Tundra civ ep.58

Welcome everyone, new and old players alike! This is Tundra civ, a civ thread series in a fictional, non-fantasy setting where you play as the rulers of the White Republic, a nation in a world similar to our own.
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Previously on Tundra civ:
The Great War was followed by years of peace and prosperity, before a major financial crash in late 1180 AE. Within a year the crisis was dealt with, thankfuly. Years of prosperity have followed as technology has advanced, new laws have been set and our military has been made stronger than ever. It is now the year 1189 After Exile, the White Republic stands strong.

>Population:172 000 000 (78% white, 15 % chink,2%hibibi, 3% darkskin,2% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 27 500 000 Eyerdar 15 200 000 Veita 15 100 000 Ocras

>Economy:8//10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability:8/10


>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws

Last time we instituted the Substances Consumption Law. Alcohol may be consumed by all men and women ages 18+. Tobacco and drugs have been banned.

>>J.Regional development
Bring up the standard of living within our cities. No more slums, time to nip communism in the bud.

The NPU has been struggling for its economic survival after the war, having lost much of its arable lands, but being swarmed by refugees from the lost territories.The reparations have mostly been paid by now, but the terms of disarmament still stand.

Really bad upload speed, as usual.

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>I.Improve economy
Alright let's go been wait for so long

Let's combine the two.
What general economic policy will be pursued now?
A.Lower taxes and spending, let the economy grow by letting people have their own money to spend without the entanglement of bureaucracy
B.More focus on urban development
C.More focus on rural development
D.Raise more taxes to afford larger development projects in all possible areas
E.Other

>C.More focus on rural development
>D.Raise more taxes to afford larger development projects in all possible areas
We need to create more local cities.
It will greatly improve our economy if optimized transport is available to most everywhere, business could the implant themselves locally instead of only in urban region thus removing most disadvantages of cities at the cost of more transportation.

I like this

Rolled 29 (1d100)

Rural conservatives have managed to gain support in the Council for large investments into regional development...

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This is going to be one of THESES threads.
Guess you'll have your fun this time bulgar.
Can't wait for strikes and riots because of taxes.

What he said. J

While certainly well-intended, the efforts of the rurals didn't produce quite the results they had hoped for. Corruption, inefficiency, mismanagement - there have been many problems encountered as tax avoidance has increased along with other instances of crime throughout the republic. Some investments have made their way to rural regions in Aymsland, still, but the public has been generally unhappy with the current government's decisions - the massive military spending, the banning of tobacco and now the Rural Development Act of 1189.
The Southsea Coalition in particular has been angry at the Establishment.

>Population:173 000 000 (78% white, 15 % chink,2%hibibi, 3% darkskin,2% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 27 600 000 Eyerdar 15 300 000 Veita 15 300 000 Ocras

>Economy:7//10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability:6/10


>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws

>L.Government and laws
Nothing some propaganda and more administrative work can't fix.

Ah for fucks sake, we got a case of the mob.
>K.Diplomacy and war
Lets fix this shit. Calm everything down, maybe more entertainment?

>L.Government and laws
Lets try to fix the problems with corruption, inefficiency and mismanagement.

L it is.
There's six major political parties in the Council.
Conservatives are split between Traditionalists(who value religion, traditional 4values etc.), Urbans(government-involved industrial development), Rurals(government-involved rural development). Liberals are divided into social(expansion of personal and political freedoms), market(proponents of less government involvement in the market) and there's the Southsea Coalition, representing the interest of the southern colonies, who generally align themselves with the liberals.
There's elections every two years, alternating between Upper(Council and President) and Lower(Congress and Chancellor) with four year mandates for every official. Conservatives hold a majority in both Houses as well as the Chancellor and President positions. In recent years traditionalists have pushed for the ban on tobacco and drugs, urbans(connected to the powerful military-industrial complex) have supported an increase in the military's size and expenditure and rurals have most recently passed the Rural Development Act, which has been poorly recieved by most.
The ruling government's popularity has plumetted in the last three years, in the upcoming elections for Council and President the liberals have a great opportunity to gain traction.
We, the Elites of this country, must make a choice on how we shall influence the upcoming election season.
Choose as many as you want.
A.Shift blame on rurals
B.Shift blame on urbans
C.Shift blame on traditionalists
D.Get more influence among the market liberals - we'd have to go with less direct involvement with the economy, letting the free market take its course
E.Get more influence among social liberals - social and political reforms, limiting government power and the cumbersome bureaucracy in general
F.Get more influence among the Southsea Coalition - possibly moving towards federalisation and more Regional Rights

>F.Get more influence among the Southsea Coalition - possibly moving towards federalisation and more Regional Rights

>F.Get more influence among the Southsea Coalition - possibly moving towards federalisation and more Regional Rights

>F.Get more influence among the Southsea Coalition - possibly moving towards federalisation and more Regional Rights
i'm not sure about F i don't want to have tea party situation but i guess all we can do is hope they'll be happier if they elect a local governor to oversee more local problems...
Also obligatory flag.

F.

>F.Get more influence among the Southsea Coalition - possibly moving towards federalisation and more Regional Rights

It seems we'll be working together with the SSC, but how far are we willing to let them go?
As many as you want.
A.Less taxes and government spending
B.Regional governments with their own legislature, gradual reformation into a federation
C.Autonomous Ocras, Veita and South Eyerdar
D.End government economic monopolies(Railroads, Telegraphs, a couple of other minor ones)
E.Other ideas - be creative!

>E.Other ideas - be creative!
Decentralization of administration

thinking a bit about how it can and must be administrated i'm thinking about the government giving plans periodically (like the 5 year plans) and then the local authorities must handles the issue and the agencies that aren't affiliated with the local government verify if the instruction were handled in the interest of the nation.
We could divide on multiple level kindda like modern France (Area>Region>Department>Town administration)
Where the government make decision on the scale of Areas.
Then the other institutions implement them following regulations given by the government.

>A.Less taxes and government spending
>B.Regional governments with their own legislature, gradual reformation into a federation
Some noticable changes but nothing revolutionary. We're taking it slow and steady.

I'll give a few exemples
law and law enforcement:
>The Gov makes the law
>The Region handle who is a judge and who is a lawyer
>The Department handle law enforcement
>The Town handle building permits for Jails,Police stations and other local infrastructure that are needed.

I'll give another example:
Education
>the Gov handle standards and mandatory knowledge and diploma's tests
>The Regions handle faculties and college
>The Department handle High School and early education
>The Town handle services such has transport for students

Yeah let's try this.

B.

The emphasis here is that while states are free to implement things under the standards that the law sets.
Meaning the region and department have no legislative power whatsoever.
Meaning the law is standardized and they get the freedom of administration we give them but they're still free to have local representatives and a good amount of executive power (that we regulate).

Major state reforms! We've decentralized our administration.
The Capital Administration in Centerhold holds all legislative power, determined by Congressional Representatives(determined by districts based on populatioln) and Councilors(two from every Region). The Head of State - our President - can be elected for a five-year mandate through direct elections.Regions have junior and senior Councilors with four year mandates and alterating elections every two years. Elections for congressional representatives are also held the same way in their respective districts.
The Chancellor serves as head of government and is elected on a four year mandate.
The nation is divided into eight Areas - 4 in Aymsland, 2 in Eyerdar, 1 for Ocras and 1 for Veita. Each Area is assigned a Governor-General by the Chancellor.
Areas are split into Regions, which are also divided into Territories(which hold one or more congressional electoral districts).
Chain of command and balance is provided - every district and region has representatives in the central government, the two heads are directly chosen, the central government appoints Governor-Generals in each Area who then make sure the directives of the government are being followed in each Region(with its respective regional governor, locally elected, below him are various mayors).
Simple enough.

>Population:173 000 000 (78% white, 15 % chink,2%hibibi, 3% darkskin,2% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 27 600 000 Eyerdar 15 300 000 Veita 15 300 000 Ocras

>Economy:7//10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability:7/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws

Are the mobs still a problem?

>C.Improve religion/culture

C

A explore what's left

>C.Improve religion/culture
I'm here
And ready to roll

I am both horrified and overjoyed

C it is
What shall we go for?
A.Religious propaganda
B.Nationalistic propaganda
C.Major event/undertaking of some sort(sports, holidays etc.)
D.Construction of a new wonder
E.Hands-off approach
F.Other

C. Let's develop a national sport, encouraging physical betterment for all.

Let's hope no war breaks out, with no war no Inky rolls
Nothing can stop my rolls

C People love sports especially our new sport of stickball and our holiday of giftgiving day,

>D.Construction of a new wonder

>C.Major event/undertaking of some sort(sports, holidays etc.)
Workers day, a day celebrating the common man and his contribution to the world. Lets put a nationalist spin on it although. People can share food and stuff and have a big party with gift giving and such (celebrating the fruits of labour, it will also give us a christmas like event to get more profits out of.)

C

C. Make national and intercontinental sports leagues. Also make a day for fathers and mothers.

C

The Faith has had several holidays it celebrates and people in various regions also celebrate local tradiional holidays, but we've now also established several national holidays - Mother's Day, Father's Day, the Faith's largest holiday, Oofnarrag(celebrated at Winter Solstice), Worker's Day, Day of the Armed Forces(same day as Atanius' birthday).
Sports are becoming more popular and widespread - there's martial sports(We've reopened the Grand Tournament in Southport), Ball games, athletic and non-athletic disciplines. We've set rules for the establishment of sport clubs and have worked together with the KE and SA to set the grounds for international competitions.
Various inventions in recent years:vinyl discs, the first colour film, first helicopter flight, demonstration of nuclear fission of uranium.

>Population:175 000 000 (78% white, 15 % chink,2%hibibi, 3% darkskin,2% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 27 800 000 Eyerdar 15 400 000 Veita 15 400 000 Ocras

>Economy:7//10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability:8/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws

how advanced are we

>F.Improve Military
Let's make some nukes

Circa 1937

>G.Research science
We're gonna be first on the moon.

F

>G.Research science

>G.Research science

Our main objective should be to create a system of satellites to enable better communication. Maybe a manned station for science also.

Bulgar I change my vote fromTo G since we do need science to make some rockets

F

Science time
What area shall we direct more funds towards? Science progresses naturally on its own, but we can give it an extra push.
Pick two.
A.Rocketry research
B.Nuclear research
C.Chemistry & Medicine
D.Military technology
E.Naval technoloy
F.Transportation(land,sea and air)
G.Sciences in general

Not to mention we would need good computers for guidance systems / ballistic calculations.

A.Rocketry research
G.Sciences in general

A and G

Since their no area for computers my G will be for science in computer
>A.Rocketry research
>G.Sciences in general

>A.Rocketry research
>G.Sciences in general
That alien menace won't know what hit it.

We could always deliver them by plane.

A.
F.

Rolled 69 (1d100)

Man looks to the stars...
A & G roll for extra effect(low result won't be anything bad)

True but planes are easier to intercept also is it wrong i want us to make computers really cheap far earlier than real life. Just so we can get a terrible version of the internet?

Speaking of which, how are our computers looking?

>69
That a good roll

It is above the average, so yes, it is a good roll.

>Rolled 69 (1d100)
>Man looks to the stars...
What a perfect roll.
>so we can get a terrible version of the internet
A noble aspiration.

>A terrible version of the internet
But more years for memes to advance
More time for meme magic to grow

>69
Penis shaped rockets
>how are our computers looking?
Not even at Eniac's level but could reach it

Further ballistic flight tests have been made as larger rockets than before are propelled, while the first jet engines for airplanes are being designed and tested - this is rocket science, so progress will take years.
Mathematicians and electrical engineers are making progress on projects of the creation of computation machines.
Astrophysics has progressed and now top government officials have been given a secret report by the National Academy of Sciences.

Our planet is in fact one of two natural satellites in orbit of a larger planet, a gas giant. We believe that life as we know it on our planet is in fact not native to it, but that millions of years ago a previous generation of life existed, which has been the source of all our fossil fuels. What these scientists believe is that humans transformed this planet into the biomes it has today at some point around 1500 years ago. Scientists do not all agree on this, but this hypothesis has been submitted to the government.
In otherr news, we've seen some economic improvements in the last two years. It is now 1191 AE.

>Population:175 000 000 (78% white, 15 % chink,2%hibibi, 3% darkskin,2% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 27 800 000 Eyerdar 15 400 000 Veita 15 400 000 Ocras

>Economy:8//10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability:8/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws

>G.Research science
we need more Intel theses theories are precious Intelligence for us to know what is our homeland.
If the second satellite is habitable we MUST GO THERE.
This is HUGE

>G.Research science
Space, here we come.

>G.Research science
Time to send a dog into space

We need to explore these theories more
>G Science

H

G. Need more space and astronomy.

>E.Construction

In light of this theory, and our advancing knowledge of rocketry, I suggest the construction of a large, advanced and secure institute high in the southern mountains of aymsland, near Cloudgazer.

The immediate goal of this facility is to allow us to test, research and create advanced rockets and spacecraft in a private location.

The long term goal of the facility is to find out where our people are from, why we are here and to research into our history, pre-collapse.

>F

We have to do a few things before:
>get metal that can transmit data into space
>get frogs into space
>get dog into space
>get monkey/darkskin into space
>get our bravest and most good looking Ace into space

But yeah let's focus on satellites to analyze space first then the gas giant with maybe an impactor or an obiter then the second moon with a lander preferably.

>Yeah it's going to take a few turns and some good rolls of science to get into space.

But your list is pretty good, if nothing bad happens, then we could send a satellite into space in this thread.

Rolled 41, 70 = 111 (2d100)

We've established the Space Exploration Program, based in Cloudgazer. The long-term goals of this Program wil be to work with the Ballistics research institutes to launch a rocket into space, animals, manned flight and eventually artificial satellites and so on.
This effort WILL take many years.
1 internal and 1 external political development incoming

God dammit all, our people are some of the most fickle in the universe regarding politics!

Could be better, but at least the rest of world doesn't need our help.

The good thing is that it will at least let us research other thing in the pursuit of space, things like MRI, radioisotope thermoelectric generator and other nuclear tech.
If we're not the first to get the nuclear weapon we're at least assured that we're the first that can make it strike down anywhere on this planet.
>70
at least KE didn't get the nuclear weapon or their own space program had a crash recently.
>41
minor internal developments are better than major terrible ones, at least the south didn't fully revolt.

Taxes and spending are both high and many people are unhappy, crime hasn't decreased by all that much either as a major black market for tobacco and opium has emerged.
On the plus side, the first international sports tournaments have been a great success for our national team! The Kaichou have also been making major scientific progress into nuclear, ballistic and computing technology, having caught on to us in theoretical fields. At large, the world is at peace.

>Population:177 000 000 (78% white, 15 % chink,2%hibibi, 3% darkskin,2% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 28 000 000 Eyerdar 15 500 000 Veita 15 500 000 Ocras

>Economy:7//10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability:7/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws

I'm going to say its the south sea territories are getting pissed

L

>C.Improve religion/culture
Anti-drug culture/propaganda.
>a major black market for tobacco and opium has emerged.
but I must space race, WHY.

>L.Government and laws
Guess we need to fix our shit before we can go out seeking aliens to conquer.

>C.Improve religion/culture

After this, we deal with the economy then more science!

>C.Improve religion/culture
People getting high at the worst time, get high in space not on the ground.

What's the budget like because if there's a bit too much funding for one area we can relocate money and manpower to crime fighting

>L

L.

Let's combine C & L since it's all to the same goal, fighting crime
The general economic climate has improved, but the budget is in a deficit at present with large amounts of fund having been directed to scientific development, while tax revenue hasn't been increasing despite general economic growth.
What shall we do? Multiple choices permitted.
A.Religious propaganda
B.Cultural propaganda
C.More funds for law enforcement
D.Establish a new division of internal security services(we only have the Njordgales right now)
E.Lower taxes and spending, people would rather have money for themselves
F.Social/political reforms(further options)

D

B. The peoples taxes are going to space colonization.

>B.Cultural propaganda
make it about space as well
>C.More funds for law enforcement
>D.Establish a new division of internal security services
All those investment will pay for themselves, a safe citizen is a productive citizen
>if there's a bit too much funding for one area we can relocate money and manpower to crime fighting
But muh space.
Technology is n1 concern but so is our people's sanity...
Why high INT always come with low SAN?
Welp culture.