Shadowrun General /srg/ - Fashionably Disastrous Edition

Are those things comfortable? They seem like they would unpleasantly compress your toes.

youtube.com/watch?v=wlMwc1c0HRQ
They're actually not too bad, but they're not intended as general footwear. You're supposed to put them on over your wetsuit gear when you're walking around on the beach or whatever instead of having to roll up your wetsuit legs and put boots on.

Anybody know what happened to that shadowrun quest on /qst/? It was pretty fun and being a snek was cool

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Do tell

youtu.be/8GPGQoR6f6w

You'll probably have a better chance getting an answer to that in the quest thread general. (Or whatever it is called now.)

I'm glad someone else realises that this is the best advertisement SR ever ran.

Lmao I remember this.

This is a bit late, but both your muscle replacement and titanium bone lacing are over the availability limit. To get those at chargen you need the Restricted Gear quality from Run Faster, once for each item. You also need explicit GM permission to take the quality in the first place.
> GM said it was ok or maybe havent noticed. I'll use it to my advantage if its the latter.
Don't be a cunt. Roleplaying games aren't about "getting an advantage". It's not a valid character under the rules, if your DM is going to make an exception sure, but decieving him is just you being a huge faggot.
>Are SINs important
SINs are what you use to do literally everything in the legal world. It's a bus pass, a credit card, ID, etc. You can't go to K-Mart and buy groceries without one.

So what sort of clothing do metasapients wear?

EVO is the only company mentioned when it comes to unusual meta products, but there's got to be competitors, and I can't figure out what the clothing lines for metas would be. Is centaur formal wear half of a tux, or do they get horse-pants? How are pixie shirts made to fit easily around their delicate wings? Do Sasquatches ever wear clothes at all?

I suppose Krime would have their clothes line, if only to have more merchandise that would help promote their guns and vehicles. They probably sell something like Ares Victory line for metavariants, at least.

France may have their own designer and consumer clothes for pixies.

I thought Krime was focused on the orc & troll market. Is there an assault cannon that can be fired by sneks?

No. Sneks don't have hands. Or yes, if the snek is a mage, can cast Magic Fingers and use a regular one.

I meant something that they could wrap their tails around the trigger, or could be fired with a skinlink. Honestly, it's bracing the damn thing that's the problem- you'd need to totally redesign the weapon and come up with some sort of full-body stabilization rig, more advanced than the one that's already in the rules.

>more advanced than the one that's already in the rules.
Or a smart weapon platform. Snek rigger.

Yeah, but if you're going to do that then Krime isn't making naga-capable weapons, are they? It's just regular weapons that the character uses third-parry tech to adapt for their runner.

A gyrosopic mount on a flexible body sock could work, or a smart firing platform on a body sock linked to a pair of image linked goggles, similar to how helicopter nose guns work.

The solution could probably not be found with a weapon only, but with a weapon mount. I guess it would be more EVO than Krime.

I just meant that, following the conversation from , that I didn't know that Krime made weapon systems for any metavariant other than trogs.

What about a sort of harness that wraps around the torso, with a pair of riggable drone arms attached? With a DNI you could control the arms reasonably effectively.
Like something that ran down the spine. Semi-flexible, but still strong enough to brace with? So it could cover the section of tail/body that was horizontal to the ground.

I wasn't part of this conversation, but is Krime really making clothes ? If they do, I imagine it is "urban wear" for thug subcultures.

I agree that Krime probably makes some orxplotation-style wear, branded logos and ultra-violent t-shirts and leather jacket patches, but naga-capable harnesses seems outside their targeted market.

>What about a sort of harness that wraps around the torso, with a pair of riggable drone arms attached? With a DNI you could control the arms reasonably effectively.
DNI control wouldn't work, because for the same reason humans can't get extra arms Naga can't get arms (brain can't handle the extra sensory input) so they would either need to be autonomous drone arms given commands like any other, or something you jumped into, leaving the rest of your body limp.

>Like something that ran down the spine. Semi-flexible, but still strong enough to brace with?
Maybe a material that is soft and flexible when moving, but when in "firing mode" it goes rigid to provide a better firing platform?

And I probably couldn't use DNI to fly with cybernetic wings, but you could surely send a signal to aim and shoot in a certain direction. I mean, you could use DNI to fire a remote turret. Or to order a anthroform drone to pick something up. Couldn't you simply think 'kill that thing over there', and the arms would follow the order?
>so they would either need to be autonomous drone arms given commands like any other
Exactly. But considering a smart gun can be fired with a DNI without any real inconvenience, surely this isn't particularly different? Awkward in certain situations, but so is firing an assault cannon.

Either way, you have a snek with a gun it can use reasonably easily.

Good idea. Like a myomer or something. Do Naga maintain an attitude/orientation when slithering about? The 'back' of the snake might change second to second.

>Couldn't you simply think 'kill that thing over there', and the arms would follow the order?
Yes, but with the arm autosofts and not your own skills, if we go by a strict adaptation of the rules.

Sorry, yeah, I was thinking "DNI" more along the lines of "in the same way you control cyberarms"
Which for some reason is a big nono on SR despite the fact that while you cannot get a third leg or arm, you can chop half your body off and get four legs mounted on a centaur body instead!

Unsure, and I doubt we'll get any ruling on it, but it seems like a smart firing platform paired with a myomer sock that could be linked to DNI/imagelinked glasses would be the best option.

Oh, certainly. It's not perfect. But it's a snek with a gun it can use with a reasonably degree of effectiveness. And biologically speaking, there's not too much more that could be done to make a Naga friendly gun.

One wonders how Magic Finger's is meant to be reconciled. Yes, they can't have new limbs added with 'ware because the brain can't easily process it, but if that's the case, what exactly's going on when you use Magic Fingers? A mental projection of a very dextrous mouth and tongue?

Going off of the 'looks just like a giant snake' interpretation, I figured they would lay completely flat, only propping themselves up to deal with other metahumans

Maybe have the gun pointed down the tail, and the naga brings both ends around to shoot?

The myomer/gyro mount thing can also be jumped in like a rigger would do, to use the snek's own skills to shoot, however the snek can't move while jumped in.

>One wonders how Magic Finger's is meant to be reconciled.
It isn't.
Just like how centaur bodies aren't, CGL just didn't want people with extra arms running around because reasons.

>One wonders how Magic Finger's is meant to be reconciled. Yes, they can't have new limbs added with 'ware because the brain can't easily process it, but if that's the case, what exactly's going on when you use Magic Fingers?
"Magic Fingers" is just the name for using magic to exert force on an object, similar to using the Force in Star Wars to levitate things, you don't actually get any sensory input from it, IIRC..

Hey, what about something like Rattlesnake Jake from Rango? The gun connected to the end of the tail. Just point the tail, and presumably, squeeze a tail muscle somewhere.

Yes, extra arms. How silly. We can't have our pixies and sasquatch with extra arms, it'd make a mockery of the whole thing.

Quite true. Fiddly telekinesis. Not really a floating invisible hand, as such, at all.
Maybe even have some pop out wheels or something? Although the idea of this flaccid, apparently passed out snake strapped to a turret which appears to be merrily blasting corpsec might take some getting used to.

>Yes, extra arms. How silly. We can't have our pixies and sasquatch with extra arms, it'd make a mockery of the whole thing.
I laughed at that bit and I still don't know why.

Exams and heavy concussion happened

Extra arms is just a balance thing that they never quite can explain away in the fiction. There's already some silly Natarki builds out there, I can't imagine what would happen if every sammy could graft an additional set of arms on. This, presumably.

>Hey, what about something like Rattlesnake Jake from Rango? The gun connected to the end of the tail. Just point the tail, and presumably, squeeze a tail muscle somewhere.
What gun would best get the point across in this case?

Could always bump up the essence cost for extra limbs to represent the "nigga okay I can get having 2 arms even if one is metal, but what is this ball of arms man bullshit" factor.
Something like 1.5 essence per extra arm.
Cyberarms are also really expensive as-is.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ut-RudZv_YQ
Forgot the video.

At chargen you can get an extra pair of alphaware arms for 36,000 nuyen and 2.4 essence. Not that much of a sacrifice on an A or B budget that a sammy would be using, especially when you trick out those arms to be recoil-handling monsters with an LMG while your regular arms use a Crockett for maximum precision/suppression.

It would be a hefty price, but there's so much upside to having another two-handed weapon at hand that it would be worth paying.

Keep in mind this is a street sam so those arms are going to be 9/9 meaning they cost rough 90k nuyen each.

And those extra arms are going to be facing -2 unless you grab ambidextrous.

The amusing thing is that this is somewhat possible by strapping a drone to your back and modding it to hell and beyond with arms.

>going 9/9

You don't have to do that at all. Drop 6k for a cyberarm gyromount and you've got RC 6 to start, more when you add in the RC of the weapon. I said that you could use the cyberarms to hold an LMG that gives you suppressive fire, while your regular arms (enhanced with whatever toners and augments you like) do the actual killing. Your cyberarms with their Valiant spray bullets around the place and make them keep their head down, while your regular arms with their inflated Longarms die pool pick off targets. Or switch the LMG for a grenade launcher and just fire randomly in the general vicinity of the enemy.

If Automatics has taught me anything, you don't need quality when you have quantity.

Now, now... Quality allows you to make those tricky "swallow the capsule round" trick shots just like that sniper faggot who thinks himself better than anybody else. Worth it even to see the smug grin melt of his face!

Well, you couldn't actually keep firing the LMG while picking people off because surpressive fire is a complex action and either way you'd be splitting your dice pool (and if 4e is anything to go by you'd split the lower pool which would probably be heavy weapons due to your basic arms). Really the only added benefit in that scenario is simply not having to spend simple action to drop the LMG and a simple one to ready your sniper when you want to switch.

You're right, my mistake; you could fire a 6-round full-auto burst, but not the actual Suppressive Fire action. The book is sadly unclear about how pools should be split when using different categories of weapons- "Split your regular pool for each weapon in half" is the house rule I see most often.

And if someone is really worried about hitting people, be a Heavy Weapons specialist and carry 2 ArmTech MGL-12. You can fire two grenades as a Simple Action+Multiple Attacks free action.

Get a drone with arms. They can act 'independently'.

IIRC in 4th it was "take only the lowest dicepool" but yeah, 5th doesn't have a ruling for it. Oddly enough it doesn't have rules for firing two handed weapons single handedly, or missing an arm.

Since the MGL is SA, you could instrad just use one and fire three grenades instead. How does a grenade burst work? Nobody knows because there aren't rules for it.

But drones are for people afraid to use their own blood and sweat and chrome.

You could fire 3, but that's a Complex action. By only using a Simple Action to shoot two grenades, you can do stuff like turning on Wireless and using an airburst grenade on one, reloading one if it's a smartgun, or just Take Aim. It gives you possibilities without sacrificing firepower.

Myeah...

>Drone strapped to your back with two arms holding a LMG and two others juggling magazines/grenades
>Drone is plugged into your armor's image link and Pi-Tac so ayone can flag where suppressive fire is needed.
>Take down motherfuckers with short bursts from the Alpha while drone suppresses or reloads as needed.

Sounds like a win-win to me. Expensive, but a win-win.

Would that recoil carry over to you? I can;t imagine a GM letting you off of that particular hook.

Posted too soon; I meant to add that strapping a drone to you is strictly less efficient than having it fly around on it's own, getting angles and flushing out targets.

Suppressive fire has no recoil in SR, as stupid as its sounds.

Fuck me, you're right. Why do this to us, CGL?

Isn't that because you're not really aiming at anything and just throwing a bunch of projectiles vaguely in a direction?
I guess you could make a case for checking whether the gun going completely, utterly out of your control, but that can only really happen if you're a tiny unaugmented girl trying to fire an assault cannon or are trying to fire an MG with one broken arm or something. Which means the rule for it would either be completely superfluous most of the time or would get in the way when it really shouldn't.

Why not both?

> Though it may appear as a “spray and pray” technique it is in fact a combination of controlled and fully automatic bursts focused over a narrow area and directed at anything that moves.

So when you fire 10 bullets in a controlled fully automatic burst, it's a -9 recoil penalty. Throw twice that amount of lead, while whipping the gun around across your FoV to hit anyone who moves, and you're fine.

Because 'backpack buddy' is less cool than 'one man Mexican wave'.

Alright, here's the post-

Yes, exactly. You don't have to be precise with full automatic, you're covering an area several times larger than one target.

You missed my point. SR calculates recoil based on rounds fired and has that carry over to your next action phase, regardless of whether you hit or not. It's silly to say, "You are firing 20 rounds, but because you aren't aiming for one individual but rather a small area there are no repercussions at all for recoil if you want to hit a specific target with your next shot."

What's the most troll (not the race) build you know in 5E ?

can you astral project from home and summon spirits that can do combat?

I don't know if you can summon spirits. It also has the problem that you're fucked if you need to coordinate with everyone (as you can only manifest for a limited amount of time) and you'll get your shit pushed in by any astral security.

Question.
What is stopping a shadowrunner from wearing a couple of those on-rails turret drones as a fashionable killing accessory?

The weight, conspicuousness, and legality of said drones.
Other than that, nothing.

Weight. Then again, most nerds have no idea how much weight and all their tacticool shit is a pain in the ass.

I don't think conspicuousness and legality are problems.
Weight may be.
Especially if I use anything other than shoulder mounts, like, say, a sombrero with a drone rail on it.

I'd have it count towards your encumbrance limit.

I thought Hadouken was a pretty cheeky build. Bonus: He's a troll too.
Oh. Yeah, that sounds dumb. But house rules exist for that reason, and Shadowrun needs them sorely.

That user here. I wasn't sure if anyone wanted a storytime or not. It's a long one that was the climax of our campaign that had been going on for almost a full year real time. I can finish writing the greentext up when I get home. Wasn't expecting anyone to really be interested in it, I mentioned it to see if I could hear some other peoples stories about world changing events in the setting, but I guess I can try my best to be a storyfag for ya'll.

>Wasn't expecting anyone to really be interested in it
chummer, we're almost always interested in story time

indeed storytime and metal gear are always appreciated.

pic related
>solidus did nothing wrong

Best last boss in any metal gear, only Armstrong comes close.

tfw you don't appreciate British megalomaniacs.

he's in my top 3. im not sure what order id put them in but my favorites are solidus, Armstrong and the boss. Armstrong's great for turning the knob up to 11 then breaking it off in an already crazy game. the boss I felt had the most emotional impact of any end boss in the series even if it just boiled down to shoot at her and CQC. solidus strikes a nice middle ground I feel. as its a bit over the top your fighting a man in an exoskeleton with katanas on top of federal hall but at the same time he debating the philosophy of liberty and his role in history seeking to not only be remembered but free his country from the grip of tyranny he was one of my bigger inspirations for making my runner who wants to reunite the US

Obvious best bosses coming through.
Emotion!
Pathos!
Philosophy!
Tits in robot suits!

The longer, the better.

Depends on who you're trolling.

>Trolling Generic Corpsec
48 Soak loltroll or a 28 Defense dice adept

>Trolling Your Fellow Players
HMHVV or a Pixie

>Trolling /srg/
SURGE with Neotony

>Trolling Black Trenchcoats
Burst-Fire High-Explosive Grenade Launcher

>Trolling Pink Mohawks
GM a black trenchcoat game

>Trolling Your GM
Tell him you want to play an AI rigger in an anthroform drone but don't quite get all the rules

That build was fun to put together. Glad you liked it.

>Burst-Fire High-Explosive Grenade Launcher

That's an option? I thought the best one was SA.

Your team has been hired to spoil the dining experience of a Michelin guide restaurant reviewer at a high class restaurant. Assume decent security, physical, matrix, and astral. Downtown Seattle. How do you choose to accomplish this?

>Tell him you want to play an AI rigger in an anthroform drone but don't quite get all the rules

Sabotage the kitchen, infect him with a cold, spike his food with something he's allergy to, kidnap someone he loves.

Murder.

Pick any of the above.

Firing Selection Change, Large Mod is handy as well.

Will Chummer be updated to account for Anarchy?

>Rigger interferes with the valet service and nearby GridGuide, slowing the reviewer on his way in and making his car do a few jerky stops to put him in a slightly bad mood

>The mageface works as his waiter, doing little things like putting out the wrong-sized utensils, turning too fast and whipping his sleeve in the reviewer's face, messing with the plating on his way back to the table, etc.

>part of our legwork was replacing all the measuring utensils in the kitchen with ones that are slightly larger, resulting in vaguely over-spiced food

>At the table nearby, the sammy and decker go on a 'date', being noisy and talking about things that we know annoy the reviewer (like certain political views) or things that disgust him (like medical conditions).

The goal is not to outright fuck with the reviewer, because the restaurant can make amends there; it's to just spoil it and let the reviewer's worst, most critical part forward, so that the restaurateur doesn't know anything is wrong until he gets called and informed that the review is out and the chef hung himself. I'm sure we can knock off a star.

>At the table nearby, the sammy and decker go on a 'date', being noisy and talking about things that we know annoy the reviewer (like certain political views) or things that disgust him (like medical conditions).
Looks like a great way to piss off your female street sam.

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>Looks like a great way to piss off your female street sam.
Meanwhile, the rigger who actually has a crush on the Street Sam is pissed off.