How would you do Warrior culture?

Because obviously there wasn't a fight where the scabbard our sling got ripped off by said demon whose head she totally didn't take as a trophy.

Another element that really needs to be in the culture at large is a tradition of self-sacrifice or at least self-denial in service of something greater.

"When yer wounded and bleeding on Afghanistan's plans, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jes roll to your rifle and blow out yer brains, and go to your God like a soldier. Like a soldier of the Queen."

That's a hell of an end for an poem about army life. Just like "Let us die to make men free" is a hell of a line to be sung before battle. Or "In the time it takes us to die, other troops and commanders can come and take our places." is a hell of a pep talk before a battle.

If enough of your people don't really believe "that old lie" about dying for your country, you don't have a warrior culture, no matter how much you spend or how hard you train.

I'd also suggest that being a soldier as something that elevates rather than denigrates is a part of it.

The Skorne Empire from the Iron Kingdoms is an interesting one. They're godless desert elves whose society evolved out of nomadic raider bands. The "godless" part isn't just a slur, it's literally true. Their gods are either dead or never existed. And in the IK, if you don't have a god to catch your soul when you die, you fall through the cracks in the afterlife and into what amounts to Double-Hell.

The Skorne are very much aware of all this, and have a means of getting around it called Exaltation, trapping a departing soul in crystal. These crystals could even be attached to statues, giving the exalted new bodies. Trouble is, it's a difficult and resource-intensive process. So the Skorne choose only the worthiest souls to be preserved. And being raiders, they decided that the best way to decide who gets preserved is by their deeds in combat. Survival of the fittest was already a core part of their lives, but it very quickly came to overshadow everything else.

Eventually they formed a permanent caste-based society divided up into houses based on the old tribes. Lacking any significant rivals in their region, the houses turned to controlled wars with each other in order to establish dominance and identify those worthy of exaltation. That is until they discovered an entire continent of weak races to the west whose societies were based on things other than relentless murder (the pussies). Whereupon the houses promptly unified and went off on a conquering spree.

Pic related: a Skorne extoller (soul wizard) directing an ancestral guardian and a phalanx of immortals (different grades of exalted).

Tabletop gaming was a mistake.

That's the sword from the Blood animes

The Ur'Quan Kor'ah and Kzer zah then

>Double-Hell
>My double-sides

Context needed.

To be of the Warrior Class you must be aware of the danger, competent and able to understand the notion of sacrifice and duty.

The Death Korp of Kreig are mindless automatons, child soldiers that are bred to kill and slaughter. While understandably badass in the setting of 40k they are not, nor will they ever be the warrior classes.

They are not man-for-man better fighters or more able they just lack the capicity for fear and mortality.

Pretty chill dudes for the most part, except that they glorify violence and battle to an almost fetishistic degree.

I suppose a total lack of fear and no sense of self preservation would work in certain settings where running out of soldiers will never be an issue, and an individual trained soldier is worth next to nothing. A depressing thought.

More often than not a trained and experienced man is valuable. Having them throw themselves I to a wood chipper in hopes that it'll gunk up the machine's gears is not a smart use of that resource.

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everyone works, everyone fights, men die first but women die when they have to.

most actual warrior cultures in history were like this.

for example the army would be almost all men, women would only fight in defensive situations.

I'd just rip off my tribe honestly. We did it right and got results.
Here's an example: we're currently going south for the winter from mid canada to utah(disclaimer: that land is ours. All of it. Any attempt to convince us otherwise means death. We don't care if 90% of it sees us for like 5 seconds a year or that we only live in any 5% for half the year its ours, drop it.) and we see you hunting our buffalo. Well shit we gotta sit your ass down and tell you whats what.
Option A: give us that buffalo meat and we'll let you leave alive but enemies for life from here on out
Option B: give us that buffalo meat AND some shit, preferably food, (don't try negotiating that you alreadt gave us food from that buffalo you killed you can't gift us back shit you stole.) and you're friends for life*
*:Friends for life means us adopting you into our tribe, you must now live the way we do and believe in what we do. Any deviation will lead to us killing you.
Option C: we kill you and everyone you've ever loved while taking war wives from your young and maidens and mutilate your body because we believe that your physical state translates over into the afterlife and we like imagining our enemies spending eternity without their eyes, ears, nose, tongue, feet, hands, skin, or entrails(see custer's last stand in your history book.) and wandering lost forever in the closest approximation we have for hell.

Tl;Dr assimilate, die, or avoid us entirely and pray we don't find traces of your passage.

This is good

Feudal lords fighting each other nonstop for glory and territory.

There is a militant ruling class and the slaves/serfs/lower castes they exploit. Almost every single society from Bronze Age to Industrial Revolution that had some nasty neighbors can be called a Warrior culture, since the dudes with the sharp things and their continued ability to stab fools with said things completely defined all the rest of society.

That's basically every collectivist society ever, From Mongols to Soviets.

Option D - the guy shows his hunting license and you let him go, wiser folk giving head-smacks to overly-proud youth, since otherwise it ends in a huge scandal that leads to some people joining racial gangs in prison where they do time for armed assault, and your dudes getting kicked the fuck outta that reservation further north, away from the sane people.

I've been to some less civilized places still populated by tribal natives (not in America though), and while they can be quite territorial, I'm yet to see any actively looking for trouble with anyone with a set of identity documents.

Are we talking modern setting here? Also we do tribal law on my tribes rez. You'd be behind bars and have massive fines for hunting our buffalo until the tribal court trial was over.
If its not modern setting then your arguement is null and void we did that shit so effectively whites couldn't actually get any of us as slaves.

Explain

>Are we talking modern setting here
Nah, it's quite hard to make a "modern" setting Warrior Culture without ripping off Battletech or dipping into anime-tier shit.

>You'd be behind bars and have massive fines for hunting our buffalo
That sounds a lot more plausible that any of options given above.

> we did that shit so effectively whites couldn't actually get any of us as slaves
You just never met whites who were wholly and entirely determined to find a final solution to your problem, as opposed to a motley crew of assholes who want you to GTFO a few miles north so that they can build a copper mine.

I mean, even those guys can be shown out, but by that point there won't be any warrior culture left. Just ask Cossacks.

I'll probably use a warrior culture from history I see fit (Be it Spartans, Samurai, Knights or anything that works) and take a spin on it

>Nah, it's quite hard to make a "modern" setting Warrior Culture

Would you like to know more?

>militarized culture
Lots and lots of slaves.

That's Soldier culture though, not Warrior.

Potato, tomato.

Mandalorians.

...isn't that just the obvious, modern mutation of warrior culture? Citizenship and honor through service?

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Didn't you hear? Mandalorians are pacifists now.

Nah. They justed got bored killing squishy shit and declared war on the concept of war.

wut

Extreme tribalism coming from a harsh environment with barely enough resources to survive.

Fanatically collectivist with a deferred-payment/gift economy. You give your kinsman what he needs because you know he'll do the same for you if you need something.

Outside of the tribe it's open season. Raiding other tribes for resources is standard practice and the best way to gain status and respect in your society. Outsiders are hunted for sport and their possessions are taken.

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Alternatively, a rigid hierarchical system where the military caste is dominant and the other castes exist to support the military..

>...isn't that just the obvious, modern mutation of warrior culture
It's a mutation significant enough to draw a line between the two. Some quite serious differences in the entire philosophy, from ideals to means to goals.

After all, people mentioned Krieg above, and how it doesn't really fit the concept of the warrior culture, while a Krieger is the absolute of a soldier.

That would give you huntsmen culture, not warrior one. In such an asspain of an environment people will very rarely fight each other, since the basic survival takes up enough time and puts enough drain on the population.

It would probably be a country where ownership of weapons is literally the second most highly valued right, above even freedom from torture.

They probably wouldn't have been at peace for more than five years at any point in their history.

And you could assume they would spend more on their military than on education and infrastructure combined.

>don't even draft anymore
Amerikanski plz

Nice triple 2s.
The Americans get in to / cause enough shit already. Can you imagine how bad it would be if they had a conscript military 10x larger than their current one.

there is literally 0 difference. soldiers and warriors are the same thing.

Nah, they'd just follow the USSR after a few decades.

You don't need a draft if you keep the masses poor enough that voluntary military service is preferable to the life you'd have otherwise.

Except during Bush's "surge" in Iraq, the military literally has to turn away low-quality recruits because there are so many people who want to join.

>You don't need a draft
You still do. It's called mobilization. It something that happens when there is an actual war going on with serious casualties involved, and suddenly military service stops being a profession of any kind and becomes a rather reliable way to die.

So while there might still be a thin stream of patriots signing up, casualties replacement simply demands different numbers. You gotta get them somehow, and just some propaganda posters and shows won't cut it.

A lot of recycled elements from warhammer and 40k, both thematic and visually. Still somewhat interesting

Warrior is a lifestyle, that one takes up for himself because of what matters to him - be it wealth, honor, heritage or the sport of it. It implies certain cultural norms, certain morals, certain aspirations and certain mindset. Only a specific kind of a man can call himself a warrior, and he is in himself a thing and an individual as he fights because fight is what he is.

Soldiering is mostly something that happens to one of any trade, ideology or social position, and cares very little about what sort of man it has on hand, as the only thing important is that one does what he's told and does it well and quickly. Anyone can wake up a soldier one day, regardless of his character and background, and forced to fight. Soldier on his own is nothing, and becomes something only as a part of a collective, that fights not because that is the expression of self, but because it has to be done.

delusions of grandeur much? go onna rez and stfu

so open warfare with literally everyone else who lives in the same area? That sounds like a fantastic way to die to a man the day a larger tribe moves in.

While the Spartan culture is probably the most practical of warrior cultures, I have always liked the Orcish ideology.

Orcs believe that everything that exists in the world used to be the property of their ancestors. So, they raid and slaughter to get it all back. As it's all rightfully their's anyways.

Raid. Kill. Enslave.

>We did it right and got results.

Like what, getting your ass kicked by white people who weren't even trying hard?

If the government is willing to torture you, it's worth shooting

From a young age they will be trained in martial arts, science and general wisdom. When they come of age there will be conscription for both men and women. Warriors would have their individual mark on their blade, arrows, whatever which would mark the flesh of the enemy uniquely, once the battle is done they will collect the heads of the enemy they killed and hand them in for rewards and honor.

Their general fighting style would be that as the heavily armored cavalry front lines charge on horseback with mounted archers following behind them, stationed archers at the back fire a volley of arrows at the enemy, as the enemy raises their shields, the front line splits revealing the mounted archers who fire their arrows directly at the enemy. While the enemy is distracted with the mounted archers, some heavy cavalry fall back to protect the archers while the rest that have split flank the enemy from either side. The enemy is attacked from three sides and the foot soldiers charge in as reinforcement while all the archers will fire to the back of the enemy, where the melee fighters haven't yet arrived (if they can reach).

If a commander, lord, king etc. is slain then part of his skull would be worn as a medal by the slayer.

The deity of war would be a Goddess and only the best warriors would get to fuck her.

youtu.be/c-MNr_hMFGU?t=29

pic not related

Fighter nerds basically. They love to find new fighting techniques, stratagems, anything related to fighting so they're actually a friendly culture but pretty much ignores any tribe or culture that has no combat culture to offer.

They are practical but friendly even criticising their enemy's form mid combat trying to make them better fighters for the sake of challenge or praising them if they are an actual challenge. If they see potential they'll extend membership into their culture, even to their enemies.

They're happy to teach non combatants as well for food and protection and don't really care about alignment as long as you are fight well.

Ironically, they're happy to invite wizards and sorcerers for their fighting magic due to practicalities sake.

Not if you maintain a large standing voluntary army.

Which the US does, as we've never really decreased the size of our military in any significant way since the Cold War ended.

Also, advances in technology and the shift towards smaller numbers of highly trained professional soldiers means that you don't need the massive numbers that were utilized in, say, WWII.

Unless you're some third world shit hole fighting other third world shit holes and the big players aren't interested enough in your conflict to play proxy wars through you, let alone make you stop.

>Giant fucking square rock swords

The Seguleh were pretty cool.

Psychotic dudes who worship swordplay and wear masks with a number of lines painted on them based on their rank in the Segul heirarchy.

The Seguleh leader had a mask with one line on, and even gods were afraid of that guy.

Honourable warfare is used as a method of reducing civilian losses and destruction of infrastructure due to bad experiences in the past of scorched earth tactics meaning wars are often a case of two sides fighting until one side withdraws and rarely Last more than a single battle.

Some kind of hybrid between Rome and Revolutionary France.

>There is no nobility, because neither the duty of waging war nor the glory that comes from it should be exclusive to one class
>Universal conscription for men, but at least two thirds of them will remain active as reserves and do their normal day jobs except in the most dire of situations
>Whoever among the conscripts is sent out to the front is decided by lottery
>Those who dodge conscription as well as women will be denied fundamental political rights (like the right to vote or be elected)
>However, women are trained to function as militias because of the prevalent belief that only strong mothers can give birth to strong sons
>These militias are mostly in charge of enforcing internal order, a task that's relatively safe though not entirely bloodless
>Some of these militia women rather enjoy the idea of civic rights so they semi-legally join the military
>Warfare isn't merely treated as a defense of the Republic, but a duty for the expansion and glory of the Republic

So every citizen is a soldier, and every soldier a citizen. There is no separation between the two. Though some men and a very tiny number of women refuse to leave after their conscription has ended and become professionals, often joining elite units. To those without markatable skills this could be pretty profitable, as these elite units tend to pay their troops very well.

>we did that shit so effectively whites couldn't actually get any of us as slaves.
Ahahahahahahaha you are funny kid.
You realize that american indians were enslaved, and they kept dieing because they were not resistant to European diseases so the practice was stopped since it was not cost effective.
Also if your people were so effective they would not have needed to be granted land by the american government as an apology for nearly genociding your people and culture.

>So every citizen is a soldier, and every soldier a citizen. There is no separation between the two. Though some men and a very tiny number of women refuse to leave after their conscription has ended and become professionals, often joining elite units. To those without markatable skills this could be pretty profitable, as these elite units tend to pay their troops very well.
So mandatory service? I mean that is done currently, it doesn't make a warrior culture really.
To have a warrior culture you need the warrior part to be a central part of the identity of the people, it needs to be what they live eat and breath.
Something along the lines of people that have been beaten back so far that everyone must fight, if you can't fight you die.
Or something like a nation of mercenaries, if the warrior part is not central to the culture it isn't a warrior culture, if you look at stuff like Sparta for instance the warrior part was central to their cultural identity, so you would need something that does the same thing.

children are born and raised to be soldiers, be it through daily life such as with the mongols, homeschooling with knights or institutional training like with the spartans or hitler youth. every man knows how to fight and fight god damned well.

there is a strong code of honor and manliness that governs mens behavior. there is harsh discipline for breaking these rules. usually whipping or death.

the fundamental unit of society is the barracks, not the family. men and women live seperately and have vastly different roles to play. women's job is to give birth to more men. mens job is to kill the societies enemies.

The society usually relies on slaves and conquered people to perform day to day work such as farming. weapons production may be done by slaves or a dedicated weapons production division of the army. entire sectors of the economy are under military control such as the railroads in germany or the helots in sparta. If the army needs something, it simply takes it, such as with the mongol hordes.

settlements are heavily fortified such as fuedal castles, and fortress cities. or they are entirely mobile.

Bold Intimidating national symbols. the legion eagle, the swatiska, the hammer ans sickle, the lamba, the deaths head, the ISIS flag, the cruscader cross, the rising sun. they all use dramatic red or black colors with fucking terrifying unmistakable symbolism

warrior cultures dont usually have the best weapons, but they do have the best tactics and strategy. their generals are the best, hands down. their junior officers are all hard as nails badasses. they probably have many schools dedicated to the study of war. but fewer schools for engineering.

absolutely zero anime shit

>children are born and raised to be soldiers, be it through daily life such as with the mongols, homeschooling with knights or institutional training like with the spartans or hitler youth. every man knows how to fight and fight god damned well.
Also anime shit
>there is a strong code of honor and manliness that governs mens behavior. there is harsh discipline for breaking these rules. usually whipping or death.
5edgy6me
>the fundamental unit of society is the barracks, not the family. men and women live seperately and have vastly different roles to play. women's job is to give birth to more men. mens job is to kill the societies enemies.
7edgy8me
>warrior cultures dont usually have the best weapons, but they do have the best tactics and strategy. their generals are the best, hands down. their junior officers are all hard as nails badasses. they probably have many schools dedicated to the study of war. but fewer schools for engineering.
So a generic combat anime protag?

>To have a warrior culture you need the warrior part to be a central part of the identity of the people, it needs to be what they live eat and breath.
Making a direct connection between citizenship and conscription means a warrior culture. The only thing that doesn't make Switzerland a warrior society is its constitutional neutrality. The connection between participation in the res publica and the military is what made Rome, on the other hand, a warrior society (THE warrior society even) in the first place.

That, and the fact that women can still be citizens without having to be conscripted. That's bullshit.

So Armenia, Austria, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Bermuda, Brazil, Burma, Cyprus, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, Greece, Iran, Israel, North Korea, South Korea, Mexico, Norway, Russia, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, and the UAE are all warrior cultures then?
I would say the USA has a stronger warrior culture then a lot of those nations because we pride ourselves on military combat so much.

>So Armenia, Austria, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Bermuda, Brazil, Burma, Cyprus, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, Greece, Iran, Israel, North Korea, South Korea, Mexico, Norway, Russia, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, and the UAE are all warrior cultures then?
That depends on their foreign policy. On top of that in most of those countries, like Denmark, conscription is just a formality. I'd say out of those countries only Israel fits the bill because they constantly have to deal with Palestinian scum.

>I would say the USA has a stronger warrior culture
Not only has America not practiced conscription since 'Nam, but even if it were to introduce conscription at least a quarter of young men would be unfit. America's military is strong and a lot of pride is derived from that, but I wouldn't call it a warrior culture. A militant one, but not one of warriors.

I dunno, what kind of warrior culture?
Are they known for lone wolf mercenaries? Probably a self-sufficient raiding based lifestyle et al Huns

Aristocracy or warrior elite?
Classic praetorian influences, have the king's guard or some regiment hold him for their own ends, with a landed aristocracy consistently attempting to remove their influence from the leader or replace him entirely.

It's really broad and you can pull warrior culture off so many ways.

Conscription is not required for a warrior culture, what even gives you that idea that it is required?
Rome not everyone was requires to serve in the legion you had different classes of people, if you have a warrior caste you have a warrior culture.
Also of the nations listed the only ones that allow non combat or civilian rolls roles for the duration are.
Belarus
Denmark
Mexico
Norway
Russia
Israel
Some do allow partial but overall most those nations have compulsory service and do not have a strong warrior culture.
How about you do some research before you make broad generalizations?

>Conscription is not required for a warrior culture, what even gives you that idea that it is required?
Gee. It's almost as if we're trying to define "warrior culture" here.

>Rome not everyone was requires to serve in the legion
>legion
Wow, that's a knock-down argument. Such a shame you're almost a century too late
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_army_of_the_mid-Republic

How about you do some research before accusing others of not doing their research?

>Wow, that's a knock-down argument. Such a shame you're almost a century too late
>Service in the legions was limited to property-owning Roman citizens, normally those known as iuniores (age 16-46).
Sure is discredited in the argument you linked.

Also the article still refers to the military as the legion, what even is your argument here?

Oh here we go again, another native with dreams of grandeur and believes that his people could beat the "white man" if they'ed try. Let me give you a recap of your history with white man.You were killed, enslaved, raped, dismembered for shits and giggles, we gave you blankets covered with smallpox on purpose, we gave you alcohol because we knew how destructive it was, we almost succeeded in wiping your race out (one of the reasons you survived is because you didn't sacrifice children and humans like the Aztecs/Incas/Mayans)and if all the native tribes somehow banded together to drive the "white man" out of "your" country, we'd beat your ass again, Geneva convention be dammed.

>Geneva convention
Pretty sure the Indian nations never signed that, so it doesn't really apply to them, also pretty sure they would be considered nonuniformed combatants and not be subject to the protections of it anyways.

Harsh cultures are created by harsh environments. Maybe resource poor, like you see in the war torn regions of modern Africa, maybe coming from a difficult climate, like the Vikings, maybe being surrounded by hostile nations, like Rome. Pick one or more of those and flesh it out.

Then come up with a culture and worldview which is shaped by those circumstances. If you live in the freezing fucking cold, you'll probably be more grim and fatalistic than if you live in a temperate region, and so on.

And then create religious and political practices that support and reinforce the worldview of the people. More warlike cultures tend to revere warlike gods, whereas more stable cultures typically are focused around fertility and harvest gods. And cultures that see conflict as an integral part of their identity are less likely to have long lineages of kings or democratic bodies. They tend to turn toward warlords and dictators, and often see military and political power as the same thing.

You also need to decide if you want to do an actual warrior culture, or a military culture. Warrior cultures are usually primitive and somewhat nomadic. They are good at pillaging and conquering, but not governing. If its an established empire, it will have evolved into one with a military tradition, but that will be more disciplined and ritualized than a true warrior culture, and often subservient to a political and economic power base.

I was more talking about "white man" not following the Geneva convention. However, if the native's never signed the convention, than that would mean they are not protected by it, correct?

If you actually take this idea, you could even come up with some pretty interesting plot points. Like the government claiming there are dangerous terrorists and weapons of mass destruction in places that are economically interesting and then going to war in those places.
Or spreading the gospel of 'freedom' as long as it means the freedom to go to war and allows you to portray your enemies as freedom-haters.

I'm not trying to be anti-pol here, those are genuinely interesting plot points.

Do you need to adhere to the Geneva convention against people that didn't sign it? I was always under the impression you didn't.

> portray your enemies as freedom-haters.

I really hope you don't belive that seriously.

>I'm not trying to be anti-pol here

With the last sentece you were simply being an idiot, and I'm saying that as someone who hates /pol/.

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Would a people of warriors even have conscription? Wouldn't their armies be volunteers?

I've played politruk before. One of the key points of successful propaganda is not letting anyone question whether you actually believe it yourself or not.

>They are not man-for-man better fighters

Actually, they have higher weapon skill than regular guardsmen. So objectively, they are.

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I would say Cadia or Voystrians are a better example, Cadia is a warrior society where you serve and and serving is a major part of society.
Voystrians have the whole warrior cast among the first born children, and all of the responsibilities and ethos that that entails.

I have a lot of ideas for such a culture but I simply cannot think of a rational reason why women wouldn't be second-class citizens, both based on capabilities and precedent without some serious magic injected into the setting.

Because there is not enough manpower to use that distinction unless the women are actively carrying child.

This is just bad bait. I'm a /pol/ack yet I don't want to get banned for telling this redskin some history. (Aka, White>Red)

Neato.

That's probably Saya from the same shows then, since she was in vietnam.

Anyways, see Rome (basically never not at war) or maybe Germany under Bismarck.

Generally for a "warrior culture" you're going to want the military to have outsize impact on politics, culture, and have much of society participating. If you want a less-formal version of things, there's the culture of the Jianghu in wuxia fiction, or knights in european stuff. A warrior culture doesn't have to be its own nation, it can exist inside another country, in the adventurer's guilds and taverns of the land.

Could be cultural stuff-like if a highly religious society views women as more resistant to temptation, they'd make better officers and commanders. Also ...I should write up a highly ritualized, almost theocratic warrior society. That'd be fun.

Strange, because I was under the impression that if you signed the Geneva convention, you had to adhere to it for everyone. However, that could be left winged propaganda that I was feed to as a child. Personally, I hope you're right and not I.