Pathfinder General /pfg/

I think I've got the dumb, /pfg/. I just can't seem to get the hang of bookkeeping for Clerics.

Should I fill all of my spell slots or leave a few open and pray through the day?

>my sorcerer getting simulacrum at level 14 totally doesn't destory every possible campaign.
I mean sure, you could pick a weaker spell list, but when the only thing keeping the game together is a gentelments agreement to pretend that simulacrum doesn't exist it isn't "balance".

Post your build? I can probably help.

Don't address it.

Alchemist also has simulacrum while being T3.
Whether you take simulacrum or not is the same as Leadership and depends on whether you're a dick.

Alright /pfg/. Since OP failed to start off with a discussion question, here is is.

Talk about your experiences in Binding and Summoning Outsiders and other apparitions

dangit OP, this was going to be my OP pic.

Unlike Wizards, Clerics do not have the ability to prepare slots later in the day. You choose one time of day (dusk or dawn), and that is when you prepare your spells. If you don't prepare all of them at that time, you have to wait until the next day to get another chance.

>whether you're a dick.
That is exactly my point. If the game only functions when everyone plays nice then it's not balanced. You could play a level 20 all wizard game if everyone wasn't a dick.

Depends on what you want it to do. Eidolons and Summoners have a highly varied kit suitable for many options and design choices. Start with a basic concept, then build for it and optimize as you go.

What did you have in mind

100% wrong
d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-Preparing-Divine-Spells

>The time required to prepare spells is the same as it is for a wizard (1 hour), as is the requirement for a relatively peaceful environment. When preparing spells for the day, a divine spellcaster can leave some of her spell slots open. Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes. During these extra sessions of preparation, she can fill these unused spell slots. She cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because she has cast a spell in the meantime. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if she prepares more than one-quarter of his spells.

What are some fun gestalt combos? Paizo only.

Bard/Paladin is pretty fun, as is Rogue/Magus, I'd say.

>bard/paladin
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Witch/Ranger

But what do you want your summoner to do? Do you want to have a personal bruiser with monster summing and buffing as a backup? Do you want to be a tag-team duo? Do you just want to vomit summons at the problem and hope it goes away? Do you want to BE the one our there ripping and tearing?

If you ask me, there's only three flavors of summoner: Normal, Synthesist, and Master.

Sauce plz.

>fun gestalt combos

Any Int-based class mixed with Promethean/Preservationist Alchemist

Alright, so which would work out better for me, as a Shonen Anime Punch Man:

I know I'm going to be maining Fool's Errand and Elemental Flux as my primary disciplines for this guy. Strength is going to be his primary attack stat, and he's multiclassing Bloodrager/Aurora Soul, taking Razor Wit to go into Daring Hero. Level cap is 10.

The question is, do I go Bloodrager 4/Mystic 1, Bloodrager 3/Mystic 2, Bloodrager 2/Mystic 3, or Bloodrager 1/Mystic 4. And which bloodline would be better while remaining thematically aligned with fire - Fire Elemental Bloodline, or Gold Dragon Bloodline?

>tfw you will never encounter Shizuru in wolf form

JUST

Is trying to do Good but failing via incompetence a Neutral act or an Evil one?

>alignment

user, don't try to make sense of it.

Since, as we all know due to casting Evil spells being an Evil act, no matter what we do with them, it's the MEANS that matter, not the ENDS, it is in fact a Good act.

Well, what am I supposed to do, ignore it even though a huge chunk of the game's mechanics interact with it, including class features for several classes?

It may be dumb, but it's hardcoded into the system and my group won't play anything else because they can't agree on anything else.

One likes GURPS, two others hate it. I suggested FATE once, nothing happened. We've tried looking at WHFRPG only for one guy to walk out right there. The list goes on.

Pathfinder is the only thing EVERYONE is willing to play.

Success or the lack of do not make a difference when it comes assigning morality to actions.

"Shuguticons!"
"Die Elsebots!"
youtube.com/watch?v=ewO1pC5JQdc

Paladin/Oracle

Why are you still alive?

The mango is called Monster Collection, its a fun little fantasy romp for people looking for something simple and fun. Plus the Mentor figure who guides the party is bretty cool since he's essentially an old Adventurer who's doing a favor for his former bro (the protag's teacher)

Pic related, the old lizard at his finest

Yes, actually. Ignore alignment except when people have abilities that care about it, since the label of "good act" or "evil act" is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the roleplay of your characters.

Just like paladins have "Smite Person I Don't Like" and be done with it.

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I was thinking something like buffer in back and a souped-up animal companion in front. Is going the weapon wielder route decent or does that get complicated with item slots?

Go read the Lo5R core book, the sections on honor and prestige. Treat part of it like that.

There is one thing that had come to my attention lately since I open my game for applications in Roll20. Most of the players that are millennials did had shown to not consume sword and sorcery literature not any other media except video games or the occasional flavor of the month. How come someone be interested into a sword and sorcery themed game if had a very poor exposition to the stories that constitute the genre?

Because the thematics are cool and their understanding of the genre leads them to be interested?

We need a Boigah edit of that pic

The op is Kyokaisen-jo no Horaizon (Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere).

So... anyone?

Gold Dragon, then the Dragon Style

Be the Fist of the Dragon!

It's a Dumb act. If your intention was Good, and you did not go about it in an ungood manner, you're still a good guy.

Because RPGs aren't about that anymore. They're about empowering minorities and exploring social themes. Come on.

It's 2016.

I had some and I'm 23, of course I'm more of a urban fantasy guy myself. My first exposure to fantasy was actually playing D&D in third grade then getting and reading all the 3.0 and 3.5 books I could get my hands on until around 8th grade (when I just got the lot of them as a torrent). I've made a few RPG nerds since.

The most popular show on television right now is swords and sorcery, mate.

Go away Crystal. You'll never get your hairy mitts on my Changelings!

How best to give an animal companion survivability, as a noncaster? Have it take armour training and get it some barding, obviously, any other feats or magic items I should consider?

Assuming you're taking regular summoner, it's easy to just go through the spell list and grab the best buffs. Weapon use is kind of clunky and expensive depending on the route you take, but if you want to only use one kind of weapon, grabbing a proficiency feat might work. If you want them to just be able to grab any old thing and use it? The 4 evolution points probably won't dig too deep on anything but high-optimization, but it'll come online pretty damn late unless you're stuck playing unchained. The "easiest" route is to just go for the standard quadruped with lots of natural attacks+pounce+flight, then making it large/huge and adding whatever other spices you want. Basic, but effective.

If you're unchained, you could easily get away with both you and your eidolon going for archery depending on what level you start at, since the Azata typing plus serpentine form nets high dex + martial proficiency. It's gimmicky, feat-intensive for you and your eidolon, and not making the best use of your features, but it can work. I know an user who picked Synthesist is doing something similar because they were stuck rolling stats and had like, 3 scores below 10.

Oracle/Barbarian can be silly, but not as silly as something like Skald/Warpriest

What's the full story here?

Crystal was trying to claim changelings have a much higher instance of transgenderism and it gives trans changelings a bonus against the Call to become a hag, because they would have to become women to become hags (no such thing as a trans hag, I guess.)

Anybody want to help me with character art? I'm not looking for a commission, just suggestions of anime characters to use an image of. Turns out I have no idea what to look for when I want a low str, high dex and con ethumion in a Jojo pose. Hell I have no idea what low str, high dex and con even looks like.

Please tell me they were joking or had literally nothing to do with the changeling creation process. Even for paizo that's insane.

It didn't have stuff to do with the changeling creation process. It was shit she wanted to shoehorn in after the fact.

But no its not a joke. She referenced it on her tumblr and the Paizo boards iirc.

Crystal Fraiser? You've never heard of her before? She and.. Jessica..something? Are the SJW cancer infesting Paizo.

She also made literal hormone treatments for transfolk. You know, in a world where gender-changing magic not only exists, but is affordable. That doesn't count, because then they wouldn't have MUH TRANS STRUGGLE!

I'm glad I haven't given them a cent then, that shits crazy. I'm actually ashamed that I'm going to be buying something for my next character since BSing it isn't worth it. I don't follow that drama at all, closest I get is you guys.

The first time I ever heard of Crystal, it was because she pulled an intended transman from Iron Gods, because making trans people villains was UNACCEPTABRU.

It made me want to show her just how villainous we can be

Jessica Price

But to be fair James Jacobs and Mark Moreland are quite bad in their own ways as well.

Let's be real here, they're all fucking terrible. JJ has his mind control fetish, there's whatever person behind the scenes keeps injecting rape and pregnancy into the setting and game, there's Price and Frasier with their cardboard cutouts and fake representation...

Like... Fuck. Of all the Paizo people (Seifter excepted), I like BULMAHN the most out of all of them. At least HIS magical realm is /magicians/.

>She also made literal hormone treatments for transfolk. You know, in a world where gender-changing magic not only exists, but is affordable. That doesn't count, because then they wouldn't have MUH TRANS STRUGGLE!
Explain further

>intended transman from Iron Gods
Explain.

Yeah. I can get having issues with a very high PERCENTAGE of villians being gay/trans but saying they can't be that at all is seriously worrying.

It's good that you spend time here instead of the official message boards.

I'm not sure if TRIGGEREDPOSTING is better or worse than arguments over climbing air...

We get it. When you don't pay your writers shit then you get shit writing.

So! Who here had themselves a fun session this weekend?

AND WHO HERE GOT CANCELLED YET AGAIN AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

JJ also is behind the errata's to Erastil and Bolka and the various statements about good alignment unanimously supporting homosexual marriage.

Moreland more sideline supports they anti-misogyny/anti-homophobia stances but is extreme in his animosity to tech advancement (ie. only advanced guns are in alkenstar because they go out and prevent other nations from advancing on their own a la area 51).

so...could someone highlight for me what she said that is the problem? Just seems like overly correct "lets not offend anyone" speech to me.

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His magical realm isn't that, it's beating up his childhood bullies with the power of his mind.

I'm guessing it's exactly what it sounds like. There are built in spells to do it and a quick google search lead me to this:
d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/elixir-of-sex-shifting

My group is on hiatus and I haven't played in ages. I'm considering just starting my own game for a bit.

eeeeeeeh

I am perfectly fine with the "errata" to the passage on erastil in Rivers Run Red. The core golarion books painted him as the family community man and a pretty neat god, while Rivers Run Red was... eh.

"Women who think destroy communities and should stay in the kitchen" is messed up. Various other gods' racism and genocides NOT being nongood is also messed up, but since Paizo seems to be trying really hard to not go for arbitrarily-everyone's-a-jerk planescape alignments, I can understand what they did.

This is mostly a personal preference, though. I really enjoy the "look I don't care how you do it or who with, settle down and make a family" Erastil. I don't enjoy the RRR version.

Remember when there was that big shitstorm over Erastil and /pfg/ was basically arguing against something that the pazio people weren't saying? That was an embarrassing shitstorm.

Was the Sorcerous Bloodline feat removed from PoW:E entirely, or is it going to be released in a different book?

Yea. We all agreed the RRR version was shit. I like the current Erastil.

The "errata" thing was entirely that, though. Clarifying that RRR Erastil is not a thing.

I hate JJ and Paizo's writing, but let's not misrepresent them when they did something decent for once.

My group hasn't started yet. I did get one of the other players built (then realized that I forgot the warder changes from expanded), got another (only one who can build on their own, he did break the 3.5 artificer after all) started on a zealot, and I started building again from scratch because DSP is awesome.

>look I don't care how you do it or who with, settle down and make a family
But that's offensive to single mother's, user. We can't propagate unfeminist thoughts like that!

I've only played vidya for it, and it's something I'm interested in.

Never really got into fantasy books.

My session is tonight! In, like, a very short time! We're waiting for one player to show up.

If she doesn't we're just going to run through the first session real quick, it's mostly fluff anyway. We'll all pretend she was here regardless.

I'm on your side here. I was here when the big shitstorm took place.

It always seems like there is some guy ready to freak out over "omg there is a gay character in the module" thing. Pazio has never been known for amazing writing, and the rage that comes from here seems to be disproportionate.

>JJ also is behind the errata's to Erastil
Hey, hey, hey, user, at least get it right.
Veeky Forums was outright wrong in that situation due to a misunderstanding and jumped to conclusions. You posting screams you heard about it secondhand.

In the Shardra iconic discussion she wrote up an alchemical option that basically amounts to hormone replacement therapy.

desu, most of the rage I've seen here directed at Frasier and Price is about how SHIT their writing is. It's one thing to write gay and trans characters for representation and the like.

It's another to make "they're gay/trans" the ENTIRETY of their characterization, relegating them to cardboard cutout status, then do shit like pulling trans villains because they're too scared to make a complex character.

Then they parade about with tumblr witch hunts and claim to be progressive, when no one asked for their representation, and most of the trans people I've talked to myself included are just tired of their shit.

And why do we care so much? I don't get it.

No one really cares about there being a gay character. That's more of a strawman image which has been made over misinterpretations.

Fuck this is Veeky Forums, we're terribly gay.

I admit, the JJ thing is second hand but the Mark Moreland remark comes from their stream.

There's a surprisingly disproportionate amount of trans people on /pfg/ and in the ttrpg community as a whole. The trans dwarf iconic basically gave them a middle finger by boiling down the entire character to their trans struggle, instead of making them have literally any other traits than "she's a transwoman dwarf".

ME! Our Paladin volunteered us for the gladiator fights, our gunslinger mouthed off to someone else and I accidentally gave someone a seizure. The gladiator fight basically ended up as splitting up into 3 pairs and kicking half-orcs while they were down. Almost literally in my case, since I'm a summoner with a reach/trip weapon and grease. My eidolon has nets too.

Basically this.

There's a shit ton of interesting political and social points you could make with trans-folk, even in a universe where magical body reconstruction exists.

Pathfinder uses none of them.

I like how the magic writers are handling these issues, namely that they aren't doing it to make waves (they are to expand their market via consumers talking about it though) but instead letting everybody else figure it out and just confirming or denying. It's a part of a character not their entire being and WotC doesn't give a shit if they're good or evil. I wish, if paizo insists on doing this, that they'd take a note from WotC and not try to shove it down people's throats by making one dimensional characters around the "issue".

We destroyed the lives of random cultists and got chased by an angry vrock! Yay!

Post more of this

>Well the idea is to set it in the here and now, but draw from multiple sources ranging from Supernatural, the Dresden Files, the Laundry Files, Night's Black Agents to name a few

In view, the players represent a counter-occult/counter-supernatural agency with directives to ensure the brutal put-down of any unsanctioned occult/paranormal/supernatural threat; they are wetworkers, troubleshooters and hazard specialists.
The masses must be kept ignorant

And thus these agents use the very tools that the general public have very little or no idea about; currency in the form of gold pieces exists to ensure the upgradibility of magic items and objects

Combat is meant to be brutal, so I may actually look at FantasyCraft for ideas

The players are supposed to be starting at 1st level, with all 1pp supplements and PoW and psionics available to them

Might as well through this up since it will appear that time.

It's utterly pointless to sort the iconics into their classes' actual tiers, they're not built even a remotely competent or consistent enough level to make it meaningful.