What's the best way to get a die-hard d20 group into GURPS?

It's fans are annoying.

You run a campaign/session for them. If they're irredeemable faggots, they won't like it because it's different. If they're normal subhumans, they'll form an actual opinion on it and so be into it or not.

Regardless of the outcome, you've done almost all you can.

Shills and... I dunno, there's some weird bullshit going on regarding how it does everything but not always well and only with the right splats. I'm not sure exactly what goes wrong there, but it seems persistent and angry enough that it's probably a communication/semantics issue.

It's a really shitty game people push as a meme for what people should play when they want to try something, except it does everything equally poorly.

Jealousy.

Mostly because it's the "cool" thing to do. You can dislike a game's fans and still find the game itself to be perfectly fine.

This.

And I'm a fan

Its a character creation game that serves as a barrier to roleplay.

GURPS is great. It's not for everyone, but then neither is any other RPG.

People who "hate" it tend to have had bad experiences with it, or fail to understand what its actual purpose is and scrub away any positive accounts with a scrub brush of hyperbole (e.g. 'GURPS does everything, just shittily'); it's usually a failure on a basic comprehensive level to understand the system (which makes sense, since they generally haven't played it or only had a couple sessions with a poor GM).

tl;dr as with most games, people hate what they can't/won't understand. Those more enlightened may acknowledge that, while they do not like GURPS, it is a fine system for what it is.

And it's pretty great, in most respects.

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Run it.

What

Says. Remember you're going to have to do tons of prework for them too. Which can be to your benefit.

Also, ask them what their favourite prestige classes are.

Then make version of it at whatever point level you're starting at.

Like, Arcane Duelist: Imbuements, various weapon techniques, some spells, and some rogueishness

Or Shadowdancer, Shadow form, dark aspected magery, etc.

The best way is to refuse to GM anything else. Make them choose between playing the system you want to run or having no game.

Then help them with everything they need help with. Go into the game assuming that they won't have read any of the rulebooks.

But that only works if there isn't anyone else to GM for them.

Blunt force trauma to the head.

Just because there are options doesn't mean you have to use them. Its fine for experienced players.

That being said yes, the whole game in general is too front-heavy - the average player doesn't want to learn so much crunch without any fluff.

Because, yes, it can run damn near anything... it just probably won't be fun to play. Hope you like spreadsheets and digging through eight different books to find which rules apply to whatever situation you're in. (Okay, a bit of an exaggeration, but my point is that its ruleset is needlessly complicated and drains the fun out of it.)
>inb4 hurr, you're SUPPOSED to cherry-pick which rules to use or not use

It's like you hate having people to play with.

>We should play GURPS
We don't really don't want to, Steve, it looks a bit too rules-heavy.
>Well, you're wrong and I'm not running anything else until we do GURPS!
That's not very reasonable. I mean, it's fine that you like it, but it doesn't look like something the rest of us would enjoy. C'mon, man.
>YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!

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Do you specifically try to make retarded posts?

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>It's not for everyone, but the only people who hate it are those who just don't ~understand~ it :^)
>it feels good to be euphoric
I honestly like GURPS, I do, but personally I just can't stand arguments like these (in any context).

GURPS 4e isn't written very well for new players. It throws in every option, like superpowers and stuff, right at the start. It's hard to know what's relevant and what to skip over if you're unfamiliar with the system.

Recommending GURPS and saying GURPS sucks have become stupid memes on this board.

But GURPS is a pretty unnecessary system. It's not bad, but it's way more game than you need for most things. Using GURPS for most games is like using a tank helicopter to drive to Starbucks. Is it possible? Yes. Is it the best choice? Probably not.

What kind of small person would not drive a tank helicopter to Starbucks if given the chance? Dare to live a little.

GURPS Lite is 32 pages.

I don't know. I kind of understand it, in this context.

As an example I don't like D&D at all and would never willingly play it; however, with the exception of 3.X I can acknowledge that it's actually a very well-made game and purpose-built to be excellent at what it does, and I don't know that any other system can accomplish the same exact goals without being objectively worse for the purpose.

The "enlightened" wording and all that is a bit smoke-up-the-arse, but I do get what's being said I think.

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I'm running a GURPS game right now (a Magical Girls campaign) and the digging through eight books thing hasn't appeared even once so far. The only books we're using are the Basic Set and Sorcery and since we're running combat pretty lightly, they mainly just have to remember "I roll to dodge/block/parry and roll 3d6 under my weapon skill to attack". No shock rules, no bullshit penetrating modifiers, etc. I wish the more advanced rules in the basic set would've been presented as optional addons in a GURPS: Combat splatbook or something, but oh well.

The main flaws of GURPS are that build-a-character is presented as default and can be pretty overwhelming to newbies and the organization of the Basic Set is nightmare inducing, but once you get past those hurdles it's not so bad.