Why is the new Empire so diverse?

>pressed Asiatic conscripts
>unwilling Indian traitors
>some Jap attaches in borrowed uniforms
>Cossack mercenaries
>Bosnian recruits who mutinied and killed their German officers
>an Italian Libyan in DAK uniform
>the British Free Corps
>German guys wearing fezzes
>a Croatian

What this done seriously? It's fucking retarded if it's meant to be some kind of assertion that the Nazis were raceblind.

Let me break it down for you, OP.

>Human
Here's your laser, go shoot some aliens

>alien
KOS

Bit daft considering that there's nothing to suggest humans are even a plurality of the galactic populatiom, but hey.

Even so, wouldn't they want the human women to be at home breeding strong human offspring?

>there's nothing to suggest humans are even a plurality of the galactic populatiom

Quality > Quantity

it's probably either one of those anti-motivational pictures or a counter argument too the "look we got some black guys for our photos look how progressive we are" thing.

Real world social justice nazis don't like the idea that anyone isn't diverse, so space nazis had to get into affirmative action

Yup, almost as retarded as "they're evil, they can't have black henchmen" and the corollary "they use people from multiple ethnicities, they must be the good guys".

And no, I don't think this picture was done seriously, but it's always a nice counterpoint to people that use sentences like the two right above this one.

They got clones (so artificial wombs) and nurse robots, so housewifes probably aren't necessary.
Not to mention that they can modify the genome on the fly ala Gattaca, so a mating program isn't mandatory either.

>It had a huge boner for "humans are the chosen people" (which the setting kind of argues is true but you don't have to be an asshole to aliens for it).
It always struck me as a bit odd. The droid hate I can understand, but lots of the republic soldiers and supporters were aliens.
If anything Sheev looks like an evil pragmatist to me, not the kind to shoot himself in the foot by segregating against all aliens.
You already have available scapegoats in the former federation members, why look for more?

Chewie didn't get a medal because Carrie Fisher want tall enough to put it on, and they didn't just have him bend over or something for whatever reason.

They also conjured up an explanation for that in the short comic run he got too, which was something to the tune of "wookies don't do medals/physical badges of honour."

At least he went out like a badass in the comics, it took dropping a fucking moon on him to kill him.

>And no, I don't think this picture was done seriously, but it's always a nice counterpoint to people that use sentences like the two right above this one.

This.

What structural purpose do the strings on the top of this spaceship serve?
Aren't they flying through space?

It has to be attached to the celestial sphere or it'd just fall, moron.

>Why is the new Empire so diverse?

tumblrs are ruining something else

>Why is the Empire so diverse?
Because of a modern call for diversity in fiction.

Eh, id say that they dont care about diversity so much as they care about appearance. The Empire shouldn't care if the person under the armour is male or female or alien. If they pass the requirements, can fit into the standard issue armour? All good. It's about forcing conformity, the same outwards appearance. Each storm trooper (minus officers who need to be marked out, and so on) looks the same because they are the mailed fist of the empire. There is no individuality. Nobody cares what's under those helmets, and nor should they.

>Aren't they evil space nazis?

Well, they were. At least until The Mouse came along.

Now that Darth Mickey is in charge there's been a major push for diversity.

But the thing is, that makes far more sense for the Rebel Alliance than it does for the Empire.

You want a lesbian admiral? Great!

Admiral Kar'peyt Mon'chyr is a perfect addition to the Rebel cause!

>There is no individuality. Nobody cares what's under those helmets, and nor should they.

Conformity is more than just appearance; conformist behaviour must also be inculcated, and some groups bend better than others.

Cool thing about having a racist backing to your totalitarian rule is that you can always adjust the bandwidth later. Once you've subjugated all the aliens, theeeeeen start systematically oppressing whatever humans are the most alien.

I know. Like we didn't got more aliens in A New Hope because it would have been too expensive.
But those are not in-universe reason.
It's no big deal, but A New Hope didn't really sell the idea of an alien-hating Empire.

And it would have been pretty easy to put the medal on his neck offscreen (Or put Carrie on a chair, since their feets are cut in the scene).

They are - they're human supremacists. In a galaxy where hundreds of sapient species live together and compete for resources, you don't get a lot of inclusiveness points for accepting every kind of human. The Empire looks down on aliens and everyone looks down on droids.

IIRC the Empire was already defined as being xenophobic in terms of being human supremacist. If you already hate most of the galaxy, sexism and racism are pretty unproductive ideals.

The Empire is large enough to expect there to be a lot of different ethnicities, even if the officers we see in the movies are mostly white; there's still plenty of room for dead minorities stormtrooper wise.

I mostly assume the white semi-British Imperials we see are coming from a similar source like the Corellians like how most Totalitarian governments like to recruit from their more loyal subjects.

Nazis in that they enslave alien species and are very xenophobic. They only allowed humans to join IIRC

Couldn't give a damn about your skin color.

Sparta was very totalitarian and cared very little about one's sexual preferences as long he or she performed their reproductive duties to Sparta.

SS troopers, as prime specimens of the German race, were encouraged to have extramarital children by Himmler himself.

Controlling mating practices does not necessarily mean that sexualities other than heterosexual are vilified.

Didn't the nazis believe in Tibetan buddhist bullshit though?

You do realize that the majority of the Waffen SS were not German right?

Humans are superior, though.

That was the Yuuzan Vong books, not the comics

You do know there's a difference between Waffen SS and SS, right?

As I recall, they were racist and Sexist in the old EU, only allowing Human Males to really progress in the hierarchy. The few women who gained positions of power, like Isard and Daala, were exceptional politicians or ruthless as fuck. Thrawn, the only alien to get power in the old Empire, was a goddamned tactical genius, politician, connoisseur and a skilled enough Commando to fight an entire battalion of Stormtroopers unarmed. Skin color was never an issue.

Looks like they just removed the sexist part from the Empire's policies.

not sure about the Empire, but the First Order raises/conditions Stormtroopers from birth. With such an emphasis on conformity, you'd think they treat everyone within their own ranks exactly the same. How you look doesn't matter: keep your helmet on and march in line. I imagine they'd keep this policy towards civilians too. So they're "diverse" in the sense that they crush all aspects of individual identity, therefore becoming completely homogenous.

Obviously that's not the Empire, but given that the First Order gets everything from the Empire, it's reasonable to assume the Empire was similar, but less extreme.

the National Socialist German Workers' Party was for every man, woman, and child

the Wehrmacht followed the standard military recruitment policies of the 1930's/'40's

Don't have to be racist or sexist to be a fascist autocrat user, it's just that the one really REALLY famous/good example we've had in recent history had a good deal of both Ingrained in it due to a variety of reasons

It was kinda pointless imo. Just a bit 'Yeah, we needed them to be more evil!'

They don't really get much more evil doing that and end up looking a lot more petty.

you still get people who unironically think the empire were the good guys and the rebels were evil terrorists though

That happens with basically every setting.

If you make a group look stylish, people will like them and you have to admit, the uniforms are Boss.

>your terrorists are our freedom fighters.

Well, you could say that in the end, it's all true, from a certain point of view.

I think it can't be linked to the fact that the Empire is never seen doing evil things. Stormtroopers in Mos Esley seem pretty chill, and we don't see any other population center.
Showing them assaulting the jawas or Lars' farm would have done a lot of good in that regard.
There's Alderan and the torture sphere, but considering that (as an example) the US nuked two japanese cities and that the CIA did some pretty unsavory things everywhere on the planet, it's hard to give the Galactic Empire the "Irredemable Evil" label based only on that without a lot of dissonance.

And the EU added the completely evil Compnor while making the regular Empire more nuanced

while I agree with most of what your saying I don't think the nuke example is entirely applicable, the US was at war with an enemy combatant country. Alderan was a peaceful plant with no weapons purely chosen as an example for the example to really work I think it would need to be something like the US nuking Switzerland. besides there's a world of difference between destroying two city's and blowing up a planet in terms of evil.

It's even harder for the Rebels to be painted as 100% good. You've got a bunch of guerilla fighters trying to overthrow the only large-scale government in the galaxy, probably for a variety of reasons. You've got anarchists, remains of the separatists from the Clone Wars, profiteers, and just country bumpkins from the outer rim who don't want the gubmint to take their blasters or their slaves.

There has to be collateral damage, too, and not just civilian contractors on the second Death Star like they talked about in Clerks. When you're an underdog, you have to fight dirty. You have to avoid a pitched battle at all costs. You have to impersonate civilians and medics. You have to shoot their medics and evacuees. You have to destroy infrastructure that keeps a lot of imperial civilians alive. The laws and customs of war are made by powerful states to protect themselves from underdogs because war crimes are how underdogs win.

>Alderan was a peaceful plant with no weapons

They were secretly funding terrorist insurgencies.
Think of Alderan as an Iran of sorts.

>Uniforms are Boss

Heh...

Yeah but Alderan was full of real humans and not sand monkeys, so you can't just go killing them willy-nilly.

If you math it out, you'd probably find that the whole population of Alderaan corresponds to less than one person on Earth.

>Alderan was a peaceful plant with no weapons
A whole planet with no weapons? What sort of moron would believe that?

I miss the old EU.

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>Obi-wan dresses in sensible desert attire in order to blend in with locals
>later canon insists that his generic wardrobe was in fact the standard Jedi uniform because all Jedi lived in the desert all the time or something and he kept wearing said uniform during the crackdown because fldkjhaslk;hgasldhgf
The thing about Star Wars is that it was powered by its imagery. The viewer had an immediate sense of what was going on based on the props. There was no need to write an elaborate backstory, because those weapons and outfits were in themselves sufficient story. It is also important to understand that when the original movie was made, everyone in Hollywood knew that sequels=suicide and that only a drooling retard would try to make a franchise out of Star Wars. Since it was obviously just a one-off movie, there was zero need to write up a coherent canon bible for later reference.

It was never meant to be like this.

that whole valley of jedi and whatever was a crock of shit. Jerec, some master sith cockknocker was rollin around with a bunch of other sith and vader tolerated it? fuck off.

loved the game though. those assholes with the repeater blaster were fucking assholes though.

To be fair, in the old EU there were mentions of how powerful women like Daala, Ysanne Isard, and Moff Leonia Tavira were discriminated against and forced into more menial roles that were beneath their abilities, until they connived and forced their way into power. In the big picture, being a Human and loyal to the Emperor should have been enough to warrant acceptance into the Empire. Maybe Sheev just really hated Gungans and took it out on all non-human species after he ascended to the throne.

Which is weird because I always thought the Jedi Knight clothes was supposed to be what Luke wore in Return, something sort of like a karate gi. Robes don't really make sense, they're so flowing that they'd seriously inhibit you in a fight.

The prequel trilogy pretty much proves you right, how many scenes are there of Jedi shrugging off those robes so they can actually fight, of course fighting wasn't a Jedi's primary concern but the point stands.

Meh, I'll do as I did before. Aknowledge the good parts and ignore the bad ones, regardless of canonicity.
Granted, it becomes slightly harder now that we got two continuities, but so far it's manageable.

It would make sense if the jedi took some kind of poverty vow. Like how some beggar religious orders dress in rags to stay humble.
But considering how fabulous the temple is... Maybe as architectural remnants from a time when jedi had more personal riches?

OP, there were literally black Divisions of the Waffen SS, as well as yellow and brown ones.

Besides, the Galactic Empire are human supremacists, they hate aliums.

Post more QT black Imperials.

>ITS STILL CANON TO ME DAMN IT!!!

I miss Kyle Katarn as well. but I sort of do a similar thing if it hasn't been discredited outright its in the proper canon that or I just say to myself all the EU stuff is an AU and that usually clams my sperg fitswith the added benefit of ignoring the crappy stuff.

PURGE THE ALIENS

INTERGALACTIC RACE WAR NOW

>ITS STILL CANON TO ME DAMN IT!!!
Well, yes. Of course.

I've never understood this obsession with canon, that is pretty specific to the anglosphere as far as I can tell.

Any cultural works rely on the observer to fill the blanks. No work is complete by itself. If I were to push a bit too far, I'd say that it's only ink on paper/colored pixels and agitated air, and all the story only exist in your head. You've got to take into account the author's intent, your own cultural interpretations, the limitations of the medium, the internal viewpoint of the story.
And that's for simple settings, not things like Star Wars that are contradictory messes spanning decades.

Not two persons will absorb exactly the same thing, even if they read the same text.
It's the main reason nerd debates are so intense and usually go nowhere. The real world ≠ user's #1 reality ≠ user's #2 reality.

Take that thread : Some see the Empire as Evil Space Nazis, others see it as a Bureaucracy smothered by its own weight and internal corruption, and a final part sees it a legitimate galactic power assaulted by terrorists, even if most of us have the same base material.

The empire was about controlling the galaxy, not genocide or xenocide. They did seem to hold the notion that humans are the master race, which is actually true in star wars.

Rashomon is one Kurosawa movie neither Lucas nor some fans will ever get.

God I wanted to like Lost stars.

Girl is fucking dumb and the dude is actually reasonable. Anyone want me to sum up the book for them?

The new empire (And even the old to certain lengths) is mostly a meritocracy. The strong seize power, regardless of gender or race.

Go ahead.

>boy and girl into SPACESHIPS
>Boy and girl are from different economic classes on the world of JELLO CAN
>Show up at the annexation ceremony of the world thrown by the empire
>Both decide to fuck off from their parents and go wonderin
>Show up at hanger shit ensues and end up talking to grand moff tarkin
>tarkins like cool these kids like spaceships. join the empire kids!
>Rich boy decides to let poor girl use his spaceship to GIT GUD at flyin
>Proceed to keep being friends
>Go off to imperial academy. Anime level romance between friends happens
>Competition to assemble gun boys gun get sabotaged
>Learn that the gubment pitted the two friends against each other to push competition and break the relationship.
>Guy is like "WOH THAT'S FUCKED UP"
>GIRL is like "LOL THEY HAD THEIR REASONS! RESPECT THE AUTHORITY! MUH POOR PEOPLE OATH"
>Get in fight and drift apart
>Proceed to get back together at the grad ceremony
>Girl goes on to command training
>Guy goes and become a TIE pilot
>A LITERAL TIE PILOT.
>BEING EXPENDABLE IS COOL KIDS
>shit goes on get to the death star
>Both watch it blow up alderann

PT. 1

Ya know what fuck it.

Girl goes on to follow the empire thinking she can make it change. Guy goes on to realize the empire is bretty fucked up.

Girl hates guy but still fucks him multiple times throughout the book.

Oh then at the battle of jakku the dude boards her star destroyer that she commands beats her ass takes her off the ship she's willingly plummeting into the ground.

BUT OUR LOVE CONQUERS ALL!

No author it doesnt. I get it's a teens book really but for fuck sake.

>Jerec, some master sith cockknocker was rollin around with a bunch of other sith and vader tolerated it? fuck off.

He was an Inquisitor. Basically what Disney now reintroduced in rebels.

>But considering how fabulous the temple is... Maybe as architectural remnants from a time when jedi had more personal riches?

Just look how the temples of such actual orders look. And it doesn't even go against the vow ... from a certain point of view. Less money for each monk, means more money to waste on monastery decoration, icons and such.

Actually...there's been female Stormtroopers and pilots since the 1980's novels.

Only in the higher ranks of the Imperial Navy was there sexism so they could have Sisters of Battle Daala.

Kyle sucked after Dark Forces.

Dark Forces was 10/10.

Are there any non-humans in the Imperial Army other than Siths?

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There are only two Sith, Vader and Palpatine. The rest are either the Emperor's Hand or Inquisitors, both of whom like to call themselves Sith but were only given a handful of Sith teachings at best.

In Disney canon, yes there is.

NEH DARKIEZ, NEH WIMMEN!

THAHTS THA RULEZ OF THEH EMPIYAH!

Human High Culture is the motto, so as long as they're human it's fine.

That's from the Fel Empire, long after the Galactic Empire's original policies were abandoned in favor of survival and pragmatism.

Why would the Empire have standards? They started with an army of Mexicans.

That was also the canon where the Empire was actually Palpatine preparing the galaxy for the Vong.

Let's compromise.

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im pretty sure we call them space nazis because of this scene.

youtube.com/watch?v=sr3L7yI5lzQ

Compromise what?

... that annihilated the Jedi Order and conquered the galaxy.

Rebels showed that even old clones were still good compared to imperial recruits.

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There were also the off screen Bothan spies the Rebellion sent to their deaths for getting the Death Star plans.

They're more similar than you think! I mean, first off, Star Wars planets are basically cities anyway - gigantic monocultural monoclimates. In terms of the scales for their respective settings, Alderaan and Nagasaki are pretty similar. Moreover, like Alderaan, Nagasaki was a city full of civilians that, nevertheless, provided significant war materiel to a militarily significant opponent, and was selected as part of a plan to demonstrate a powerful new weapon to demoralize the enemy through fear.

Face it. We're the Empire. The only difference is we elect a new Sith Lord every 4 years.

Wait, it's implied that humans are actually the bestest race in the galaxy? What supports that notion?

Besides the mere fact that the protagonists are nearly all human, of course.

FO Trooper armour is plainly inferior to Storm Troopr armour in terms of environmental protection. FO Troopers doesn't filter even poison, Stormie armour can be vac sealed and has an hour's supply of air, even longer with added air tanks.

The singular and plural of Jedi and Sith are the same. It is one Sith, and many Sith. It can be one Jedi or four Jedi. There is no "s" at the end of either.

Why do so many people fuck this up? If English isn't their first language I understand, but I've seen native speakers (and even heard people in real life) say "siths" and such.

Why. Why is it so hard to understand?

What race is every protagonist?

In the Darth Plagueis book Plagueis mentions something about humans being the most diverse and adaptable race the galaxy has seen, or something like that. While many races (such as his, the Muun) were geared towards a few specialized roles, humans could be found in almost any and ever line of work, from the lowliest of swoop gang slime to the highest politician and Jedi (and Sith) master and every single occupation in between. Meanwhile it was a rare thing if a Muun was ever anything other than a banker or something that dealt with the crunching of numbers and sales, or Trandoshians being anything but mercenaries or slavers, etc.

I'm paraphrasing of course but basically humans are the most ambitious and adaptable. We breed quickly, we spread, we learn, we conquer and we don't give up. Obviously the reason humans are considered the "chosen" species is because we in reality are humans and if the Star Wars setting wasn't geared towards making us feel special certainly more than just humans would be capable of achieving similar feats. But that's why.

Same thing happens in Mass Effect. Humans are newcomers to the galactic scene but quickly rise to pretty much take over, even though the other races have been around for hundreds of years. We make ourselves special in our fantasy settings. Humans are the ultimate, collective mary sues.

>im pretty sure we call them space nazis because of this scene

The Empire was supposed to be reminiscent of nazis since A New Hope. Their soldiers weren't called 'Stormtroopers' by accident, and their uniforms and style were obviously similar to those used by nazis.

they were obviously nazis from the beginning, british nazis.

Stormtrooper is a term used to describe Canadian soldiers in ww1, a nickname given by the germans.