Warhammer is completely retconning their entire universe, and you're the head designer. Of the project succeeds, you get all the credit, if you fail, no one will ever play tabletop with you again, not even Matt Ward.
What would you change? What would you add? What would you remove?
Ollanius Pious is forever canon
who dat?
Only the ballsiest Imperial Soldier ever. Dude had Power Balls.
Plain old Guardsman Pious.
None of this Custodes Pious or Perpetual Pious shite.
what the hell did i NOT do this time?
I would add MC Hammer.
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Tau are gone. Not wiped out, just removed.
Squats brought back and given an overhaul to keep them brilliant but remove some of the cringe.
Demiurg turned into a seperate, playable race.
Hrud made playable race.
Imperium use some of their vast resources to go on the offensive for once. Have a few big Craftworlds like Biel Tann wiped out.
Stop portaying every alien faction as the single greatest threat to the Imperium - a threat the Imperium cannot defeat. One is bad enough, but having five or six just isn't realistic. The threat hierarchy goes;
Chaos > Tyranids >>>>> Orks >>>>>>>> Everyone else.
Make Necrons less shit. Somehow.
Sabbat Worlds Crusade worldwide campaign. With models for Blood Pact, Infardi, Bluebloods, Tanith, Roane Deepers and all the rest. No xenos factions allowed to take part, very limited Astartes/Traitor Astartes involvement allowed.
Imperium gets more cunty and starts to use radioactive, biological and chemical weapons en masse in games.
Complete overhaul of the Dark Eldar from the ground up.
Far less emphasis on special characters/leaders and their ability to swing games.
What Space Marine Chapter would early 90's hip hop artist Vanilla Ice belong to?
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I dunno. Eldar need a complete overhaul in my opinion. Their helmets are so fucking stupid and their style is lame, they look like total goobers.
I think we should get rid of necrons and tau
Dark Eldar need the most urgent overhaul due to the shit S&M theme. Regular Eldar can wait.
Gaycrons can be salvaged if done right.
Tau can kindly fuck off.
Apart from the obvious things (squats, Emps actually slowly recovering and the obscure Chaos gods being restored), I would be careful with the license and not just hand it to everyone who asks.
The reason why 40K's universe is so inconsistent is that multiple authors have worked on it and just changed the canon on their own whims. I'll enforce a strict policy of in-world consistency.
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Sisters are less stupidly and blindly devoted to the Ecclesiarchy. Their founding members and most famous Sister is famous for killing a Goge Vandire who was corrupt and crazy.
As part of their mission the Sisters now act as watchdogs against the Ecclesiarchy, hunting down rogue, corrupt, or fallen to chaos in addition to their traditional Witch Hunter role.
I think eldar are dorkier than dark eldar.
Orks are bigger, greener, stupider.
BRING BACK NECROMUNDA
Improve Space Marines to Grey Knights level.
Dark Eldar get to use their human slaves as chaff squads ala IG penal units or how Tau use Kroot.
The humans will be in gimp outfits.
Squad leaders will be in full body dildo suits.
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>This thread again
First, all the Primarchs die. All of them die gloriously in combat.
Secondly, the original Chaos Legions stay together. For the most part, legions like the Night Lords, World Eaters, and Alpha Legion break up far more than the Iron Warriors, Death Guard, or Thousand Sons.
Third, don't explain shit. Here's the world, lots of mystery. Where did the Carcarodons come from? Who knows! The worst thing you can do to a world is to fill in the cracks too much.
Fourth, tone down the Space Marine wank by at least like 50%. Imperial Guard are the real heroes of the Imperium.
Fifth, bring Sisters more to the front. They're wonderful characters that really get to the heart of what 40k is. Replace most stories that follow Space Marines with Sisters of Battle and Imperial Guard. Space Marines should only be seen when the sky is falling, all is lost, and through heavy smoke or something else that makes them hard to see.
Sixth, make the Imperium slightly less fucktarded. Non-aggression pact with Tau and Craftworld Eldar.
Seventh, like the Imperial forces, shift more focus of Chaos forces to mortal servants. Chaos Space Marines and Daemons should only appear when things get really heavy.
Eighth, the original Ollanius Pious story is canon then set in stone.
Ninth, show more examples of worship of each of the Chaos Gods. Develop the philosophy behind each more.
Tenth, ALL HAIL THE PRINCE OF CHAOS!
>Space Marines should only be seen when the sky is falling, all is lost, and through heavy smoke or something else that makes them hard to see.
Like in one of the Macharius books where they drop pod into a battle the Guard are losing and they're moving so fast they are just blurs to the Guardsmen through the smoke. They kill everything and disappear.
Exactly.
No more perpetuals. Vulcan still lives though
Scrap almost all exact details of the Horus Heresy. Make the different traditions of chapters and organizations that characterize the Primarchs and events of the Civil War blatantly contradictory and inaccurate. Make Space Marines more all over the place doing their own thing. Scrap the Codex Astartes outside of the Ultramarines. Unique Titles, formations, strategies, training methods, Chapter numbers, favored equipment, purpose, religious beliefs. The only thing uniting different Space Marines in general should be their crazy, Emperor approved, biology.
Tyranids are now an intergalactic threat from the Ghoul Stars not a massive extra galactic one. Evolve more slowly. Behave more like the Bugs from Starship troopers and don't purposefully strip planets clean of everything with no chance of regrowth, it just kinda looks that way sometimes. They're just trying to propagate their species and humans are dangerous to them.
Necrons go back to thoughtless automatons and are controlled by the countless shattered bits of now fully sentient and dangerously intelligent Ctan shards quarreling and absorbing and re-shattering each other. Void Dragon on Mars is a fuckhuge shard that could easily devour the remaining ones if it woke up.
Tau are now a Galaxy spanning uprising of Xenos sick of the Imperium's oppression and genocide. Tau are just the heads of the collective due to their stronger power base from being hidden away from the Imperium thanks to that Warp Storm. Faction holds much more focus on the different kinds of Xenos. a mix and match smhorgus board of weird aliums with tau tech slapped on. Hate humans and do not allow them to join them. Understand how Warp travel works.
I dunno.
The Horus Heresy is kinna dumb, but I can't think of how I'd change it. Maybe you could create like an "alternate history" thing that shows that the emperor was really a bastard or something.
You really can't mess with the emperor = good, chaos = bad dynamic without changing the tone of the game.
I guess its a serviceable plot, if a basic one. I just wish it were a little more clever so it would be easier to read.
Why would you have a non aggression pact with a species of violent expansionist and an ancient race that will genocide an entire Hive City if it means a dozen of their own don't die a hundred years down the road?
>ignoring the loaded language
So you can fight the real threads of a bioweapon that has long outlive its usefulness, Eldritch Abombinations from beyond our reality, extragalactic locusts, and unfathomably ancient robots waking up under your very feet to conquer.
The Tau and Eldar can be negotiated with.
Or do you not know that a non-aggression pact works both ways?
I just kind of wish Horus had a more sensible reason for betraying the emperor, like a legitimate moral grievance.
Perhaps he was ordered to kill a bunch of innocent xenos or put down a human empire who refused to join the Imperium yet had done nothing wrong...
Maybe he took issue with the killing of Uriah Olathaire in cold blood. Maybe each of the primarchs had their own, moral reasons for wanting to rebel.
>Trusting the Eldar not to break any agreement the second it looks convenient for them or because a prophecy said to.
>Trusting Tau not to weasel on every last term of their treaty and start "nonviolently" sending propagandists into Imperial space to sway your worlds over to them
>Trusting any xenos ever
This is exactly the thing that burned Dark Age humanity galaxy wide, and exactly why the Imperium never allies with xenos on more than a situational basis.
Some of them did.
Angron probably had the best reasoning. Morty had a personal beef that festered to Primarch levels. Pert was that weird kid who shot up his school, in a certain sense. Kurze needed serious counseling. Magnus needed some guidance.
Still leaves conflict in 40k, but makes it a little less fucktarded. Realpolitik is best politic.
The Tau don't have the galactic positioning and tech to help with those scenarios and are invested with their own immediate surroundings. They have no reason to agree to a non aggression pact that would bare them access to productive Imperial worlds that would join the great good
The Eldar have no reason to not be aggressive towards the Imperium if doing so directly or indirectly saves Eldar lives in the future. If a Farseer forsees that culling the population of an Agriworld makes it less desirable to a band of Emperors Children slavers that will then turn around to attack a nearby Maiden World, he's gonna have the Exarch kill those humans. Even if they don't a bunch of humans are gonna be pissed the moment the Dark Eldar decide to dress up like Exarchs and murder a Planetary Governor.
Aside from that the Tau are the only one of the three that could effectively enforce, let alone communicate, such a treaty among all their numbers anyway.
>I'll enforce a strict policy of in-world consistency.
This. Enough with that bullshit of 'everything is canon... or not kek'. Certain things should be set in stones and shouldn't be touched with.
I dunno.
I feel like if you fucked with the world, you would be changing what you loved about it, since the same things that make you love 40k are the same things you hate it for.
Its kinda like how the same reason you fantasize about fucking a pornstar are the ones that make you not want to marry her.
>Bring back Oldcrons
>Hoplite helms are stupid.
>Hating on the Greeks.
Fuck off muslim.
>Bring Sister of Battle to the front
Literally the most boring faction amongst the rest.
Aside from that I agree with you for the most part. I really want the IG to be the main heros of the Imperium whilst Space Mariens become real trump card for them to play. It would help tone down the number of chapters in existence and help verify some of their grandeur in the fluff. Fleshing out worship of the 4 Chaos Gods would also be great.
The whole point for some of the Prinarchs surviving is so that GW have a proper endgame scenario should they ever advance the story far enough. Dorn, Sanguinius, and Ferrus are already confirmed kills anyway leaving only a handful on each side.
1. Chaos: are not this malevolent reflection of human/eldar emotions or whatever. Instead they are energy-based life forms that exist within the warp. Sometimes hostile, sometimes not, perhaps banished there long ago by the Great Old Ones.
2. Emps: is dead. As in worm food. Fought Horus to the death, died in the arms of his Empress, was mourned and is buried. Their beloved son Roboute ascended to the throne afterwards and the dynasty continues on to the present day.
3. The Horus Heresy: had nothing to do with "Chaos;" it was a dynastic war over the throne. Horus was Emp's ambitious brother who wanted the throne for himself, lead a rebellion and got beat down. The primarchs were geneticlly engineered super-soldiers who commanded various army divisions. Some sided with Horus, others stayed loyal.
4. The same super-soldier program that created the primarchs also created the Space Marines. But making one is expensive so there aren't that many; they are only ever deployed when shit has REALLY hit the fan.
5.Ollanius Pious: was a regular human guardsman who stood up to Horus at cost of his life. All that Perpetual BS? Gone.
6. Dark Eldar: are gone. Just have normal Eldar, trying desperately to reassemble their empire after most of it was conqured by...
7. The Tau: who rule a huge sector of space by virtue of their rediculously advanced technology. They are an extremely xenophobic species who will not tolerate any other sophant life forms in their space. Their goal is to exterminate everyone who isn't them until they rule the galaxy.
8. The Eldar: are almost as bad as the Tau in how they view other life forms, especially humans, but are not uniformly exterminationist. They are also willing to make alliances of conveniance, unlike the Tau.
9. The Orks: As is.
10. The Nids: As is.
11. The Sisters: Fem Space Marines from planet Lesbos IV! Or not. I'm not sure what to do with them honestly, though what wrote looks good.
Angron, Lorgar, and to an extent Magnus, all had relatively decent reason for joining Chaos. The rest felt a bit forced, especially Fulgrim and Horus.
>10. The Nids: As is.
Scratch that. The Nids are coming in from outside the galaxy to nom everything but not because they are attracted by Emps bug light. They're an alien bioweapon from a long-ago war that got out of control. Also,
12. Necrons: gone or massively overhauled. Don't ask me how.
>Tau are gone. Not wiped out, just removed.
Disagree... I like the idea of removing them, but I would rather have a cataclysmic story that involves them coming up against a tyranid tendril fleet. They could set it up like the end times for the Tau, have them muster all their native forces, all their allies - totally get the weaboos excited....and have them get completely fucked in the anus.
>Stop portaying every alien faction as the single greatest threat to the Imperium - a threat the Imperium cannot defeat. One is bad enough, but having five or six just isn't realistic.
Agreed. It is getting comically stupid how every goddamn codex introduces the given race as a major threat to the Imperium.
>Far less emphasis on special characters/leaders and their ability to swing games
Brilliant idea, something I've wanted for ages. I sarcastically refer to the game as herohammer 40K because of the over-the-top fantasy levels of power that heroes have.
Completely retcon and restructure the Horus Heresy into a bit of a retelling of the tragedy of Henry the Second, King of England. The Emperor is a great ruler, a flawed man, but great none-the-less and greater than he is in current canon. He truly launches humanity into a new era expanding the border of the species' dominion and proving an excellent statesman that actually improves the lives of the common man.
The Chaos Gods scatter all the Primarchs throughout the galaxy save Horus, who the Emperor raises from childhood as his princeling, greatest and favored son, and Terran through-and-through. Even as the Primarchs are reclaimed and assigned their Legions, Horus remains the Emperor's favorite child. Honor and accolade are heaped upon Horus constantly, and Horus rises to become a beacon for mankind himself, a populist figure and is viewed as glory incarnate. The Emperor, planning someday to relinquish his power to his sons to work on his webway project, crowns Horus the Young Emperor, his heir to the throne of humanity.
But the Emperor, as great as he is, is still human, and now possessing absolute power over a constantly expanding galactic empire, cannot simply tear himself away to let Horus take over. He grows melancholic and becomes obsessed with perfectionism, and Horus grows angrier as he comes to realize that he is nothing more than a figurehead and sock puppet of his father. Horus eventually comes across the secret knowledge that the Emperor has decided to strip his crown of any actual power, and intends to install the High Lords of Terra as the absolute rulers of mankind. Infuriated Horus calls together his brothers to rebel against the Emperor and take what they believe is their rightful spot as absolute rulers of man. Chaos is not involved at all. The original nine traitors from the canon turn and attack the Imperium of Man in a great civil war that leads to the deaths of several Primarchs and almost destroys the Imperium.
Splintered factions like that other thread, but these lines:
Loyalists
>Ultramarines
>Imperial Fists
>Salamanders
>Blood Angels
>Dark Angels
Chaos Undivided
>Word Bearers (Lorgar heresiarch, Horus sent to gay baby jail and retconned out of the game)
>World Eaters
>Thousand Sons
>Death Guard
>Emperor's Children
Independent Warbands/Factions
>Night Lords are night lords
>Iron Warriors are iron warriors
>White Scars are splintered pirates and marauders
Alpha Legion
>Alpha Legion. Now called Hydra Legion
Other founding legions are sent to gay baby jail or turned into successors
Eldar
>The same
Dark Eldar
>The same
Orks
>The same
Necrons
>The same
Tyranids
>The same
Tau
>Now a race of gay raccoons. No battlesuits, only troops
>Seventh, like the Imperial forces, shift more focus of Chaos forces to mortal servants. Chaos Space Marines and Daemons should only appear when things get really heavy.
I've wanted this for ages. I've always thought that the biggest bad guys need to be mysterious and mostly unknown (Look at how shitty the Matrix series became when you fully understood the machines)
Cont'd
The civil war ultimately culminates in the Siege of Terra, with Horus and his forces breaking into the Emperor's throne room to confront their father in person, who has been avoiding having to confront his rebelling sons for the entire war. The Emperor attempts to diffuse the situation, but Horus flies into a raged assault on the Emperor. Greatest of his children and the best trained, he nearly kills his father, and the Emperor painfully realizes that his son has truly turned against him and is forced to kill him. The psychic backlash from the greatest of the Primarchs dying is intense, and the traitors are broken and routed from the Sol System. They flee and never return for some time, heading to the Eye of Terror where it is there they find Chaos while seeking salvation from the Emperors' retribution.
The Emperor, emotionally broken from killing the only person he truly ever cared for in life and severely wounded by his firstborn, is installed on the Golden Throne for permanent life support, and his great webway project goes unfinished.
Meanwhile, in the fallout of the great betrayal, the Emperor's other greatest surviving loyal sons, Dorn, the Lion, and Guilliman, sit in discussion with what to do with the broken Imperium, and decide that while Horus' actions were wrong, his cause was just in the end, and stab the Emperor in the back by butchering the High Lords of Terra and assuming direct control over the Imperium. Paralyzed on the Golden Throne, the Emperor watches horrified as even in half-death his sons still work against him.
Lionel leads a glorious crusade to reclaim territory fractured by the civil war and still in rebellion despite the loss of their leader. While reclaiming most of humanity's old territory, he is eventually gravely wounded by an unknown foe and vanishes into the warp, swearing to return some day in mankind's most dire hour.
so why would emps want to retain his power if he is going to cede it all to the high lords anyway?
So here are what I think should be the reasons for the various primarchs betrayals:
Horus: Forced to put down an empire who refuses to join the Imperium even though they have done nothing wrong.
Fulgrim: Forced to destroy a beautiful work of xeno music or art, which he secretly recreates on his own. (The possession arc is fucking stupid)
Angron: Simply driven mad by his butchers nails. (abandoning the gladiators seems weirdly out of character for the emps)
Logar: Upon his pilgrimage, discovers a rumor about something called "the emperors folly" deep in the eye of terror, he finds the grave of Uriah Olathaire and hears the account of his death at the hands of the emperor, while reading the single word inscribed up his tombstone: "Faith" In a rage, he smashes his tombstone and devotes himself to chaos, and the statue of the priest sheds a single tear as Logar turns and walks away.
I'll add more if i think of them
>Sabbat Worlds Crusade worldwide campaign. With models for Blood Pact, Infardi, Bluebloods, Tanith, Roane Deepers and all the rest. No xenos factions allowed to take part, very limited Astartes/Traitor Astartes involvement allowed.
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I think it would make more sense if the emp's returned to terra to quell a rebbellion or dissent. The webway plot is pretty thin, honestly, but i can see as how terra is the cradle of human civilization it might be the focus for a warp incursion based on the pain and resentment of its people.
After all, while the emperor is the symbol of order and stablitity, he is also the symbol of tyranny and oppression, so it makes sense that the rot would start at the very core.
Cont'd
Guilliman is shanked by a corrupted Fulgrim while leading a campaign against the resurfaced traitors, now tainted by the Chaos Gods and some trying to build a twisted mirror imperium of them own. He does not die, but the blade was poisoned with a warp plague and permanently cripples him. His musculature withers away to the point that he is placed in a giant dreadnought which remains on Terra to act as mankind's head of state.
Leman Russ, Corax, and Vulkan vanish and are never heard from again after leading a great spearhead chasing rumors that the forces of Chaos are attempting to resurrect Horus with a cloned body to hold his wandering soul.
Khan and Dorn are the only surviving Primarchs in the Materium, acting as joint marshals of Guilliman and leading the Imperium's major campaigns against Chaos and the Ork threats simultaneously. Their Legions are both unified so both Primarchs retain their fearsome power from the Great Crusade. Relations are rough between the three however, as Guilliman simmers with rage at his disability making combat too dangerous for him to fight while Dorn, as the most loyal son of the Emperor, secretly wishes to usurp Guilliman and install the High Lords of Terra once more and has been obsessing over the act for millennia. Khan meanwhile desires the position of power Guilliman holds, as he thinks he is too lax and wishes to put production of astartes into overdrive in order to bolster his forces and stamp out the rising threats from the galactic south and west.
Woops. I meant the HLOT would be installed if he kicked it.
I could maybe make a short novella of stories called "The Book of Heresy" describing how each of the primarchs came to be involved in the uprising due to the emperors own arrogance.
Tau go back to their original depiction as the naive race, the codex filled with stories of varius first encounters, and how they went horribly wrong.
Necrons go back to being oldcrons. C'tans' existence optional.
This, plus a complete removal of the Gray Knights.
Also the Tau as a federation of vassal states in a larger empire, with the Tau firmly leading, but not being numerically superior to any of their client races. Less 1984 in their fluff, and more British Empire Classic, in that they don't actually allow client states to prosper, exploit the shit out of their resources, and claim to be "uplifting the masses" in their propaganda. Implications of mind control would also be removed, and I'd play up the angle where the Imperium and the Tau are both shit, but the difference between the two might look compelling to the people on the ground suffering the Imperium.
Remove Tau, just delete them as if they never existed.
Bring back Oldcrons.
Alpharius allied with Horus because he legitimately believed that the death of the emperor and all of humanity would lead to the end of chaos.
But yeah, Horus is a cunt.
>Angron: Simply driven mad by his butchers nails. (abandoning the gladiators seems weirdly out of character for the emps)
That part of the lore always bugged me. It would have made much more sense for Emps to say something like "oh, you and your buddies are going to overthrow these dirty slavers? Cool, I'll help, and btw here's your very own Legion along to assist."
>Scrap almost all exact details of the Horus Heresy. Make the different traditions of chapters and organizations that characterize the Primarchs and events of the Civil War blatantly contradictory and inaccurate. Make Space Marines more all over the place doing their own thing.
I like this a lot. After such an immense amount of time the HH should be shrouded in mystery and contradiction.
>That part of the lore always bugged me. It would have made much more sense for Emps to say something like "oh, you and your buddies are going to overthrow these dirty slavers? Cool, I'll help, and btw here's your very own Legion along to assist."
It's pretty in character for E Money, frankly. He causally abuses his "sons" on the regular. Just look what he did to Lorgar, Kurze, Pert, and Morty.
True. You know what, that's one more thing I'd change about the lore: make the Emperor less of a dirtbag. He doesn't have to be all comics-code era Superman pure but he shouldn't be a cross between Richard Nixon and Genghis Khan either.
>Richard Nixon and Genghis Khan
Both aren't bad rulers, but I know what you mean.
It would be better if the Emperor wasn't such a raging dickbag all the fucking time.
He should be more like Alexander the Great or Napoleon Bonaparte. A conqueror, yes, a warrior but also someone who has grand dreams for the uplift of his people and who can see the big picture. The way he's portrayed by Black Library does fit in with the everything-and-everyone-sucks-24/7 ambiance of current 40k however.
>Napoleon Bonaparte
Not a great example. Napolean was first about his own power. He famously bragged that he "could train a man to die for a scrap of cloth."
Alexander the Great was also more out for power and fame than anything.
If you want to model yourself after a good leader look no further than Field Marshal Erwin Rommel.
1: change the tau from being the leaders of a federation of xenos and make them just on race out of many.
2: Make they grey knights more like Death Watch. A space Marine chapter that's made up of other space Marines who successfuly killed a demon somehow.
3: make dreadnoughts look like beefed up terminators.
4: make classic dreads into a heavy version of sentinals.
5: have more Walker units for the imperium.
6: make imperial knights into Titans.
>Field Marshal Erwin Rommel.
Ehh, he was just one of Hitler's better generals is all. Napoleon's primary fault was that he didn't know when to stop. He should have tried much harder to find peace with Britain. And going into Russia? BAD call. Hitler had even less excuse as he had Bonaparte's example right in front of him but he still ended up making the exact same mistake.
Wasnt the reason Horus fell to Chaos because of chaos poison and chaos magic used by Lorgar?
I think it makes Horus a more tragic figure, because he was the favored son of the Emperor, dis his best to do his thing, and then his trusted brother tricks him, poisons him and uses magic to convince him that their father is a cunt and needs to be killed.
Squats back
The emperor is actually the Empress, since it makes no sense to use the side of the species who can't think in anything but terms of fuck/kill if you can give the other side even better biological advantages.
Emp comes out of the unification of terra with a much stronger, more united army, thanks to diplomacy and better tactics. Mars is easily reigned in via the Emp superior body smacking the nerds out of their retarded machine love.
Great Crusade becomes the Great Galatic Unification, which goes swimmingly until Chaos, feeling incredibly threatened attacks ahead of time. That stalls out when Slashneesh is convinced into joining the Emp's side via the reasoning that it will grow much stronger then the other three under a happy, more decant Imperium, and the promise of the finished extinction of the Eldar.
The war with the Craftworld elder and Exodite Eldar is fast and brutal, the space fucks precognition and better tech inflicting massive causalities, but ultimately not enough to stop the Imperiums better leadership, numbers, and new and demonically improved female space marines.
The Dark Elder end up being a more long term project, as the Emp finishes up her webway project. In the end they're turned into pleasure toys to be handed out amongst the male cannon-fodder, so Slashneesh gets a constant stream of power and souls, keeping it, and the troops, happy. Plus it means mixed race babies, who will help mix the very useful eldar genes amongst humanity.
Beaks. Beaks everywhere.
I'm trying to quit gaming altogether because of burnout.
I make the Emperor black.
The now powerful and much better led Imperuim can focus on dealing with Khrone, the Orks, and subjugating, NOT exterminating, any lesser aliens races frolicking about on humanities turf.
In the end, the big factions you'd be playing against on the tabletop, would be the awakening Necrons, would be much more dangerous with out the experienced Precogs like the Eldar to keep them in check, and humanities forces being much more intergated with the warp. Then the Ork's and Khorne, would end up sort of 'merging', Gork and Mork nomming the skull guy and taking over his domain, giving a major boost to the power of the Orks. Nurgle won't be much of a threat, improved living conditions for most of the Galaxy, plus his now dead waifu, keeping him locked up like the slobbering loser he is.
Imperium of Man: In recent years, GW has been trying to make 40k a more "serious" setting where real human dramas can take place. In the past, a lot of the dystopian craziness was played for laughs. As a compromise, I would make it clear that the most horrifying totalitarian practices are reserved to administrative and military space. These practices are also concerned almost exclusively with members of the military or administration. This is true of real-world totalitarian governments - most of society is treated with indifference, but the closer you come to the centers of power, the more Orwellian the levels of control become. The average Imperial citizen wouldn't have government surveillance perched on their shoulder 24/7. The further you get from the centers of power, the looser the levels of control become.
Independent Humans: Related to the above, there would be independent human systems which are not bound by Imperial law. However, they are tolerated only because the Imperium has more important enemies to deal with. Their existence is precarious and could end at any time.
Tau: Change the aesthetic to resemble the grimmer concept art. Whereas I would try to make the Imperium less dystopian, I would do the opposite with the Tau. They would remain utopians, but they would become ruthless utopians. A bit like the Grey aliens from UFO accounts, they would talk a lot about universal brotherhood and galactic peace, but that wouldn't mean they're above cutting open live specimens for experimental purposes.
Necrons: The Necrons would have their old lore restored: they're slaves of the C'tan and not the other way around.
Chaos: At the moment, GW seems to think of Khorne as the most important Chaos God. Next comes Nurgle, then Slaanesh, then Tzeentch. I would reverse that order.
Eldar, Dark Eldar, Orks and Tyranids would remain the same.
Finally I would lower prices.
Two words:
White.
Scars.
I notice that in all these threads that many want to restore the Oldcrons and remove the Newcrons.
I got to ask...why? What's the problem with the Newcrons?
>I got to ask...why? What's the problem with the Newcrons?
Gaycrons.
The imperial public at large KNOW of fucking Daemons. This part of Warhammer lore and everything associated with it was always stupid. "One person in this population knows about Daemons? CALL EXTERMINATUS!!!" Daemons should be treated as Witches were in Medieval europe, in that if anything goes wrong, it's Daemons. Anyone can get anyone else murdered just by accusing them of being a Daemon or a Chaos Worshiper, after which time, they are put through insane torture methods like the whole "We throw you off a cliff. If you die, then you do so for the Emperor. if you survive, then you could only have done so with assistance of the Chaos Gods and as such will be executed upon finding your body." It paints the Imperium as "Superstitious to the point of insanity" rather than the current "Superstitious to the point of stupidity."
They don't invoke the same kind of horror as Oldcrons. They're saturday morning cartoon villains, not the implacable dead come back to destroy the living.
Beastmen back. My uncle had a bunch of them in his IG army back when I was 8. I thought they were the coolest and I can't help but still have a soft spot for them.
Here a bunch of people better than me to write the lore, keeping the good stuff from the old lore and creating tons of new lore from scratch. Then i would take the Ultramarines and Grey Knigts and tell Matt War that he can write their lore entirely and ignore everything else that people have written, but he has to bring me what he has written in paper form and only after he's written everything. When he does turn in his creation, i still him to buzz of and thank him for bringing me more toilet paper.
I keep squats
These threads are always full of terrible ideas, and I hope that none of them come to fruition.
Except removing that perpetual bullshit. I won't argue against that.
Not either of you guys, but Rommel wasn't really either a good general or a good guy. Go look up his career in between the fall of France and the North African campaign: He was busy shooting Nazi propaganda films. Pre-war, he would volunteer to command Hitler's bodyguard detail whenever the Fuhrer went abroad.
He was very much an opportunist where the Nazi party was concerned, and as for his generalship, sure, he had a lot of tacticla triumphs, but his handling of North Africa, by far his most famous campaign, betrays a strategic misunderstanding of his entire role (Guard Cyrenica? Fuck that, CHAREG TO EGYPT) as well as completely ignoring logistical reality as to what the extent of his reach was.
The guy had no plan. Then again, casting Emps as a guy who has no real long-term plan but a thought of "if I keep kicking peoples butts it'll all work out somehow" might work.
I'd be curious about the lengths the Imperial civilians go to to prove that they aren't Daemons, or to prevent Chaos gaining influence over them. Like, cults of people that cut their own ears off to prevent hearing the whispers of Chaos, or people that have pain-giving machines surgically implanted in themselves so that whenever they so much as think about Chaos, they put themselves into unbearable agony.
We have the tyannids for the mindless kill all life army. At least newcrons are one of the few races with agenda.
Orks, biological determinated pawns
Chaos, god's pawns
Tyrannids, hivemind pawns
At least Saturday morning cartoons have an objective more than kill everything.
But the Orks and Chaos followers have varied personality among their leaders and their followers all have self serving desires set within the framework of their factions rough culture which is varried and full of inward strife only prevented by strong leaders. To say they're nothing but thoughtless pawns is wrong.
It doesn't matter that the end result of an invasion from either looks similar, the themes of the two are polar opposites. It's ancient mechanical intragalactic horror controlled by warring Ctan shards that feed on the immaterial vs new biological intergalactic horror controlled by one massive collective of minds that feed on the material.
>We have the tyannids for the mindless kill all life army.
Tyranids are not mindless. The Hivemind is their collective mind. When the Tyranids fight, they fight for themselves as a single entity.
Also Oldcrons were not about destroying all life. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't read their codex and his/her opinion should be dismissed.
I think the big problem with oldcrons is that the niche of 'unknowable, unstoppable monster race' was already filled by the Tyranids in fluff. One of them had to be something different, and since imagining intelligent bugs is too hard...
The niche wasn't filled though. Necrons inhabited the opposite end of the Spectrum that Tyranids didn't even touch. Aside from the end result of fighting them they were entirely different from each other.
Nah, I'd rather not attract tumblr. I'd just go about improving the Sisters of Battle instead
>What would you add?
A little goddamned levity outside the quarantine of the Orks.
>Seventh, like the Imperial forces, shift more focus of Chaos forces to mortal servants. Chaos Space Marines and Daemons should only appear when things get really heavy.
>Ninth, show more examples of worship of each of the Chaos Gods. Develop the philosophy behind each more.
fucking love it...
Oh, and a return to the tradition of unreliable narrator that was lost around the time of the first 'cron 'dex. Sure the chaos book tells us that Chaos is the be all end all of existene and 100% absolutely destined to win all the time, but it was a chaos cultist narrating, and many other 'dexes have equally unreliable narrators telling us why THEIR worshiped faction is 100% destined to win.
to be completely honest most of the Eldar's objectives they achieve through manipulation could be equally as well achieved by simply asking the Imperium to help out and I suspect they'd try that more if the Imperium would listen.
>The emperor is actually the Empress
A holy mother? I like it.
lel nobody likes the perpetuals. WTF was GW thinking?
I do.
One of them is my waifu.
Your Waifu is shit.