop the Orks.

>Allying with the Tau
>Allying with a race that doesn't engage in glorious melee combat
>Man Emperor is Displeased.
>At least the eldar can swing a sword.

>Black Templars have been called unstoppable if they ever gathered their entire chapter in one place
>Orks have on multiple occaisions have been said to be unstoppable if they united as a single race
>Tyranids are mentioned to only be stopped if the Imperium drafted every man woman and child in the Imperium

How does any of that not make sense? Does breathing not make sense to you? Does eating food not make sense to you?

Very public in that one sector in millions know about it.

>IoM are too retarded to consider even a temporary alliance with an alien species.
Not true, it happens all the time. Smaller subfactions of the Imperium, though - the Lords of Terra don't make decisions on that small of a scale.

>>Black Templars have been called unstoppable if they ever gathered their entire chapter in one place

Bullshit.

The Templar are just 1100 marines. That's nothing.

>>Orks have on multiple occaisions have been said to be unstoppable if they united as a single race

Not unbelievable. The Beast Waaagh! united a portion of the Orks in the galaxy and nearly conquered it.

>>Tyranids are mentioned to only be stopped if the Imperium drafted every man woman and child in the Imperium

You mean Leviathan, you illiterate moron. It's said that the Imperium needs to up the recruitment rate by 500% rate in order to effectively combat that hive fleet. Considering the current Imperial standing armies are incapable of stopping that hive fleet from reaching the space near Terra, that quote is accurate

Three times you shown yourself being crap at the fluff. Get out.

The Imperium is already a power to be reckoned with on a galactic level.

A collapsing super and hardly unstoppable.

You are so stupid and wrong it hurts to read what you wrote. One word: logistics.

News spread arounf in the Imperium pretty quick.

For example the news of the Ultramarine defeat on Damnos spread throughout the Imperium, despite the Inquisition attempts to hide it, and caused morale all over the Imperium to crash.

and spears. don't forget the spears.

>logistics

Not part of the Imperium's or 40K dictionary.

I really want to see Lyanden making some sort of agreement with the tau though.
The eldar will be happy to have more bodies to throw between them and anything else, while I can see the tau willingly agreeing to such a deal for a some carefully filtered knowledge of the galaxy at large.

>Moving the goalposts.

>point out GW calling a Tau-Imperial alliance unstoppable is meaningless
>cute other sources when GW called a force unstoppable
>told to GTFO

It's like you're willfully ignorant.

No goals were moved. Just stating what's in the fluff. If the Tau allied with the Imperium, then they wouldn't be collapsing

>You mean Leviathan, you illiterate moron. It's said that the Imperium needs to up the recruitment rate by 500% rate in order to effectively combat that hive fleet. Considering the current Imperial standing armies are incapable of stopping that hive fleet from reaching the space near Terra, that quote is accurate
Yeah I have read this bit of the fluff int he 5th ed codex I believe? How does anyone hope to stop the nids? Its stated whats entering the galaxy at the moment is the tip of the iceberg, the very tips of an infinitely larger force, if that's true then they probably outnumber even the orks 10,000 to 1

I already showed that you are a moron. You misremembered the fluff.

Templars? No, they are not stated to be unstoppable in the codex. They don't have the numbers.

Orks? A canon truth of the setting.

Tyranids? You are retard that butchered the quote.

Now get out and stop being an idiot in this thread.

>Yeah I have read this bit of the fluff int he 5th ed codex I believe? How does anyone hope to stop the nids? Its stated whats entering the galaxy at the moment is the tip of the iceberg, the very tips of an infinitely larger force, if that's true then they probably outnumber even the orks 10,000 to 1

The only hope for the galaxy is the Necrons.

After reading shield of baal, the necron guy states that his warriors get over run by tyranids really easily, theyre slow to react and get swarmed by millions. I think he claims he has lost almost every fight against them. Even if the full force of necrons awoken and united, I don't think it would be a definite victory, the tyranids have entire galaxies worth of biomass heading towards the milky way

>LMAO WHY DUN THE IMPERIUM JUS BE FRIENDS WITH EVERYONE
BECAUSE HUMANS WERE LITERALLY ENSLAVED BY ALIEN FAGGOTS DURING THE AGE OF STRIFE, MOST NOTABLY BY THE ELDAR

THEY KNOW THAT ALIENS WILL, WITHOUT EXCEPTION BETRAY THEM AT FIRST OPPORTUNITY, AND THUS MUST DIE

>Bullshit.
>The Templar are just 1100 marines. That's nothing.
>>Strength: 5000-6000 Marines spread through several Crusades
Why are you bad at math?

>Not unbelievable. The Beast Waaagh! united a portion of the Orks in the galaxy and nearly conquered it.
So I'm right there.

>It's said that the Imperium needs to up the recruitment rate by 500% rate in order to effectively combat that hive fleet
>> 500% - effectively including every able-bodied man, woman and child on every world in Segmentum Solar, Obscurus and Tempestus
Again I am right

>Three times you shown yourself being crap at the fluff.
Actually just one. Again, terrible math skills.

Three times you have shown yourself crap at life.

Even better why doesn't the Imperium team up with the Ork to wipe the other xenos and heresy menace off the face of the galaxy?

You mean Shield of Baal : Devourer? Again, the misreading and misremembering strikes again.

Anrakyr does not say that. He says that battling the Tyranids have always been costly for him. A thing you must know about Anrakyr. He doesn't have a powerbase or a tomb world. He has no manufacturing power and no resupply station of his own. He gets by, by borrowing or stealing the warriors of other Overlords to replenish his army.

A fully awakened Tomb World has little to fear from the Tyranids.

>the tyranids have entire galaxies worth of biomass heading towards the milky way

Doesn't matter. An awakened Necron Empire controls space and time in the galaxy.

>Why are you bad at math?

Templar retconned to be 1100 and they were never said to be unstoppable (picture related). Fucking idiot.

>So I'm right there.

Right about what?

>So I'm right there.

No, utterly wrong. You thought the quote was about the entire Tyranid Hive Fleets, They were not.

And there was no statement anywhere stating that Leviathan is unstoppable.

>Actually just one. Again, terrible math skills.

Nope, you made thee mistakes.

-The Templar were't said to be unstoppable. They are canonically 1100 marines.
-If the Orks united as one race they would crush all, It's a meaningful because we have seen Orks in action and we know it as canon truth.
-You did not understand the quote about the Tyranids and lied about it

You fail miserably at the fluff.

That pretty much is. The Deldar agreed to help with the throne because they know that without it they're as fucked as everyone else.

And here is the bit from the novel about the Black Templar numbers.

I wish BTfags would update their fluff. It has been two years I think?

>Right about what?
Orks being unstoppable. Something you said made no sense at >And there was no statement anywhere stating that Leviathan is unstoppable.
>>However, Leviathan is only being slowed down rather than fully stopped, and it continues to assault all life in its path.
Sounds pretty unstoppable. And by that logic, if one Hive Fleet cannot be stopped, that means the Tyranids as a whole are unstoppable.

>you made thee mistakes.
You can't count, you can't logic, and you can't keep track of your own argument. You have failed as a human being.

Yeah, that shit will end up being retconned soon enough. If you did an experiment regularly over 15 years, getting the same result, then on the first day of the 16th year the results changed, would you throw out all your previous data? Or would you continue to see if the anomaly continues?

>Orks being unstoppable. Something you said made no sense at

Yeah, it made no sense because the Orks being unstoppable if they united, which is a canon truth, doesn't stop the Tau + Imperials being also unstoppable if it happened.

You bringing it up makes no sense.

>Sounds pretty unstoppable.

It cannot be stopped because the Imperials didn't go with 500% recruitment yet which is the rate they require to effectively combat the Hive Fleet. This is the quote you butchered.

>that means the Tyranids as a whole are unstoppable.

Nope, the Tyranids as whole require the whole galaxy to unite to stop them.

Notice at no point does the fluff you cited say the tyranids are unstoppable.

>You can't count, you can't logic, and you can't keep track of your own argument. You have failed as a human being.

You are talking about yourself.

You made mistakes about the Templar numbers. You didn't know what the quotes you referenced meant. A whole string of failure.

>Yeah, that shit will end up being retconned soon enough.

Nah.

The Black Templar numbers were retconned because they were being rolled in into the normal marine codex. They will stay there forever like the White Scars and Salamanders.

Here is the lasy (you) that you will recieve from me.

If the numbers were reduced because they were getting forced into the codex, why are they still not a 'codex' chapter. What rule functionality would having a chapter of 6000 or a 1100 have to do on the rules, your logic is flawed. People other places have pointed out that the iconography is the black templars is the reason, they are being put on the backburner and their arguments are much more logical than whay you present.

Posting exactly like Carnac, arguing exactly like Carnac, and being Carnac makes you Carnac.

>come onto teegee
>first thing I see is a thread arguing with the same old faggot again
fml baka desu senpai

It has nothing to do with the Templar being a codex chapter or not. It has to do with being folded into the normal marine codex. They don't want the Black Templar to stand out too much from normal marines and thus warrant their own supp.

If you an other explanation as to why GW lowered their numbers, I would like to read it.

Your posts shits up these threads more than him.
Nobody cares about the identity of the people on this board.

It because of you guys that /40k/ threads often degenerate into paranoia fests.

>It because of you guys that /40k/ threads often degenerate into paranoia fests.
Can't say I visit the general much, but if so, it seems like they do care.
Though in a perfect world, anyone who knew who it was would do the sensible thing and just stop responding.

>Doesn't matter. An awakened Necron Empire controls space and time in the galaxy
Still lost to Eldar/ Ork combo

The Imperium can't team up with itself to wipe chaos from a single world, what makes you think they can team up with others for a even greater feat?

Ok I'll bite.

Tau are a local power, one of the dozen alien empires that are a problem locally from time to time. They neither have the power nor the the technology nor the logistics to wipe out the Orcs.

Eldar propably were able before the fall, but did not care. Now they are lacking tech, manpower and logistics to pull it off.

Ally them: Eldar are dicks on a genetic level, they would kill a billion humans to save single Eldar.

Tau ideology is outright incompatible with any other. They work for supreme domination. Nothing bysides the greater good is allowed to exist.
They would infiltrate and undermine any ally, that is not watchful as hell and kills of their agents.

Orks on the other hand grow stronger through war - literally. Also smarter individuals pop up in war.
Procreate through spores which they shed all the time. Their imprinted knowledge hands them down awesome tech when they need it.
A galaxy wide attpemt to wipe them out would lead to the most fun wartimes they ever had. Expect the average Orc to be even tougher and bigger, coupled with more individuals like Ghazkul and Orkimedes.

Nids, Demons and maybe (big maybe, they lost a shitload of worlds) Necrons could pull it off.
The latter would propably steer the Orks away instead of fighting even if they could pull it. Faster and less costly.
Demons are demons.
'Nids also thrife to war, on the other hand Octavius was, depending on the edition, going for one side or the other. Victory depends on numbers alone in the end.

They decided to retreat after destroying the Old Ones and C'tan which weakened their empire and mortally wounded them as a race.

The Eldar and Orks weren't threats to the Necrons before that.

Necrons are past their prime, they slept far longer than planned. Many worlds were lost through attacks or malfunctions. Flayer and destroyer code is still nibling at their numbers.
Even a necron world awoken is by no means invictible, there's a fun pic depicting the random course of a WAAAGH. They rekt at least one Necron wold.

It's not a perfect world. You have indirectly caused irrecoverable damage to the board.

>Doesn't matter. An awakened Necron Empire controls space and time in the galaxy.
Nope, some necron cult does. The Necron as an Empire do not.

Actually, according to codex, should the Necrons awakened and unite they would be as numerous as the Imperium and it would take an alliance of the lesser races to stop them.

You forget that even with the lose of many tomb worlds, many more have endured. Also you forget that the Necrons possess an arsenal of super weapons (picture related). Hundreds of them.

>Flayer and destroyer code is still nibling at their numbers.

The Flayer and Destroyer curses do not lower the combat capabilities. The Destroyer curse actually makes them more deadly.

>Nope, some necron cult does. The Necron as an Empire do not.

No, the rest of the Necrons do as well. For example, the Breath of Gods was a galaxy creation tool kit of the Necrons that was discovered on a dead Necron world. capable of reforging the galaxy.

Also you have Shield of Baal Necron dynasty whose theme is star destroying weapons. The dynasty sold plenty of their weaponry to other dynasty.

And let us not forget that weapons that the Silent King used to destroy the C'tan. He hid them and can uncover them if the need rises.

Also Shield of Baal dynasty delights in creating space traps that confound and destroy enemy fleets.

Also-Also Orikan created a space temporal just because hew can.

Also-also The Maynarkh dynasty has a device that covered half a sector in abyssal darkness and calmed the Warp vortex that resulted from a star being fed to the Dolmen Gate.