Do you think Warhammer Total War is going to revive interest in regular Warhammer Fantasy?
Also(and if so), don't you think its going to be confusing to newcomers, who decide that they want to start the table top, and instead of finding Warhammer Fanntasy, they instead find generic space fantasy knight shit rather then the History inspired Empires of the Old World
Nice oversight on Geedubya there
No, it won't restore it.
GW has decided to shit on your fat neckbeard feelings and aim for the dosh of young teens and their unwitting parents.
All the young teens I know are far more interested in 40k
Not sure why GW thought the he-man aesthetic would appeal to...any demographic.
nah it won't help the tabletop game at all. it will just create an interest in warhammer themed video games.
>All the young teens I know are far more interested in 40k
Which is why they turned fantasy into AoS, which is not!40k
videogame developments starts years before the game is made.
Total war was beign developded far before Aos, and GW when sold the license obviously didn't told them they were going to nuke the setting.
Do we really need 2 threads of this exact same question?
The problem with whfb is cost of entry, both in time and money.
A couple of editions ago, a 16 model unit was a big unit. Now 40 models is not uncommon. And that is just one unit.
This. As much as I love WHFB, the cost of entry was a huge pain to convert new players. I have friends who love the setting, but don't want to spend so much on an army and rather play something skirmish based.
mate, I fucking love He-man
16 Models was your regular block you didn't just buy as speedbump or redirector, but your point still very much stands.
6th Edition was the High Point for Newhammer. Any rework or fan edition should have started there, not the shitshow of 8th.
Guess GW and Creative assembly didnt co-ordinate their shills very well
>I don't say 'shill' as a cheap insult, I actually believe companies care enough about this website to try and win people over here.
Warhammer Fantasy died when they decided to publish that... aborted monstrosity.
The game looks pretty dope though. Hopefully it is not another Rome Total War 2 debacle.
>People don't realize that this is a long term plot to re launch Fantasy
>that... aborted monstrosity.
8th?
GW has opened today a section for its site dedicated to the miniatures that also appear as units and characters in total war
...a few weeks later having killed bretonnia, grimgor, thorgrim, ungrimm, gelt and other units.
This. Also 8th edition made the people who like movement-based play get the fuck out. In the end WHFB was nothing more than an excuse to put minis in the centre of the table and roll dice until they were all ground down.
Same with every tabletop game?
What do you expect from a wargame exactly?
>Same with every tabletop game?
Movement, lethality and non-random charge distance ?
The only thing keeping interest in Warhammer alive is 9th Age.
Age of Sigmar was a complete failure, in PR and quality.
I'll give you random charge, but unless you were a shit player playing with shit players movement was very important. Not sure what you mean by lethality.
Also, compare it to the alternative. Age is JUST a clusterfuck in the middle or scenario shit.
And then you have the abort of the aborted abomination. I can think of only three good minis (the little gryphon, one of the slaughter priest and the orc chaman, and even then they are over priced) but god damn the game is a mess. And about the quality... Mang that was harsh, shit fluff, art and aesthethics, fucking nothing works. But it seems some people are eating it up, so some hidden thing I can't see lures them.
Age isn't the alternative to WHFB tough, it barely compute as a game. The alternatives are 9th age or local not whfb, KoW or Lion Rampant if you like generic like ones.
>Not sure what you mean by lethality.
In 8th edition, since most units were steadfast and flanking was a strategy that was costly for no real reward (random charge distance helped that), combat between units lasted turns upon turns. Compared to 6th edition or other rulesets like KoW, it was boring as shit.
LAST HOURS UNTIL LAUNCH, ARE U READY FAGGOT?
> Drop Warhams
> Make Age of Shit
> Make tight-ass vidya
> Increaslingly shit editions of AoS
> DLC/Sequils to TW:W & Other vidya
> Re-Launch "Warhammer Fantasy," in 4-6 years when hype is at maximum
Of course, knowing GW, they'll wait 1 year too long and hype will already be dying back down
Someone got the lord celestant rules for silver tower?
I bought him on the app but he wont unlock
6th was good, 8th was a shitshow
>But it seems some people are eating it up, so some hidden thing I can't see lures them.
It's fun and I can convince normie friends to buy a box and a general and do escalation league. The new CEO is actually doing good stuff. The shitshow that was the AoS launch was Kirby, new guy has so far - added awesome models, added discounted boxes, added points, listened to the community, opened FB page... It's getting better.
I haven't seen any awesome models other than the Goblin scuttlers.
Unless you mean 40k.
The GW website is advertising Total War: Warhammer miniatures.
They also have a new CEO who has relaunched specialist games, starting with Warhammer Quest.
If they truly want to revive Warhammer Fantasy while saving face, they would just have to reduce AoS to specialist game status then act as if it never happened.
I don't see the awesome models myself, cad stuff and over designed than doesn't seem to have much soul in it, but that's my opinion. The facebook thing and discounts are a good thing, at least Gw is doing some basic stuff in the internet age, but they also have eliminated entire ranges of stuff than was beloved for lots of people, and the minis we are getting are honestly not that hot for plastic and over priced. Plus the setting is a train wreck and the quality issues are very glaring ( I will not post the green map but you know the one). GW had to re make fantasy, it has so much shit than was dragin it since the first editions were it was a pseudo rpg game, but the result is very lacking for what I seen. A revival of mordheim and streamlined rules would have been the smart move, keeping with the times plus saving the setting, not that.
Plus for starting newbies I don't see AoS as a good option, until the points you will not have a way to make balanced games with ease, scenarios are one trick pony for what I remember plus you don't have narrative helping like improvign game to game the units and that stuff. For that I would use other skimish games, like Song of blades and heroes, than is simple but with well tought rules than aren't easy to break, plus not tied to a setting so you can make your own stuff as crazy or fluffy as you want. Only my rant.
Almost all the young tabletop players I see think AoS
is full of shit and are much more interested in 40k as a result
>The GW website is advertising Total War: Warhammer miniatures.
Nine miniatures, the most expensive for their factions plus Mannfred and Kemmler under the wrong names. With one sold out.
Brilliant.
The young teens are going for X-wing or directly over videogames. WHFB was made thanks to the word of mouth and when you caught sight of those big battles between two enthusiastic dudes in the flgs.
Plus it seems like it only does well in some places,Living in Spain I didn't see any AoS game in an eternity, while other games are flourishing. In a way we are living in a golden age of wargames with awesome minis from even the tiniest studio like Kingdom death, GW was the Big fish but lately it only seems like a reference to how don't do things.
We know X-Wing is top dog in North America sales.
Although they are going to start hitting the ceiling on expansions soon. They're running out of ships in the continuity with artwork, unless they do some like the Lady Luck by guessing at visuals or making more old flight sim ships from bad polygons to sculpt.
There entire movies (and the entire Clone wars) without having to resort to that.
>they also have eliminated entire ranges of stuff than was beloved for lots of people
I don't get the Tomb King stuff, but Bretonnia hasn't had love for over a decade, and evidently no one bought the boxes for them.
>the minis we are getting are honestly not that hot for plastic and over priced.
The Maw-Crusha is amazing imo, as are the Tzaangors in the new box but to each their own.
>Plus the setting is a train wreck
It's getting better as well, there's some actual interesting lore coming out now, but yeah it's a bit shit.
>GW had to re make fantasy, it has so much shit than was dragin it since the first editions were it was a pseudo rpg game,
Yeah agree
>Plus for starting newbies I don't see AoS as a good option, until the points you will not have a way to make balanced games with ease, scenarios are one trick pony for what I remember plus you don't have narrative helping like improvign game to game the units and that stuff. For that I would use other skimish games, like Song of blades and heroes, than is simple but with well tought rules than aren't easy to break, plus not tied to a setting so you can make your own stuff as crazy or fluffy as you want. Only my rant.
I agree but it's better than WHFB 8th for newbies, and if they wanna play Warhammer then other games are out of the question. Points and narrative gaming are coming this summer, so hopefullu that will make it playable rather than just kinda fun.
They have every ship from the non-Clone Wars era primary continuity, aside from like three or four pirate ships.
Or Kylo's shuttle, but that thing sucked.
Email gw customer services
hello yes I recently played your new game
and was told it is built on a miniature gaming system
I think I badly painted some when I was 12
anyway I cant seam to find any of these figures from the game on your website
You'd get back an ad for Age and a link to the $1000+ bundles.
so I have until 9am to decide but I dont think I can make my mind up by then
even if I sleep on it
what faction do I play 1st
thinking chaos or skeles
I can only give you my personal feelings on the matter. Only you know what is best for you.
"Chaos a shit, spine is fine."
>Maw crusha.
The cabagge dragon? I dunno, it seems a tigrex and lettuce hibrid to me, with a love for sweets. Plus I can get cooler dragon for a fraction of the price from reaper. About the setting I didn't see anything than seemed interesting, Old Wh had some amazing setting inspired in the Renaissence HRE and pop stuff, from classical vampires to aztec lizards, and had lots of historical look alike units or parts of the fluff than were great to spark interest in historical nerds like me. Plus some awesome fluff bits than were funny and had a very light hearted athmosphere (like Skarnic or what was his name,the fat goblin than wrecked the empire that one time and even reached ulthuan). Meanwhile the fluff of AoS than I read was try hard, like the later 40k stuff. At least in wh40k you have the amazing forge world books with quality everywhere with lots of trivia and attention to the detail about weapons and that stuff, like the Horus heresy books for example. I don't see the same soul in AoS.
Also saying than AoS is better for newbies, yeah, I agree, but Mordheim would be a better start than either too, even with his little faults if you don't want to abandon GW. Outside him you have loads of them, and a good chunck better for hooking your friends (frostgrave if he likes mages).
*Better than WHFB 8th edition.
Heck, that part was important.
Yeah, they are apparentlyt going to re-release Mordheim so I'm looking forward to that.
That's what I've been saying. Which is why it boggles my mind that most fan projects for a 9th Edition upgrade pick 8th as base and not the actual base game, 6th.
Sorry I was agreeing with you, replied to wrong person. 8th edition was needlessly complicated and OP seplls
For $50 less than the Ork Protodrake, you can have MA'AL DRAKAR, DRAGON TYRANT!
The size of a human torso.
Skellingtons have amazing possibilities for themed armies AND you have several manufacturers that produce great miniatures for them at dumping prices.
Skeletons all day, erry day
Depending of the minis, it could be goods news, tough I doubt I would play it, GW doesn't know how to make games anymore.
For narratives games SoBaH is my preffered, has plenty of options, shame isn't very popular in this board.
Dang, not bad. Not as awesome as other but at least the price is fucking good.
They are not going to release Mordheim. The setting and city is gone and they'd be creating a direct competitor for AoS. That would be completely insane, even by GW standards.
>Emperor Karl Franz which is on all their promotional material is now "free guild general"
Oh lordy
Honestly, Reaper is my favorite company.
I hope I can customize my army and units in game
>They are not going to release Mordheim. The setting and city is gone and they'd be creating a direct competitor for AoS. That would be completely insane, even by GW standards.
They're releasing more specialist games, I think morheimer and blood bowl are confirmed. The idea is they come with miniatures which have warscrolls you can use in AoS, so they're selling models and alternative games, much like Silver Tower.
Necromunda AKA Mordheim in spaaaaaaaaaace is confirmed.
Mordheim is rumored.
If only they could have cared half of this with WHFB, but nope, AoS stuff, fucking dammit.
For cheap monster they are very good, Mierce could have better models (far expensive too) but the reapers ones are awesome.
My prefered company is momminiaturas tough, dem price, dat quality.
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>If only they could have cared half of this with WHFB, but nope, AoS stuff, fucking dammit.
Blame Kirby. Not even kidding. The new CEO is desperately trying to fix Kirbys stupid ass decisions (and yes that includes AoS).
Yeah, they have good stuff.
Might be because I had a huge boner for Greek and Egyptian mythology as a kid, but I love Crocodile Miniatures. Not just for the catgirls, I swear.
I just want the old setting back and alive again.
I refuse to touch Age or any new models because of that absolute garbage lore.
It makes Uwe Boll movies look good.
Age of Sigmar is here to stay. Your shitty Tolkien ripoff is dead and rightfully so.
Too late for me, GW doesn't have anyone from the good days, even if the CEO was rick priestley himself I would be wary because they don't fucking hesitate to kill entire ranges for they shareholders. Why I would invest the stupid amount of money you need for something than could be unsuported in a few years with luck?
Amen.
There is so much whining that I can take. I knew that the Total War game will flare them up but I was not prepared for it.
>Is here to stay.
I wouldn't be sure, unless is doing as well as 40k.
It's doing better than WHFB was, also they wouldn't can something after a year. It would be at least 2-3 before they decide.
From were do you that, also the source count last time buys from the brets and tombs and all the rest of the old stock of wh as a source for the numbers?
Who is this semen demon?
Cang the Implacable, 10th Anniversary Dragon from Cool minis or not. 300 dollars for the legal one.
Slav! You learned to write English!
Good on you. Now fuck off.
As opposed to the DC Comics ripoff of a Tolkien ripoff?
Can you imagine being a drunken Slavic subhuman who hates Warhams so much you sit in a chair shitposting about it all day?
Isn't saying "drunk Slav" redundant? Like American fat or Spanish sheepfucker.
Spanish sheepfuckers? That's new, lazy yeah, moors too, but sheepfuckers?
Spaniards and the red-haired bottom bitches of the Brits generally get the sheepfucker insult, although to be fair any European can call any other country in the Euro zone that.
I though the Welsh were the sheepfuckers? Whilst Arabs lust for the fine behind of a goat.
I wasn't aware Spaniards were in on it.
>Thinking I am the fucking Slav
I am offended beyond belief.
You were seperated at birth.
Your mother and I wanted to tell you all these years.
not yet, tw never had a army painter and it won't get one now. They said that MAYBE on the future if it is really asked for
>they instead find generic space fantasy knight shit rather then the History inspired Empires of the Old World
Listen, I liked WHF too, but let's not pretend it wasn't one of the most generic settings in fantasy history.
Name a similar setting?
It's generic because it helped establish what "generic" meant.
Green Orcs would not be a thing if it weren't for Warhammer.
>inb4 Age of Smegma : The Movie realized by Uwe Boll
Realistically, only the inhabitants of the British isles and their colonial brethen are fucking enough sheeps to deserve this title.
Warcraft helped define green orcs, not some minor tabletop game.
spotted the millennial
Rly?, tell me then why green orcs existed in the '83 edition of Warhammer Fantasy. Remember Warcraft was originally a Warhammer game. Never forget this. Blizzard lives off GW rep
Orcs in Tolkien were green already, with sallow skins, but other tones like brown, yellow or even pink existed. So no, GW didn't invent green orcs. Also GW has ride other fantasy or sci fi lead for years, from Tolkien or Moorcock to Dune and Heinlein.
hey guys? Will the game increase activity for the tabletop game? I always wanted to play this but everyone always played 40k or lord of the rings.
I know this is bait but warcraft was originally going to be a warhammer rts. but negotiations fell through.
1994 blizzard was a smaller company then 1994 GW, don't be blinded by modern scale.
Yes I know, But Tolkien (As great as he was) did pinch a lot from norse and germanic mythology, but hey what they say is 'the best artists steal'
They changed enough that it was its own thing personally I like the Warcraft orcs where they are clans and you got power hungry orcs like Garrosh, Guldan, Grom, then you got the peaceful Orcs like Durotan, Thrall, Orgrim.
WH fantasy is too much like Lord of the Rings imo which is why it failed and warcraft took its place. Warcraft created its own high fantasy genre.
WH fantasy isn't anything like Lord of the Rings. You don't sound familiar with either.
Doesn't sound like Warmachine, Hordes, Infinity, or Malifaux to me.
>scenarios are one trick pony
Seems to have worked out well for LotR
>Plus some awesome fluff bits than were funny and had a very light hearted athmosphere (like Skarnic or what was his name,the fat goblin than wrecked the empire that one time and even reached ulthuan). Meanwhile the fluff of AoS than I read was try hard, like the later 40k stuff.
There are funny bits in AoS too, if Fantasy has more it's simply because it was around longer.
>At least in wh40k you have the amazing forge world books with quality everywhere with lots of trivia and attention to the detail about weapons and that stuff, like the Horus heresy books for example. I don't see the same soul in AoS.
FW generally blows GW stuff out of the water so I'm not sure why you're trying to compare the two.
In general I can only assume that it might convince some to dig their forces out for a game or two.
But overall, not really measurably. I don't think that there is gonna be anywhere near as much overlap between tabletop and PC play for this as there was between Dawn of War and tabletop back in its day.
I'd like it to be otherwise but I honestly can't think of a single oldskool (or at least, pre-8th edition) WHFB player I know that's also invested in PC gaming beyond playing stuff like world of tanks here and there. Largely because the age range on that 20+ people is in the 30s and 40s, lacking the time to do wargaming and PC core gaming.
Mind you these people were part of that surprisingly large but forgotten chunk of the player base who gave up during 8th edition, long before AoS came along to really seal the deal.
if you're under thirty six, you're a millennial