/swg/: Pilots of Pamarthe Edition

Sadly, we have no idea when a BH book will be forthcoming; even if we do get an announcement of the book being released, we'd likely be waiting months before it actually being released.

I would love to see stats for stuff from Starfighter and Jedi Starfighter, as well as pilot cards for prequel Jedi.

You can also turn your action into a maneuver for 2 strain free maneuvers.

I was reading that post about Savage spirits and I was a bit perplexed. Why would they have made an executioner specialization for the seeker? That sounds very unjedi

We seem to.accidentally have two threads going

So is moving and going into cover one manuever or two?

If you were looking to move between range bands (short to medium or vice versa, engaged to short and vice versa), as well as taking cover, then that would be two maneuvers.

I say stick to this one, it was created first and has more discussion than just X-wing going.

FFG never talks about a product before the product announcement, and all info for the product is in their various announcements on their site. That said Bounty Hunter will be probably be late this year/first quarter next year.

As for Mandalorian armor, it's just whatever you decide to call Mandalorian armor. If you mean something along the lines of some crazy customizable super durable armor, then Heavy Battle Armor or something like the Segmented/Augmentative Armor you can craft in Keeping the Peace.

FaD isn't about Jedi. It's about force-sensitives. So while the game generally assumes you're a do-gooder, it still leaves open various routes, particularly with EotE and FaD, where you can be a more darker/evil character without getting your character sheet automatically taken away.

The Jedi are dead by the time FaD takes place. Your player characters may be invested in rekindling them, but they also may not. Ergo, the careers represented are less "THis is a Jedi" and "This is an aspect of a Force-wielder." Most of them are compatible with or representative of the Jedi, but there's one or two careers (lookin' at you, Aggressor) that are straight up just how some dude learned to stop worrying and use his Force abilities to straight up terrify people into submission.

Cause a lot of people want to play acolytes or inquisitors, and even when they don't there's always going to be that one player that makes an effort to Fall head first.

I saw a lot on people buying 2 to 3 lambda shuttle. what's the appeal ? Just the cards ? Epic play ?

Several multi-shuttle builds were popular in wave 2, 3 and 4 as they can be very powerful with certain crew. Still pretty good today, the winner of the euro regionals used a multi shuttle build IIRC.

Spacebump

Shuttles have some good cards, like Sensor Jammer, or Advanced Sensors. Both of those are amazing for anything with a system slot. Beyond that, the shuttle is a fairly low cost, cannon-slot, 3-die attack ship that wreck some face. It doesn't dodge worth shit, but it's decent. And can take tactician.

Fucking thank you for noticing the lack of Morningstars, Mantis (an under appreciated gem of a shipfu), and scarabs

Ya know what, you're an user of taste in ships.

Here's one from Starfighter for ya, Morningstar.

3 omicron pilots with a kitted out soontir fel has proven better than thought

I got my ass handed twice in a row with Dash because I was facing munitions.

Now I'm hankering for some ordinance. Does anyone have any good Rebel lists that use munitions? Only combo I have is an E wing with flachette torpedoes, munitions failsafe and fire control system.

Nera Dantels with a Proton Torp, Deadeye, Extra Munitions, and Guidance Chip.

Enjoy!

So, just go done playing pic related. Game is hella fun, but I wish there was a bit more to it. Any word on expansions? If not, any ideas for what the expansions could be? I'm thinkig specific abilities for planets, more heroes, more troop options, maaaaybe new planets.

And with that caption which only half describes my life, I would like to take this time at 1:44 AM EST to talk a little about Michael Stackpole and his writing. I guess I'll spoil the discussion and pray that the Janitor is merciful upon me.

Alright, so some days ago I recieved some Stackpole books that are a bunch of murder mysteries. One appears to be a paranormal type, and the other two take place in an alternate history where "the 1993 attack on the Twin Towers brought them down, killing over 60,000. In response, America ratified the Patriot Amendment to the Constitution and went to war with Al Qaeda. In 1996, terrorists attacked the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, wiping out the left wing of American politics and vaulting Newt Gingrich into the White House" Also, the Homeland Security are like the super cops, often called by detractors (in story) 'Gestapo'.

Now, I know what you're thinking, and the answer is that this book is pretty okay so far. I'm about halfway through a book that's less than 200 pages and the protagonist is female so there is (so far) a distinct lack of Stackpole's Only Subplot.

On the other hand, this book has a few hard sells when I sit and think about it. For instance; the premise. Bombing the DNC wouldn't necessarily wipe out the left wing. Any sitting Congressperson, for instance. Or mayors, state legislatures, hell even the regular voters. Not EVERYone goes to the DNC. Or the revelation that the victim of the crime was shock/horror HOMOSEXUAL!!!! Because I guess Don't Ask Don't Tell was expanded into everyday life because Those Wacky Republicans TM? I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as to Stackpole's political leanings but I'm getting a definite vibe from this and from X-Wing, come to think of it. I'm not usually one for literary criticism, but I guess it just feels weird to read an author I like outside of the narrow box I normally see him in.
By the way, Zahn's non-SW is excellent.

>By the way, Zahn's non-SW is excellent.
yep, I actually read one of his books before I ran into the star wars EU by pure chance and it was honestly great

as for the rest, it honestly reminds me of Unintended Consequences, but from the other side of the table
I'm slightly disappointed that a writer that I actually like is unable to resist sticking his political dick in it beyond what is inherit to in his writing, but ah well

>Unintended Consequences
Well I looked up a book with that title and if that's what you meant wow am I not interested in it. Sheesh.

I dunno if Stackpole is being overly political or if I'm becoming better at spotting things. Like I guess maybe a bit of his point in the victim is that without the decade of social change we had before the real national tragedy maybe things continue to be hush hush about who sticks what tallywhacker in whose hooha and it's so prevalent that when the protagonist informs the victim's Catholic parents (awful lot of Catholics in this book. It takes place in NYC but come on) they're less worried about him being dead than anybody finding out he like dudes.

I mean it's not a bad book overall, i just have to kind of gold my questions about things in.

>Well I looked up a book with that title and if that's what you meant wow am I not interested in it. Sheesh.
oh no, it's stone cold crazy, sure. I happen to know a few things about the mostly-far-right-but-not-in-a-racist-way, and that book is pretty much essential to understanding how they see the world
>I dunno if Stackpole is being overly political or if I'm becoming better at spotting things.
oh no, it's surely overly political. if he realizes it or not is the better question

also,it has rather a bit of "if the other side wins, it's the end of the goddamn world" sort of silly political fiction to it, even if it ain't conscious, so I don't respect it

I'm honestly not buying it. Al Quaeda has not a thing to do with homosexuality beyond hating it. truth be told, I'd honestly figure that going all war on terror all 24/7 earlier would have actually been neutral-OK in the gay rights business, seeing as the attention of the right would be all about 'terrorism', to the right and left (far right boys did not do well under the terrorist panic, son) rather than social conservative stuff; lots of "who gives a fuck if they're gay, as long as they're AMERICAN"

TBQH, this feels like the author is butthurt about catholic school and republicans and wrote a book about how those things being important would be 100% horrible and some dumb bastard decided to publish it

you drinking when you do your reviews, questy? if so, get at it harder, it'd funnier that way, if not, why not?

How would 3 omicron + whisper fair today ?

are you people ready for Star Wars to die as a franchise in the next 20 years?
I mean it's basically amazing that it held out for so long but let's face it the new movies would be forgotten in a decade, and nu-canon is objectively shit, it won't have the same following 90's and early 2000's EU had, we will live to see Star Wars literally die.

Old canon was much shittier.
>Every book had a special mary sue jedi.
>Things like SunCrusher exist and all resolve by shitty plot
>Every video game was over the top shit like that youtube.com/watch?v=edK6XE4PE1I
>Force sensitive droid
>Chewbacca got a moon thrown at him
>Mount sorrow a speaking mountain that cure disease
>Palpatine clones

you basically only had to pay a license had have your book, no matter his content, as long as it was SW related, get the Official EU stamp.

StarWars wont die, it's pop culture now, people said the same as you do today for countless things that still exist.
Also SW7 is objectively better than at least 4 others SW.

SW in eh hands of disney is the best things that mean 30 ultra high budget movies in 30 years. Not 6 in 30 years.

The only thing people liked in the EU was the whole VIDEOGAME pat of it, things like Kotor..

The old EU is just much better. And all you "nothing exist but SW prototype unheard of screening of 1776 and nothing else" will eat your balls when Marvel (so disney) published 3-4 Old republic series comics at the same times.

The new EU is much better*
Also I look like a slav with phone autocorrect, but my point still stands.

>Implying the EU had any impact on Star Wars popularity outside of a small niche of the Star Wars audience

I won't argue with you because nothing you wrote is even worth consideration, but seriously how can someone have such shit taste, it's like you were born to be a vermin pleb that ruins other people's franchises and art

Horseshit

learn your history fag no one gave a shit about Star Wars in the late 80's it would have died if Heir to the Empire didn't came out, and a franchise without anything being released out of it is dead franchise which is exactly what's going to happ to Star Wars in 20 years

Unintentionally fitting image given he's had about as much influence as nucanon to people who give a shit
also both are terrible

I think the best parts of the EU were the early video games to be honest.

When Lucas finally gave the go ahead to Lucasarts to make SW they went at it full force and we got X-Wing, TIE fighters, Dark Forces, Jedi Knight etc.

Sure there were stinkers as well, but would we really love Thrawn as much as we did if we didn't have TIE Fighter?
Perhaps, but not as much I think.

That's some strong counter arguments there.

t. Disney Executive

Whisper is a little too expensive to run with 3 shuttles. Even a basic lambda with baffles is 22, so 66 for 3 leaving 34 points. That'll be the Inquisitor, vader, soontir, jax, Turr, or more smaller ships. Good list though, fun to fly.

A Rebels flavored expansion would be easy to do. You've got the Ghost crew, Inquisitors, Lothal and surrounding systems, stuff like that.

I'd love to see more variation in the military. A-Wings, Interceptors, etc.

A scum 3rd player might be doable.

TFA was bad and you should feel bad for shilling it J.J

>flying, fighting, or ..?

What is the third thing everyone knows Pamarthens are supposed to be good at?

Flower Decoration

>The new EU is much better

No. The New EU has been highly hit or miss.

Tarkin was complete shit, and Aftermath was incredibly poorly written.

"It wibbled and wobbled herkily-jerkily"

Seriously? How does shit like that make it past an editor?

I wish it actually had been bad so people like you could admit that it was good. Oh what society hates it no I love it!

Tarkin was decent, Aftermath was shit because the author is a shit writer who assumes all criticism stems from the political ship on his shoulder. Yeah, it sucks that he's slated for two more books, but he's got nothing on Traviss.

Lords of the Sith was great, Lost Stars was great, Bloodlines is superb.

Just about all Nucanon we've gotten has been better than 90% of the EU. Granted, that's not a high bar to set, but there you go. And if the rumors are true, Thrawn's getting recanonized soon, so there's that.

Okay.

>if he realizes it or not is the better question
Well it's part of a series called Home Security Services and the premise implies he knows what he's on about. And I guess I should get a look at the damn book just so I can understand why America has the recurring problem of Someone shot up a school oh god, how could this happen there is LITERALLY NO WAY TO PREVENT THIS. Maybe we should have more guns?

I think Stackpole is definitely right-leaning or at least very pro-military. One only has to read his Star Wars fare to see that. About the gay thing.... in the book, one of the things that Citizens (yes, capital C) are required to do is work for the government for three years before they can actually BE Citizens and have the right to vote. And the right wing in the good ol US of A is notoriously afraid of the peepees touching. Also people going to the bathroom And since they're the only game in town in the AU...

Oh, and the Catholic thing, It's just that the protag is (and family) and so's the victim (and family) and I'm pretty sure everyone else is some variant of WASP, so really I'm just expecting something different. I mean, even a Jewish person as NYC cliche as it is.

I don't drink.

Traviss at least had some interesting perspectives on the clones as individuals.

They had personalities, hopes, dreams, relationships.

And then there was the fact that she was spot-on about the moral decline of the Jedi. Having no problem using a cloned army of child soldiers that had been mysteriously commissioned back around the time of the Naboo blockade.

And that the entire saga does boil down to a religious war between two different factions of Force users.

Granted, her Mando fangirlism was a bit much, but she hit on some pretty deep themes.

> A scum 3rd player faction might be doable

And of course it would be lead by the mighty TYBER ZANN

clearly your negative iq mind have reading comprehension problems, because the first thing I've said is I'm not going to argue with you

>hit and miss

So basically back to the old status quo on Star Wars supplement quality

Of all the things I will say about the "Talifan" meltdown, I will say she hit the clone trooper soldier mentality well, if you ignore the fact that she took the mandalorians and put them on a golden throne. Perhaps if she got to nail an SAS commando or navy SEAL wearing a boba fett helmet who shouted "beskar" at climax just once to get it out of her system she could have toned it down, but at any rate she had an interesting perspective at troop level. Star Wars lacks micro-stories and perspectives, and I feel she does those pretty well. It's where she goes macro where things get wonky.

I think the Jedi were clearly like "wtf" about the clones, it's just that GL was bad at expressing that. In the clone wars series, there very clearly is ambivalence at the whole thing, and he series brought some of her points to bare, but better than she did in many ways.

FFS they even broke away from traditional Star Wars writing where the mandalorians weren't universally super Viking Mongols with space guns, whereas in old EU writing if the first appearance of a Hutt was a gangster they must ALL be gangsters. If the first chiss was a genius, they must ALL be geniuses... If the first Mandalorian was fett, they must all be fett, etc.

I'd say the old stuff had more hits than misses, but that might simply be because there was so damn much of it.

Right now the new stuff is too new, and there isn't enough of it yet, so the balance between the good stuff and the bad stuff is very uneven.

I just hope that the guy who wrote Aftermath gets dropped.

I've seen better quality writing from fan fiction authors. If I wanted "wobbly wobbly herkily jerkily" I'd fucking watch Doctor Who.

Glad I proved the New Eu is the best.

They literally ruined everything after Episode VI with the shitty movie and Rebels is the shittiest thing that happened to SW ever pretty much
>"muh spinning lightsaber"
>"muh blaster/lightsaber that a literal shit kid built"
>"muh kiddy cutsie humor xD"
>"muh shit story lines that go no where"
how can anyone defend that shit,you can't redeem what's already been damaged to the point of no return, Disney just can't do SW they can only do le Disney simple one sided characters so bright and funn for stupidss xD

That is the worst format for an argument I've ever seen. Could you try again, this time writing like an adult?

>Star Wars is a serious property for serious persons such as myself.

You can't ruin Rebels for me, don't even bother trying.

if you can't understand what I've wrote get off Veeky Forums this site is not for you
there's a difference between serious, not serious, and shit, the problem isn't that it's not serious the problem is that it's Disney tropes in pseudo Star Wars packaging, it's not Star Wars, it's Disney wars
you're right I can't ruin it anymore than it is

Nice try but your subjective feelings mean nothing to me especially when rebels has been enjoyable outside of the gimmicky lightsabers used by the mostly poorly trained inquisitors. And the books outside if aftermath have been alright to really good.

I agree, I think you are right in that it is a "volume" issue. There were mountains of old EU, the new stuff needs time to come out and mature a bit.

>the childrens show based on franchise about laser-wielding monks with a black-and-white moral dichotomy is too childish for me

It's not childish, it's not Star Wars, have you seen the actual Star Wars cartoon Clone Wars? it was for kids but fucking good and when it wasn't good at least it wasn't Disney tier

The only things I ever cared about in the EU were the X-Wing books, the overwhelming majority of the rest was and still is absolute fan fiction dot net garbage. I'm glad it's been de-canonized even if it took a few good things with it.

He's still contracted for two more books and a comic, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

>official canon
>fan fiction
kill yourself

>It's canon, therefore it couldn't possible feel like fan fiction when you are reading it

No you

Two words.

Lightsaber helicopters.

Physics doesn't work that way!

>Yeah, it sucks that he's slated for two more books, but he's got nothing on Traviss.
Traviss may have gotten irritatingly preachy and she may have relied on creating evidence for her own arguments, but her prose wasn't nearly as awful.

A New Dawn was fantastic, the comics have been hit or miss, and Rebels' episodes have also been pretty variable in quality. The vidya side of things has been god-awful, too. So far, nucanon hasn't come up with anything that could even come close to equaling or surpassing Zahn, Stackpole, Allston, Dark Forces, or the flight sims.

>the childrens show based on franchise about laser-wielding monks with a black-and-white moral dichotomy is too childish for me

Hey you can't pretend that rebels doesn't have flaws. Sure Star Wars is supposed to be fun but it's all ages instead of just for kids. Rebels has some serious issues with characters, hamfisty writing and low stakes that plenty of smarter "for kids" shows have avoided. It should succeed or fail on its merits like any show not just get a gold star because it's the only Star Wars show on TV

You know what else is against the laws of physics?
- The force
- Hyperspace
- Obi-Wan and Anakin not being cooked by the heat of the lava during their fight
- space combat in Star Wars

or KOTOR or Jedi Academy or Tales of the Jedi or the Bane trilogy books just adding stuff you've forgot

All those things survive on rule of cool. Guess what isn't cool and looks cheesy as fuck. Lightsaber copters

That's...very subjective.

Know what else is pretty cheesy?
The movies.
X-Wing
Cheetos
Jedi Prince

Eh, I'm more referring to the absolute highest points of Legends. KOTOR's comics were superb but the games had too many flaws to really count (popularizing the technological stagnation bullshit, for one). Jedi Academy is lumped in with Dark Forces since it's part of the Kyle Katarn saga. Also, wasn't the first Bane book the only really good one?

True. But did you like the aesthetics of it or are you just devil's advocating to defend rebels? Because it took my suspension of disbelief out to get shot behind the chemical sheds

I agree that it kinda sucks they didn't go with TOTJ aesthetics in KOTOR but come on man It's a wonderful Star Wars story that shows exactly how it should be done, Path Of Destruction was definitely the best but the whole story is pretty much amazing, maybe the best Star Wars tale I've seen

>It's a wonderful Star Wars story that shows exactly how it should be done
True, it did the generic Star Wars hero journey stuff well enough. However, I just can't get over the awful art direction; the flawed, broken game mechanics relying on 3E; or the awfulness that is the Taris undercity. Also, lots of bugs and graphical glitches. I remember being completely unable to save on the Kashyyyk forest floor because all of my saves down there kept getting corrupted. For me, at least, those problems kept it from joining the greats.

It was bad. It looked bad, it functioned bad, it seemed like a very poor idea overall when they have stuff like ATAPs they could be using. It was an asspull idea that should have been introduced earlier in order for it to have any impact beyond confusion.

damn that sucks man, I've personally grew up with KOTOR, I first played it when I was 10,and it was basically my first RPG experience, I learned English with that game, and it was my first SW experience outside of the movies which were pretty much my favorite thing in the world back then, I'm deeply connected to it emotionally and love everything about it so I'm definitely the worst guy to talk about that game in an objective manner.

So I re-read Heir to the Empire for the first time in a long-ass time.

It holds up really well. Thrawn, Pellaeon, Karrde, Mara and C'baoth are all handled well without dipping into Sue territory, the plot moves at a great pace and it keeps setting up cool shit and seeds for later developments without getting boring.

Zahn's not great at describing what vehicles and spaceships look like. (not so much an issue now considering you can look stuff up on the Wook), and the Borsk/Ackbar rivalry doesn't work as well in the first book. Fey'lya comes across as a kind of a dick, but he doesn't actually do anything evil or wrong, but he's a "bad guy" because Han & Wedge don't like him. Until he makes an off-screen power play to oust Ackbar at the end

But yeah, pleased to say that it still holds up overall.

>I don't drink.
Shame. You probably should

KotOR II is much, much better.

Really? The old canon was at least creative, and I say that as someone who despised the attempt go full grimdark in the NJO onwards. You could tell, given that there was nothing after ROTJ and thousands of years pre-TPM that they had greater freedom to tell stories.

The NuEU/'canon' plays it safe constantly, and as such gives a generally bland experience. Sure, we haven't had any stinkers like the Crystal Star, or mistakes like the death of Anakin Solo, but we also aren't going to get (except perhaps a rehash) KOTOR and Tales of the Jedi, the Dark Horse comic runs, the Thrawn Trilogy, Shatterpoint, or the like. Think we'll get anything the quality of Luke Skywalker and blah of Mindor anytime soon?

It's all designed to inform or fill time between films, and nothing else. Vader Down is about the only thing that has really grabbed me, and even then, his sidekick and her murderbots are pale shadows of old characters and feel out of place.

All that said, I loved the Force Awakens, and the idea of getting a new film every year (along with Rebels, which is also soothing the loss of Clone Wars) soothes the pain of the bland books and comics, and disastrous vidya. The old EU was getting towards a point where it was going to naturally die anyway.

One problem, quest. If you don't know guns about as well as you know star wars, reading that book won't really help you understand a damn thing, and since you don't, I'd either advise you not to try, or to do some serious gun-learning first
He doesn't, but I sure do
(On a side note, vodka rip-its are really not a good idea, folks)

Not really, no. The glitches were far, far worse and the additional features in the combat system didn't really improve it all that much. It was quite obviously unfinished. Malachor also proved to be even worse in terms of corrupted saves and bugs than lower Kashyyyk.

Peragus and Nar Shaddaa also fucking sucked.

Booze smells bad to me, so I can't imagine it will taste any better.
Ah..... that sounds like work. I'll pass.

>Booze smells bad to me, so I can't imagine it will taste any better.
You'd be surprised, buddy, but I get what you're saying. I should point out, though, that the magic of mixed drinks fixes this problem completely if that's actually your objection.
>Ah..... that sounds like work. I'll pass.
Fair enough. I'm strongly of the belief that you should have to actually know about guns to have an opinion on them, so I'd still suggest that you learn a thing or two sometime, but yeah, it's a bit of a research project just so you can read a book to find out how certain folks think