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Dont know if Polebro can type out non-cryx stuff, but hows Feora 2 and Strakov looking?

They've got gunfighter. This makes me happy.

Thanks mate

How are Blighted Warmongers looking?

Thank you poland bro. It's exactly what I feared they would do to them. What's with EVERY def 15 unit going down to def 14?

Also if you have the time, what happened to precursors + ua. Thanks again.

Is there any chance we could see all of Scaverous? Getting the whole picture would greatly solidify whether or not he is one of our new S tiers! Thanks!

Oh wow, I didn't see this
>They've got gunfighter. This makes me happy.

Thanks for pointing it out. They are also a bit cheaper. I assume UA stays the same except for def 14.

Guessing the UA lost giving True Sight and gives them Arcane Storm back then?

I thought these were called Gun Mage Pistoleers nowadays?

beastsofwar.com/liveblogentry/awesome-new-retribution-model-coming-soon/

who knows. arcane tempest rifleman is there, so i guess thats enough?

Do we have any idea what happened to Maelok? His old tricks of spiny spam and revive seems pretty broken this edition. Also Croak raiders

The cards aren't final and have shitloads of typos and errors. Even the ones in Insiders have mistakes.

Oh god they're still so shitty. Someone at PP must really have a hateboner for Morrowan models.

Thanks for the spoilers. Did they UAs stay the same for both units rule- and pointwise?

I gotta say I'm a bit disappointed as well.

I'm the guy from last thread thinking about constance getting constance + precusors. I was really hoping for a buff on the precursors. Reach1 OR true weaponmaster maybe. I mean did anyone play them in mk2?

It's often the UA which makes the unit. That missing is a pretty significant factor.
This seems relatively usable. They are pretty cheap for lots of models with mat 7.

beastsofwar.com/liveblogentry/the-one-youve-been-waiting-for-new-legion-character-warbeast/

It seems like all the shit units are staying shit, but the good units are being made equally shit, which makes the shit units decent.

I'm gonna guess Lylyth Affinity

Thanks for the spoilers so far. Any news on the long gunners

Cheers

Sorry if you've already answered this polebro. Do you have any Ret card scans, if so could we see the Destors and Houseguard Thane?

No Circle spoilers makes me sad. Also amused, but mostly sad.

The starting point is so insanely bad I don't see how a UA could fix them, unless it had like twice as many rules as other UAs without costing extra. Spell Ward is basically a negative rule since the only redeeming quality of a unit like this is that they would take buffs well, and Shield Guard is a no-win option since they get to choose between having victim stats or being too slow to be relevant (while still having victim-ish stats, 13/18 doesn't save you from much beyond pot-shots and vanilla blasts).

Like, copy-pasting the Mk2 Satyxis Raider UA onto them might do it, but I have a feeling insane things like that aren't going to exist anymore.

It's a bit weird.
Would like to know how hard Morv2 got nerfed.

Any chance for the cards for the Basher and Earthbreaker and Galleon?

Strange that no Cygnar player asked for Stormblade or SwordKnight cards.

I guess Mercs don't have too many positive upkeeps that are good on them?
Maybe they'll have to IFP shield wall run order as once per game as well as power swell? That would make them a.... Maybe usable unit? 13/18 that moves 12" is not too bad for holding zones.

What about the rest of Asphyxious3?

Any Convergence? Angels? Aurora?

Sure foot is a great buff for precursors in mercs..oh wait..

I ran them once in a while with Surefoot on Rhupert right behind them. But then I started putting it on the Kayazy underboss and never played precursors again.

But really, when are they gonna give us the Toro? Come on already, PP

Hope for a broken UA

>I ran them once in a while with Surefoot on Rhupert right behind them.

I ran them with damiano and gallant once. Was pretty gud 2bh so I'm a bit upset about the surefoot change.

It will probably be the same as before.
Have we seen banners get weapons in MK3 that didn't have them before btw? I never understood why some UA models like the precursors just came without weapons.

I would love some stormnoun cards!

>I guess Mercs don't have too many positive upkeeps that are good on them?
That's not true in the slightest, off the top of my head we've got Sure Foot and sometimes Death March (Damiano), Quicken (Ashlynn), Blur and sometimes Death Ward (Magnus1), and Countermeasure (MacBain).

Once again it looks like they're a unit designed to operate specifically with Constance Blaize and her aura buffs, but they forgot to account for the fact that Blaize is hot garbage.

The best thing that can be said for them is that (assuming the UA is the same) they're just threatening enough to maybe force the enemy to kill them to fuel Constance's feat.

But then again, if I wanted a unit who's main purpose was tactical suicide I'd still be taking Nyss or Kayazy under Durgen for Primed, that's how you do tactical suicide right.

hope she's more fun to play than "hide, skarlock rit sac, DG, run banes, repeat" as in mk2

how the fuck did they keep snipe? Age of Cygnar indeed ugh

Cygnar broken as shit still, eCain got magic bullet runeshot i think with his reload infinity

gunfighter? man that's ridiculous. bc gun mages needed help right? smdh

>gunfighter? man that's ridiculous. bc gun mages needed help right? smdh

I dont know man. They only got slightly cheaper will most many other units/models saw a significant drop in points. They are only def 14 now.

They have gun fighter, sure, but I personally don't think that rule will come up to often. Being able to melee yourself free of blocking units that ran up to you is nice but will most of the time be a waste of their abilities.

>Being able to melee yourself free of blocking units that ran up to you is nice but will most of the time be a waste of their abilities.

That was imo the whole balance of them. They destroyed infantry (and cryx jacks lol) at range but get into melee and they're fucked/useless. Being equally good at 14" (snipe on a stick regardless of caster, with magic weapons, is broke and ima have a stroke if they kept that fucking rune shot for a marshaled jack) and when engaged is just dumb

Khadoranon here, I didn't see anything SPECIFIC for Circle but I was told by the source of the Khador cards I saw that Brad and Wolds appear to be changed to the point that they are hot garbage.

Question from the previous thread, Great Bears did keep reach! I'm also pissed I didn't take a look at Shield Wall now.

The fun came from crushing your enemy and hearing the lamemtations of his women.
Getting the feat and dg and watching 2 units and a heavy get wrecked was beautiful.
And it'll still be doable.

No, the UA for Gun Mages lost True Sight :).

Not Poland dude but I have all the cards, ask away.

Privateer anything spoilers? A pirate i was meant to be!

Any info about Strakhov and/or Assault Kommandos?

>The fun came from crushing your enemy and hearing the lamemtations of his women.
>Getting the feat and dg and watching 2 units and a heavy get wrecked was beautiful.
>And it'll still be doable.
That's fair, I think maybe the playstyle just isn't for me. I like a more active caster. I know skarre can play that way and have seen it done but would rather just play a more inherently active caster than make it work that way with her

also surgeons not being able to heal her is top kek

Well the good thing is that Bane Thralls also lost stealth! Ha! Fuck you gun mages!

What have they done to the Corrupter to drag it out of the toilet?

Yes, RNG14 POW10s in Warjack Edition, so scary.

If gunmages are using that rule things are probably going tits-up for the Cygnar player anyway, half the unit fighting free of whatever just attacked them will only be a small consolation. Between Snipe and Thunderbolt there really wasn't any excuse for them to be engaged in the first place beyond sloppy play, or if you just forgot to bring any sort of front-line to prevent things casually running up to your squishy gun dudes.

Meanwhile they dropped to Def14, which is a significant change.

did they keep the same drive such that they can put free snipe on anything

What I was trying to say is this: you really want to pick your targets with them. Juicy solos, pushable models, whatever. You target will not be the throwaway unit engaging you.

So gunfighter or not, you will still be forced to free them up with other units to get the most use out of them (except they now are only def 14). Gun fighter is something that will only come up if that really really isn't possible for some reason.

As ex-Cygnar player I can tell you that another thing that balanced them is that they cost like a 10 man unit, but they are just 7 of them with the UA so at the same cost you get 3 less attacks.

That means that even 1 missed attack with Gmage is a worse thing that a missed attack in a normal unit.

You have to consider that True Sight is now nerfed, doesn't ignore concealment so they need Deadeye more than ever.

>No, the UA for Gun Mages lost True Sight :).

The :) makes me wary but ok.

What are the UA rules now, did it get somnethign for true sight? Points?

Also what about the precursor UA? Thanks in advance.

To any spoilerbro present: have bane riders changed at all? What about Tartarus? I know there was a lot of talk about curse being changed/removed.

I'll post my thoughts on the new Trolls:

Warlocks:

pDoomy is still awesome. Lost Banishing Ward though but Dissolution is best Purify.

eMadrak is....not going to be killed. Ever. He's stupid good and has the best defensive tech in the game. Period.

pGrissel has a 9 inch bestial now. I can't believe they made Cacophony better. Plus Boundless Charge. She was already good, just got better.

Mulg looks ass.

Rok looks good, especially with pDoomy or either Borka (Has Bond Stumbling Drunk with Borka...yeah)

Warders are hot again.

Pygs suck ass.

Fenns look terrific. Expect two units with eMadrak lists.

Kriels look ass.

Glacial King didn't keep up.

MK looks better.

Just thoughts off the top of my head.

Wait surgeons can't heal her any more?
Dafuq? Why?
I also played eSkarre because pSkarre wasn't run for my brothers. Winning gets boring after a while if there is no challenge.

Feora 2 and Strakhov? =D

>Yes, RNG14 POW10s in Warjack Edition, so scary.
for hordes, who are having to take more infantry, it's obnoxious. and they shot up cryx jacks easily before. idk i just really dislike such a great buff being effectively free without needing to rely on the caster for it.

>Wait surgeons can't heal her any more?
>Dafuq? Why?
another thread said they can heal undead only

blighted ogrun warmongers?

What are long gunners and the stormnoun guys looking like now?

Thanks

So Spoilerbro, care to guess if there will be any change to which will be the go-to faction this thing or is everything equally shit.

Any news on Mortenebra or Nightmare?

>If gunmages are using that rule things are probably going tits-up for the Cygnar player anyway, half the unit fighting free of whatever just attacked them will only be a small consolation. Between Snipe and Thunderbolt there really wasn't any excuse for them to be engaged in the first place beyond sloppy play, or if you just forgot to bring any sort of front-line to prevent things casually running up to your squishy gun dudes.
Yeah I'm mainly thinking of the mk2 situation of running satyxis to engage them, or an Angel overtaking through most of the unit and tying up the rest in melee. former is no longer really a thing with loss of AD and DP, the latter, idk if angels kept overtake. you're right that at that point they're generally fucked tho, but being able to thunderbolt a beast tying them up out, and then other ones do real shooting work, eh idk it just seems like too much. and they got cheaper

It's not "free", because you're paying for a 6-man unit that is costed closer to some 10-man units and dies to anything that can connect with it. And now they've lost a point of DEF and artillery is suddenly way better in Mk3, like for 1pt more than their cost a pair of Horgenhold Arty are just going to delete most of the gunmages by the end of turn 2 then move on to blowing chunks out of heavies.

seconded

and waifu denny2/3?

Asphyxious3? Goreshade3?

Clockwork Angels?

>"Tell me, human... can you get down like this?"

Gun Mage UA gives Rune Shot for Drive. Magical plus the Gun Mage options for the Jack (Snipe, Brutal, etc.)

Granted Swift Hunter. With Snipe, that's going to be annoying :).

Tactics Practice Maneuvers--they ignore each other for LOS

Snipe/Crit Brut/Thunderbolt remains unchanged

4 points
Precursors were not in the Cygnar card pack. Take that for what you will...

Circle hasn't gotten much at all, could you throw us a couple bones?

>Gun Mage UA gives Rune Shot for Drive. Magical plus the Gun Mage options for the Jack (Snipe, Brutal, etc.)
>Granted Swift Hunter. With Snipe, that's going to be annoying :).
>Tactics Practice Maneuvers--they ignore each other for LOS
literally unbelievable

>and they got cheaper
A single point cheaper, when most things are seeing 2+ point decreases, and they lost a point of DEF which has a HUGE impact on their survivability.

>Precursors were not in the Cygnar card pack. Take that for what you will...

Thanks alot leak-bro.

Precursor UA is in the merc stack, I think, see .

Stormblades: MAT 7, POW 12s. POW 14 shots. RAT 5 still.

Leader still has arc (+2 Range and +2 to Melee and Ranged damage rolls)

10 points for 5

Stormblade Infantry Officer/Standard:

Granted Assault
Iron Zeal once per game
Conductor for Stormsmiths

5 points

Storm Gunners: Unchanged
2 points

Let's try.

Rretribution StormFall Archers.

Swift Hunter is strictly worse than Mk2 True Sight, and Practiced Maneuvers is close to a non-rule on a unit like them.

TWO CORRUPTORS AS HER JACKS INCOMING

Longgunners:

RAT 5, Range 14, POW 10
Dual Shot remains unchanged
18 points for 10

Longgun UA:
Flawsless Maneuvers: Reposition 5(!)
Granted Traded Fire: Additional die on Ranged Attack rolls against models within 8
Tactics Practice Maneuvers: Ignores each other for LOS
4 points

Don't have Ret, sorry :(

I'll get to Cryx shortly

>Flawsless Maneuvers: Reposition 5(!)
>Granted Traded Fire: Additional die on Ranged Attack rolls against models within 8

Would love to know exactly what they've done to the Seether. Thanks for the infos!

Any news on the collossals?

Can any of you elaborate on trolls changes ?

Lylyth3? Warmongers?

Iron Mother? Reciprocators?

Iron Zeal is really nice, and depending on how exactly Stormsmiths work now that conductor thing might be good, but they still feel overcosted.

Did their melee range change? 1" would make them easier to stomach.

Holy shit I'm a fucking GENIUS.

Wait, what? Conductor on Stormblades? Can we get the Stormsmith abilities?

Now...let's talk about someone for Cygnar who was good before but is complete bonkers now :)

eCaine(!)

Has True Sight all the time
Has 3 attack types he can use each time he makes a ranged attack roll. So yes, every time he shoots he can decide..not for the turn...but per attack

Black Penny: Ignores in melee
Grievous Wounds: Loses Tough if he hits and cannot have damage removed for one round
Trick Shot: If you hit, choose a model within 4". Suffers a POW 10 unboostable magic attack

Reload infinity of course

Feat Overkill remains unchanged

Bullet Dodger remains unchanged
Fire for Effect: Boost attack/damage rolls of target friendly faction models first ranged attack (upkeep)
Gate Crasher: Changed ot anywhere completely within 5". Still has melee restriction after Gate Crashing
Heightened Reflexes: Unchanged
So...Caine can kill how many models a turn now? Fucking crazy.

"rebalancing"