Warhammer 40k general

1000 point Rengade army. Tips, advice?

HQ
Arch-demagogue (bloody handed reaver, hot-shot pistol, carapace armor)
9 Disciples (plasma gun, heavy weapons team mortar, carapace armor, vox)

Troops
3x10 Renegade Grenadiers (each w/ 2 hotshot volley, 2 melta guns, carapace armor)

Transport
4 Chimeras (autocannon, militia training)

Heavy
2 Rapier Lasers (militia training)

Your guess is as good as mine.

But whatever it is, it must be really dire to make the admech abandon all their factories and goodies.

>Who will win?
Lady Malys. She stole the secrets while everyone was busy fighting. It's kind of her thing.

Forgeworld's pet chapter who is also involved.

Maybe Men of Iron woke up and the cogboys decided to leave and then start up shop again once the robutts run out of juice.
>yfw the AdMech gets the Men of Iron to soften up the Tau

>grenadiers as your staple troop
why?

You can't really do much with 1000 points. You look a little infantry/firepower light. I'd drop the Chimeras or Disciples upgrades to either add more cheap bodies or more cheap firepower like Rapiers. Rapiers are some of the best bang for buck in the game depending on what weapon you mount.

A chapter who's tactics are now overshadowed by the IH.

I hope so.

Though I believe Tyranids have had their book updated at least once.

Orks have not.

So guys, what's the verdict (just looks/design)
New or Old?

I like the new one it feels consistent with the Manta designs and is very sleek, but it looks a bit large and isn't really in line with the other Tau vehicles in my opinion.

Guys with the second best loyalist colour schmeme

Ad mech and suddenly all Imperial armies will be able to deploy volkite weapons again.

I kind of prefer the new one. Its flatter, so it feels more like a plane, even if is somewhat larger when viewed from above.

The new one is winning me over.

By the black legion?

So regarding the stormlance demi battle company, am I right in that:
A unit MUST shoot in order to get the 1d6 extra movement?
Vehicles in the formation also get to move 1d6 after shooting?

Nay! By the Hammers of Dorn!

I like the new one apart from the tail fins. Being all squared off they look too imperial to me. Probably fairly easy to leave them off though.

that seems like RAW. Almost certainly not RAI, but this is GW we're tallking about.

Cause I swear its like that is the scheme for the black legion.

Reformed the list i posted some days ago, thoughts on my spushal snowflake?

I think they're both ugly, but I prefer the newer one slightly. It's a bit more sleek.

Best build for thunder wolf calvery?

>I4
so faster than any other humans, and any aliens save eldar and some nids.
>thinks being feared in general=Fear USR
given that the Fear USR is pretty damn worthless in 40k, I'm going to go with 3 fuckoff out of 3.

I prefer the old one because I'm familiar with them and they have the wide, manta ray look that I associate with Tau.

The new ones are very sleek but are a bit too sharp/angular to look similar to Tau. But I guess that's just the style they're going with now with high tech Riptides and stuff. They're getting less organic/boxy and more high tech. You can see this when comparing XV8 to XV9.

God no, the CSM players butthurt would implode this board if that happened.

How do you build Orks now that tankbustas can't grenade things and KFF doesn't work in vehicles?

We were already the worst codex, did we really need this nerf?

Would using Dark Angels models for a Tzeentch army be a good idea. I'm thinking a Wizard look might be nice, but really I'm struggling to come up with a good style that fits Tzeentch other than tentacles everywhere.

>so faster than any other humans

Callidus is like initiative 7.

Storm shields, everything else is circumstantial.

DA are the most wizardy marines with their robes. Go for robes and hoods on everyone and give everyone force staves and books and watchers/chaos spell familiars. Paint the robes muted blue, grey, or red.

Army of wizards.

Assassins aren't exactly what you would call human anymore.

Well, are power axes worth it? Or power swaaaards. They seem outclassed by hammers and claws

>Yet another Tau imperial armour

oh boy, they really need all these new formations and units.

That is a good question.

> KFF doesn't work in vehicles

Since when?

The Ork Codex says it bestows the Invulnerable to the vehicle if the bearer of it is embarked upon said vehicle.

The Hammers of Dorn have reappropriated your color scheme and made it respectable in the eyes of the Imperium, and hated by the Word Bearers and Ultramarines.

They are, but they can work with pretty much everything, you can pack even 1-2 powerfists just to deal with the tough things.

>The Tau vs *
>Who will win

I can't tell if you're joking or not, to sell more models to tryhard waacfags the tau are unstoppable and win in every piece of media and fluff written by anyone at GW.

Cool, sounds like it'll be just what I'm looking for then.

I didn't want to go with Thousand Sons, since I've heard they aren't as good, though I wish I could get Psyker champions for other squads.

Would taking that new Sorcerer Formation and splitting them across my army be a good call?

Good thing its a FW book then

Loyalists: "And the shirts on your back too"

Why are chaos fans so damn bitchy

Weird how Tau is the faction they're pushing now. Is it to get the weebs?

Tau = #1

Dumb gue'la go home

Well, maybe they'll use this new IA book to show off how cool the Skitarii/Admech are and why everyone should stop buying Tau and get this new army. Nothing says "Buy our shit!" like a bunch of new formations and a book of pretty pictures!

Name one recent book outside their codex where the Tau won.

You can't.

Its probably that they saw the success of the Riptide in 6e, and thought it was just people wanting bigger robots rather than a bunch of WAACfags jumping on the army because Riptides were cheese.

The Tau/Raven Guard supplement.

Thandros campaign.

Move on to other games if you arent already.

What if the Space Wolves actually had a successful successor chapter?

Been using IG rough riders a lot more often in my games. I never realized how reliably they can kill space marines.

>Women in the Black Legion
Nigga that better be a Daemonette in disguise or I'm going to go Angron on your sorry ass

It'd be even more special snowflake than normal wolves.

>Thandros
I mean Taros

As someone that know next to nothing about admec, what do they use for air support? Do they have the same kind of agreement with the navy as they do with some knight houses or just call on the Imperial Navy if they need them? Do they pilot any of their own fighters/bombers?

>Female Chaos cultists don't exist

I'd allow it. But only if they were called the Space Corgis.

>Taros
>recent

probably from the RPG and it's an attached rogue psyker/sorceror.
You know, like happens in the RPG.
To laszy to check, but do the renegades rules allow for the sort of powerful witches and such that show up in the rpgs?

There are rogue psyker covens, but I don't think those are very strong.

Because every single update GW makes, something gets taken away and given to Loyalists, or they nerf something in our Army.

We. Have. Nothing. To. Have. Fun. With.

Ork players at least get to do all sorts of crazy and cool conversions and have fun with their army through that, even if they do suck on the table even harder than CSM.

CSM has been the punching bag of GW for almost a decade now, how long do we have to pay for 3.5e Iron Warriors before we are forgiven?

it's a human psyker you spastic

Either Cultists got some special rules while I wasn't looking, orthat bitch is not shooting psychick dakka. Odd, could've sworn thereweren't any Female Sorcerers either.

Until someone at GW actually plays them, and cares about them. That's about it. I'm glad when I came back to the hobby a year ago I shelved my csm.

The crimes of chaos can never be forgivin. Gw is purging you

The have servitor piloted lightings.

Neither are marines.

Oh I know. I picked up Necrons when the 7ed update came out, but I am getting worried how they've not recieved any updates since. Other than that small Armory thing, which wasn't that good

Sorcerer = space marine psyker turned to chaos
Psyker = any human with psychic potential

Imperials always lose in FW books though.

You're retarded

I would forgive you for the sins of the Iron Warriors, but my forgiveness won't help anything.

so trying to represent and outbreak of the Pilgrims of Hayte on the table top would require basically making my own rules, and not just some houserules.

Got it.

>We. Have. Nothing. To. Have. Fun. With.

That's because your definition of fun is cheese.

I see your legion and raise you a crusade

Fuck Slaanesh lashers

At least you know you'll get something in the future

My army has lost its individuality and options more and more with each update, soon it will be nothing more than an alternative paint scheme to give your ultramarines

>Confusing the chapter that loves Dorn with the one that looks almost exactly the same but hates Dorn and pretty much everyone else on the Loyalist's side.

Not really. Just house rule that renegade psykers can buy additional mastery levels, and expand the psychic powers they have access to.

That is, assuming there isn't some other weirdness about that scenario

I still field CSM now and then. But the only fun left in that army comes from putting a bunch of FW models on the table. Im starting a double Avenger Renegade Knight as soon as I finish 6 more Plague Drones. So once thats done, the Death Guard will see the table for a game or two.

That book is just so lacking compared to other codexes. I cant believe theyre continuing to let it ride.

What would you consider some fun fluffy rules that CSM get?

CSM should get Mob Rule.

And where did you get that from? Because of the Iron Warriors mention? I didn't play back then, I've only heard the rumours.

Regardless, I'd settle for a mid-tier codex at this point, something decent that would stand a reasonable chance against most lists even without Heldrake or Daemon summon spam.

I just want to have a game against something else than Orks and have a chance at winning.

Moraina the Weeping Girl is a member of the Black Legion. She came to Abaddon and offered her services.

well, some mutants based on the genestealer cult abhorrents, some USR, and and a FMC that's basically a refluffed bloodthirster with lower WS and BS and higher wounds.

And the Maiden of Pain, which can send out deadly novas in the psykic phase that hit friendly units too.

oh sweet, the worst special rule in the entire game gets added to the worst faction in the entire game. just squat them already and be done with it.

>our vows were taken
>our sword brethren cast aside
>filthy, heretical, disgusting psykers forgiven
>they DARE to say we are no longer fearless in combat
its ridiculous what they did to us brother. we are fathers to a murdered codex, husbands to murdered fluff, and we will have our vengeance, in this edition or the next.

Just give it up. GW is never going to get 40k rules/balance to a respectable level. Dont chase that carrot.

>not taking the time to realise the guy posting the black legion was poking fun at a loyalist chapter
don't bother calling the commissar, ill hang myself.