/swg/ - Inevitable Reboot Edition

Ooh I was worrying about the shitty PS3 of the pilots. That list looks way better, I just need to nab a Fleet Officer from somewhere probably get it loose on ebay or something.

Or just buy a Decimator, they're still as good as they ever were, and it'd let you bring that lesser used Decimator - Rexler combo that used to be used every so often back when Decimator was king.

This could also work as a variant if you don't want to go double defender.

geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!71:170,144,-1:34:17:;49:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:35:17:u.95,u.183;79:27,36,-1:-1:9:&sn=Unnamed Squadron

I've flown Whisper in 2 games now and I can't position him worth a crap and then he gets focussed down. Is there any general advice on flying Phantoms or is it just a matter of being less aggressive with one?

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My bad

You should know by now that the Imperial Navy specialises in traps.

As sad as it sounds your best bet is to get out your play mat, throw down six asteroids randomly, and then fly your Phantom around and around until you get a good feel for its maneuvering.

And yeah, Whisper's special decloak template can throw you for a loop sometimes.

You could take Soontir instead of Whisper, that does leave you with 4 points spare. You could give Rexler VI, but that still leaves 3 to go.
Perhaps swap the Mk2 engines of Rexler out for a Stealth Device or a Hull Upgrade?

Plus Soontir doesn't get that much out of your Fleet Officers as the other choices do, Focus token gain isn't really his problem.
Still, the Baron is still the Baron, and a PS10 Rexler with Tractors + a normal attack with two focus and a Target Lock (potentially) is nothing to sniff at either.

Critique my list

This is for casual funtimes right?

>having watched it recently it holds up quite well.
I think the issue is that they no longer fit into their own canon. The story of Star Wars would make a lot more sense and be a lot more coherent if you could reshoot the OT and correct all of Lucas' Campbellian shit.

Should take Cluster Bombs instead.

And Sabine on one of them.

That sounds like a fairly sound plan might give it a few practice loops before I fly the Phantom next.

As for the de-cloak, I think someone recently recommended taking Intelligence Agent so I can better adjust my de-cloaks.

I fly Interceptors a lot (I love them so much) so I've been meaning to try something different.

Take an intelligence agent as training wheels. The best way is to just do it a bunch, think about where they want to be and position yourself accordingly.

>Inevitable Reboot Edition
Obi-Wan Kenobi, I'm Galactic Empire.

>people unironically not recoiling in horror at the idea of an OT reboot

Kinda how I feel about the dude who played Edward in Twillight, he's a cool dude in person who gives zero fucks. His interviews are pretty funny.

How does the D6 system hold up to Edge of the Empire/Age of Rebellion? Is SAGA any good?
I'm considering running a game but can't really decide which one to go with or if I should just run it with White Star for simplicity.
Probably going to be KOTOR era for the thematic feel (minus whatever bullshit the MMORPG introduced), although then again I do really love the Empire. (the Rebellion can suck mah balls tho)

>implying it wasn't luke getting caught as a part of his plan to crashing the death star with no survivors

Haven't gotten to actually play any WEG Star Wars, but their sourcebooks were pretty great (and several of the upper-level LucasFilm employees, including Pablo Hidalgo, worked on the game at some point).

Saga is probably the best of the "technically not actually D&D" d20 variants. Which isn't saying much. People call Pathfinder D&D 3.75, but honestly that fits SWSE a lot better as it legitimately was a test bed for a number of 4e ideas.

Also, SAGA is a completely different game, and has nothing to do with Star Wars.

>d20 variant
Alright, so that rules out SAGA as the base system at least.
I guess it's down to White Star, WEG or the FFG ones.

How are the FFG games?
I don't mind funky dice but worry a bit when I hear words like "narrativist" thrown around.

PS2 ships aren't great at dropping bombs. You have to predict like crazy and your opponent can always react with repositioning.

Mines like proximity, conner, cluster are much better at lower PS because you can move first and drop them on ships before they can get out of the way.

K-Wing: Warden Squadron Pilot (23)
Extra Munitions (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Proximity Mines (3)
Advanced SLAM (2)
Bombardier (1)
K-Wing: Warden Squadron Pilot (23)
Extra Munitions (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Proximity Mines (3)
Advanced SLAM (2)
Bombardier (1)
K-Wing: Warden Squadron Pilot (23)
Extra Munitions (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Proximity Mines (3)
Advanced SLAM (2)
· Sabine Wren (2)
-- TOTAL ------- 100/100p. --

I've used this a few times to good effect. Jump on ships early, drop mines on them, slam and drop if necessary. Sabine lets you spike damage a bit. And if anything survives, you have the autoblasters for some extra ace insurance.

>Bieber
>???
>Efron

Biebers boyfriend, isn't it?

Guys I realized something. I think I might have experienced the best format in which Dark Empire can be read. At young age before I could read. To this day I stil haven't bothered reading most of it and got the story from episode 1-9 by looking at picture and my mom reading the first comic to me and then giving up, because fuck it, too many made up words.

So this is my version of dark empire.

>han, leia, c3po and chewie go to some planet where there was a space battle
>they see some spooky fighters and follow them to the big city where empire is fighting empire because they dunno who's boss now
>big ass battle and it's really cool
>lukes there and some gangsters and everybody fights, they have robots and dogs too
>then at AT-AT comes and luke fucks it up because he's jedi
>some storm comes an sucks luke up and sends him to emperor town where the emperor is and luke can't beat him so he joins him for now (totally knew luke wouldn't go bad)
>then the empire sends their new super weapon planet crushers that eat planets and make fighters to the squid planet and the rebels attack them with their stolen star destroyer but the planet crusher eats it
>also lando was the captain of that ship but he got away
>and everybody keeps bringing new fancy fighters to the the squid planet fight
>then the empire attacks some city with robots
>but the city has better robots
>so empire sends spooky fighters that destroys the robots
>but then the city sends beetle robots that destroy the spooky fighters and have shields
>also luke basically reinacts the episode 6 where he sorta doesn't evil but then actually not
>han and leia go to some city planet and meets han solos friends and it's episode 5 plus start 6 all over again

>then FUCKING BOBA FETT WASN'T DEAD
>8yearoldmindblown.jpg
>more star wars crime city stuff happens and they fight with more bounty hunters and the bounty hunters fight each other
>there's also an old jedi woman who gives a light saber to leia
>also something happens and rebels in boats board the planet crushers and the planet crushers are destroyed and luke kills the emperor and then destroyed his clones or something but then it was too late and there was a new emperor and he wins
>then they try to bust luke out but they get captured and han gets busted out by his friend but leia stays and does the episode 6 thing too, but she is now luke and luke is vader
>i get things kind of mixed up at this point but the emperor dies again and I think it was the storm that ate him or maybe that was later
>anyway luke and some other new guy goes to some planet full of light sabers and fighters tribe people and then the bad guy comes and the tree blows him up and the tribe people join luke
>han and leia does some more episode 5-6 stuff and runs into boba fett but then end up in the space fog and meet a flying ball man who also joins them
>they train to be jedi and luke kisses the tribe girl but then spider robots and dark jedi attack and tribe girl dies
>btw boba fett fights storm troopers at some point and chewie tears his head off and flies him into the roof but he doesn't die
>then the rebels and lando hide in the beetle robots and attack the empire when they land the robots but the monsters eat the robots but han solos friends save them
>then the emperor uses a big space cannon to shoot a missile at the rebel base and blows it up but the woman and squid man from episode 6 don't die
>leia and han also has two kids and gets another or something

Then I couldn't find the last three episodes which were not drawn by Cam Kennedy and were called Dark Empire part 2 or something.

tl;dr: Being 10 years old and unable to read makes Dark Empire great.

Ooooooh.

FFG's system is actually quite fun and once you get the hang of the dice, resolves checks quickly. I like it a lot.

It abstracts things like range and movement to make it more "action movie" but still has enough crunch to not be a "Narrativist Game"

The Advantage and Threat dice are a great mechanic for throwing wrenches into what would otherwise be simple successes and failures, and the system works REALLY well for social "combat" like trying to bluff your way through an Imperial Customs check.

Personally, running the FFG system with a hefty dose of the WEG material as sourcebooks seems like the most optimal way to go.

Honestly you weren't even that far off from the story either. Nice interpeting.

Pretty much any Sword & Sandal movie, Harryhausen flicks, most Hammer Horror ones and quite a lot of cheesy action ones (even modern stuff like John Carter of Mars).
Average 3rd+ level PC: youtube.com/watch?v=vN-ttCBHyx8

>10 years old
>can't read
Did you grow up in inner city detroit user?

Spacebump

>"Rebel fleet entering combat area. All ships, break formation, you are clear to engage."

>"Alright, all squadrons give it everything you got! we have to hold them here or we lose the planet."

>Suppressor, checking in
>Prototype Squadron, checking in
>Black Squadron checking in
>Requiem, checking in

>Tantive IV, standing by
>Ghost here, standing by
>Gold squadron, standing by
>Blue squadron, standing by
>Dagger squadron, standing by

>"All ships, weapons free! Engage, engage, engage!

>Turn 2

Turn 3. Sorry for the glare.

>"Sir, we're getting hammered here! We can't hold them in a furball like thi-"
>"Tantive is down! I repeat, Tantive is down!"

>"Whisper here. Primary target disabled."
>"Excellent. All ships, prepare to break through. Their base will be ours soon enough"

Sadly, we stopped taking pictures after that, but this 1000 point game of X Wing ended in an Imperial victory with the destruction of the Tantive, while the Raider and one Gozanti broke through enemy lines. A viewport breach killed Grand Moff Tarkin shortly before the other Gozanti was destroyed, so it wasn't a flawless victory.

So, the last picture you get is one we termed "Jelly Squadron"

Good grief. How many redbulls were consumed?

Many bottles of mexican soda with cane sugar

that will do it

Tournament epic when?

When scum get a huge

Hey, so I'm pretty new to X-wing, how does this list look?

I really don't like HLC, I don't get how that 4th die is that useful, especially since it doesn't work in range 1, costs 3 extra points over the mangler, and can't crit.

Mangler cannons for 99% of the time, but Tractors are just being brought along b/c I have 2 points leftover and I might be able to asteroid some people.

Fuck, forgot to attach the image.

Because having four attack dice versus three defense dice can mean all the difference when fighting Imperial aces. Crits are quite nice, don't get me wrong, but generally speaking putting more actual damage on your target is worth more. Brobots are already a relatively low-damage list, and you won't have shots every turn. Gimping yourself when you do is generally not a good idea.

Also if you are going to take PtL generally you should take Adv. Sensors rather than FCS. Allows you to clear stress with a green maneuver after your actions. You will not be able to turn around with your current build, unless you don't use PtL and then you're being less efficient and broadcasting your moves.

Was at a regional tournament today and went 0-6. Has Wave 8 shifted the meta so much that all of my favorite ships (regen Poe, Corran, et al) aren't viable anymore?

>Glitterstim on IGs
How the hell are the droids even taking those drugs?

How does Bender drink?

So are there any guides for the old d20 revised star wars classes? I can't seem to find any but I figured if there were you all would know where to find them, just trying to pour over the information asap and would like a tad bit of guidance rather then having to quickly read through pdfs and hope to find stuff.

I fluff it as illegal bootleg software.

>Droids getting high by downloading glitterstim.exe
Sounds like something you'd see in Shadowrun.

I won a store championship with double defenders back before TIE mkII came out.

Shit was cash.

Hey, Hiro. Wanna try some Snow Crash?

well it doesnt crit on your initial dice roll. If you had it on Col Vessery, you could roll 4 and with the target lock you get after attacking reroll blanks for a crit.

You want to change the OT to better fit the prequels? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

In any sane world yes, the way the prequils were done killed a lot of the feel the OT had in regards to the clone wars, Vader, and the Empire as a whole. At least in my opinion, the way Anikan was written was trash, the clone wars were not a very big deal, and the empire felt a lot less grandiose when put in the perspective of the Prequel.

>if you could reshoot the OT

*cough cough*

Not this shit again. Please. I'm so tired. My family is dying.

...

>My family is dying
Unless they're being killed by a rehash of the Death Star I fail to see how that's relevant.

They're being killed by this fucking argument again.

I am willing to put their lives at risk.

Zack would make a decent young Han actually, but logan Lerman would do it better.

>correct all of Lucas' Campbellian shit
Using mythic story structure is something that needs to be corrected?

My personal feelings are the prequel did not build up to the Original Trilogy very well. The entire thing felt very underwhelming.

Isn't that a problem with the prequels, not the OT?

The prequels in general weren't really necessary. The Clone Wars and pre-Rebellion period worked perfectly fine as some distant, mythical, bygone age.

They Overclock.

Really, I'm just not sure if PTL is the way to go. What would be a better EPT? Right now I was only planning to push I'd I was going to do a green next turn anyways.

Just speaks volumes of what art can convey.

Bad part of European suburbs, some of them have a lot in common. Raised by a single mom in housing projects full of various forms of ethnic minorities, doesn't help that I have concentration issues and suck at sitting still. The neighbor family that moved in same time as my mom and I is a great way to explain what kind of neighborhood this is. The daughter has three kids of varying skin colours and is now single, and the son is doing time across the border in Sweden for trying to smuggle khat into the country. Also I know my experience, that despite cardboard walls, they muffle out gunshots entirely. At first I didn't have to learn to read because I could just beat up Paki kids and get them to do it.

Nice blogposting I know.

>distant, mythical, bygone age
>about 20 years ago

Even based on just the original movie we knew the Empire was pretty recent. We're told Luke's father was a Jedi in the Old Republic. And one of the first conversations in the movie is about how they had only just then gotten rid of the senate.

The birth of the Empire an the end of the Clone Wars, sure, but the length of the Clone Wars was never brought up. The time frame we got in the prequels and prequel materials makes the Clone era seem ridiculously short compared to the air of mystery given by the OT and Thrawn Trilogy, which made it seem like they lasted far longer. There's a bit of reverence in the way Obi-Wan talks about the old days that makes it feel like the Clone Wars should have been longer. Plus, there's just something about the prequel films that doesn't make it feel like a twenty-year gap. I don't really know how to describe it, it just doesn't really give me the vibe that it all happened decades before the OT. Maybe it's the art, maybe it's the fact that Anakin goes full Vader right then and there.

The Clone Wars weren't that far chronologically from the OT, but the way they were discussed still felt a bit distant and mysterious, helped by the fact that hard dates weren't given in ANH.

If I was going to make a major change to the PT-era, I'd make the Clone Wars about a decade or so, maybe 15 years. Make it so that the republic was basically the Empire in all but name for a few years by the end. Also make the jedi kill-off more gradual; almost all are killed 'naturally' in the war, and the last betrayal is not as dramatic/official as Order 66. Like maybe by the end, the Jedi were mostly operating in the shadows, commando/infiltration work, not from-the-front generalling, and Vader and certain select strike teams whacked most of them before they knew what was happening, and after that, the empire first censors everything about the Jedi, and later begins to imply that the Jedi were actually the crooked republic's death-cult enforcers, not a mostly-independant order of mystics/traveling ronin.

Yeah, especially because they're called the Clone Wars, not the Clone War, it feels like it should be a longer, probably disjointed, start-stop conflict or series of conflicts.

>Jokes aside, I wouldn't necessarily be *against* an Episode 4/5/6 reboot.
If they ever do another Star Wars movie that's even 1/10 as good as the first two, I might agree with you. But The Force Awakens is the best movie outside of the original trilogy, and even aside from being complete rehash, the script is thoroughly lackluster. I suppose we should just be glad it's better than JJ Trek, but if that's really the "high" mark we're shooting for, I think it's best to stay the fuck away from the original trilogy.

Please, the Death Planet was completely different from the Death Star. It was, you know, a planet and all, and it shot like three rays at the same time. There's really no similarity at all.

Even Han in the movie didn't buy that.

>But The Force Awakens is the best movie outside of the original trilogy
Nah, that honor goes to Wing Commander IV's cutscenes. WC3 and 4 are Star Wars works in all but name.

If live-action video game cutscenes are included, Dark Forces II has to be in the running as well.

>maybe it's the fact that Anakin goes full Vader right then and there
This was the biggest issue for me. That he goes from naive but well meaning Jedi to full on child murderer in basically a single scene. Like it was just a flipped switch.

It's Deltron and Automator, obviously.

It really falls under the rubric of "You had one job to do!" They had three movies to portray the conversion of Anakin to the dark side and they utterly failed. The first movie was a complete waste. It was completely unnecessary, but if you're gonna have an "awe shucks" kid, you might as well start plotting the development from there. But instead, he goes straight to an angsty teen with no transition. And sure, the angsty teen shows some dark emotions, but he's such a d-bag that it makes it hard to identify with him and even harder to understand how the Jedi didn't see the trouble brewing (or at least take it a lot more fucking seriously than they did). So he stays Douchey McGee for a movie and a half and in the middle of RotS, he makes a split-second decision to saber Windu in defense of Palpatine (which is fine) and then is suddenly like "sure, I'll go kill some kids and help you spread darkness across the land" (which is not).

But from his point of view the Jedi are evil!

Riddle me this, can a person controlled by Palpatine and the prophecy ever be guilty of anything.
Last time I checked, you needed free will to Fall.

Yeah, I'd find this a lot more convincing if the Sith didn't all have names like Darth EvilMcBadGuy or Darth KillyMcDeath.

>Riddle me this, can a person controlled by Palpatine and the prophecy ever be guilty of anything.
>Last time I checked, you needed free will to Fall.
Sure. Prophecy is not about free will, it's about the events of "random" chance maybe not being so random, and interacting with free will to lead to a certain end, though all human choices involved were made free.
It's not about what humans decide, it's that God plays dice, and when there's a prophecy, the dice are loaded