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Hmmm....

If they start to sell those generic desert(?) ones they have for their display models on their website, then I'd totally buy them.

Hmmm...

Seeing as I have no idea how DEldar play, I can't help you there. I know that they're on the lower part of the tier list, especially since jinking was nerfed in the FAQ, so I'd think maybe 'Nids or Guard?

Hope they make 25mm bases.

Tyranids fit the bill pretty well. Both are somewhat far down as far as far as tiers go, Flyrants and allies aside.

Dark Eldar will be able to bring a lot of their strengths to bear, since poison and cover will matter a fair bit more to Tyranids. However, they are also rather frail, which means Tyranids will be able to hit back hard.

Pretty much frail and fast with mass 4+ poison. I figure Tyranids would work since their monsterous creatures would have trouble but their inexpensive mass troops would make the Dark Eldar sweat.

Yeah, than go with what said.

Plus, I like 'Nid MCs.

Plan on maybe starting one once my love for the Guard wanes. Which will be never. Or when I get tired of repeatedly painting the individual guardsmen, then get tired of painting the individual nids, and so the cycle continues.

What points are you going to play them at?

I'm sure they've got more sizes and terrains planned.
this is probably just an initial test too see if people will buy it (at that price i reckon they will)

Take dual fusion
You'll never regret it

My only problem is this:
What am I supposed to do with the bases that come with my models? What about my models that I've already based?

I really like 1 Plasma Rifle, 1 Missile Pod, 1 Target Lock OR 1 Counterfire Defense System. Only time I don't use this is when I know I'll be fighting Space Marines.

don't the bases they come with. just rebase existing models, its usually pretty easy.

Question, how useful are LR Vanquishers?

With and without Tank Commanders and Pask.

make objective markers

How's this DE list? Playing a 3000pt 2v2 with Harlequins as my allies.

pastebin.com/ADT8Se8q

I mean, I know we'll probably lose, but how much of a chance do we stand?

for a combat patrol tourny i am gonna take eldar

i have 1 fire prism (because it looked cool)

i need 1 infantry unit and the rest can be unbound

whats the cheesiest shit i can get for 400 points total (so 275 with fire prism)

Oh yeah baby, thats the stuff. Wonder what the rules will be

AV10-11, 10 capacity per container, ammo dump rules or something like that?

Based GW.

Sorry.

Watch them be budget drop-pods

How to make 40k fun again?
Current edition makes me wanna puke

I'd be all over that shit, you could have a renegade marine chapter thats so poor it uses containers instead of drop pods.

homebrew, talk to locals more, play objectives, make terrain

>3000 pts
Why not just play epic?

Use 30k rules, play an older edition, play scenarios.

because dead game with unattractive tiny models.

It's 2 people splitting 3000pts, so roughly 1500 each.

You're taking a Str 5 AP 3 large blast, a Str 7 AP 2 small blast, and a Str 9 AP 1 lance in one package in a 400 point game and you want more?

Don't play against faggots
Don't spam/take the following:
Superheavies
D weapons
invisibility
Grav
Bikes
FMC

so another fire prism ?

I'm unsure how force organization works. Can I take a Deathwing Strike force, Ravenwing strike force, and a Combined Arms Detachment and still be considered Battleforged?

You can take any combination of formations and/or detachments in a battleforged list

Is ignores cover the most over powered mechanic in the game right now?

Thank you, based neckbeard.

I got news for you eldar fucc boi's - a Fire Prism is not a great unit in Combat Patrol or any other game for that matter.

Now, it is a cool model, so if that's what you like , can't stop you

Those are using technical paints

I have slain the sealclubbers
Beaten them from our FLGS
Champion of the casual players
Destroyer of tourney fags
Harasser of house rules
Scion of dumb tricks that work
Advocate of the balanced list
Librarium of the BRB
And much more, for I am clean shaven... A legend
I will not stand for your baseless claims

How could the gem paints work? I'm genuinely interested.

My bet is on a translucent paint that hardens, creating a semi-thick layer like gloss.

My apologies, friend.

another set of paints? either i'm missing something or my paint palate is limited.

Well, it's a single shot tonk that will miss half of the time with BS3 and also miss a bunch with BS4.

And even when you hit, and most realiably pen because of armourbane, you only really blow shit up on a 6. Which doesn't happen that often, so it kinda whiffs a lot and isn't as multipurpose as some of the other variants, like the LRBT - which is very mediocre, but I can hit whatever the fuck I want with it and not sweat about it.

How's this for my first list? I set it at 1,000 points so I'd know what I'd need to get before I buy anything else.

Battle-Forged IG CAD, 1K points.

-HQ
-Tank Commander, 30
+Leman Russ Vanquisher, 135
+Camo Netting, 15
+Hull Lascannon, 10
+Heavy Bolter Sponsons, 20
Total, 210
+2x Leman Russ Exterminator, 130 (260)
+Hull Lascannon, 10 (20)
+Multimelta Sponson, 20 (40)
-Total, 145 (290)
-Complete Total, 500

+Heavy Support
-Hydra Flak Tank, 65
+Camo Netting, 15
-Total, 80

-Troops
-6xVeteran Squad, 60 (360)
+Autocannon HWT, 10 (60)
Total, 70 (420)

++Complete Total, 1,000 points.++

Probably 1000-1500 points. I find anything more just has games go on too long and you still get to bring some fun units.

as long as every unit is part of a detatchment/formation then your army is battleforged.

Hey man, you pay 10 (or 20 in the case of the MM) for the pair of sponsons, not each.

In any case, think about the kinda target the Vanquisher will be aiming for (vehicles), and you'll see the heavy bolter sponsons don't match. Put some multimeltas in there.

His friends work well, it seems like you'll be split firing that squadron all the time to be able to hit similar targets, ya? I'd consider leaving the tank commander squad with only him and a mate and a separate tank on the heavy support. I know it seems like more guys with him makes him safer, but my experience is that the bigger a target the squadron is, the easier it is for people with haywire and grav to kill them all in a single salvo.

Also, might be a good investment to trade one of the veteran squads for the Forward Sentries upgrade on the other ones, for +1 cover save and Tripmines, which make your enemies' charge disordered, and give them a little extra time to hold the line since it seems they'll be around to hold objectives and be a nuisance.

Do you hate templates?

personally I'd just split off one of those exterminators too run on its own. You'll want your heavier firepower to be able to engage multiple targets without relying on passing a LD test.

yup, cause even if you pass the ld for split fire, 2 of your tanks will end up shooting at the same thing

Ah, I know it's for the pair, that's a typo, sorry!

I put the Heavy bolter sponsons on it because I thought it would be more helpful in case infantry or the like would come at it, easier to defend itself, but I see that it's probably a bad decision now, looking at it.

I'll make a revised list, and put one of the Exterminators in it's own Heavy support slot, thanks.

Giving the Vets Forward Sentries also sounds good to me, forgot about that actually!

Hmmm... Should I keep the Hydra, or no? If I get rid of it and one or two Vet squads, I could fit in more upgrades as well.

Nah, I just think that both the Vanquisher and Exterminator look awesome.

Got it.

Some of the people on here really are seal clubbers. But they bring their own kind of fun to the game.

I'm surprised it wasn't an Ultramarine in that picture.

keep the hydra, its common enough to start seeing flyers at 1k.

where do i fall on the scale if i play chaos daemons?

>Hurr GW ultramarine favortism

Go meme on dakka.

so what would be the stupidest thing you can take be ?

I never really used the hydra, but it's a tank completely devoted to AA, cause it snapfires when firing at the ground and stuff.

idk if at 1000 points anyone is even gonna bring a flyer, and if they do, well, less stuff contesting objectives for them. I'd consider switching it for a Wyvern, a beast against infantry, and also the same kit, so you can magnetize and get both!

Also, on veterans: I don't usually foot slog them, but put them inside a chimera with meltas or plasmas. The squads with the autocannons and camo cloaks are great for sitting at objectives, but you gotta consider that when you shoot at a target the big gun hits well (like a light vehicle), the other 7 mooks with lasguns and BS4 you paid for are gonna do shit.

For board control and massed infantry I like infantry platoons better, veterans are meant to bring better BS and lots of good guns where they are needed, at least the way I use them.

A rank. B+ for kdk.

The guy who uploaded that picture says that GW is going to be showing off new technical paints too.

Anyone think Stormhost Silver might be the new go-to silver for Storm Wardens?

Which Imperial Armour is the Deredeo Dreadnought in?

On the FW website.

bikes alone arent bad

I'm really curious about those gemstone colors. The current metallic range has served me well so far, but I'm interested to see what sort of effect those have.

Alright, here's the revised list, what do you think of it so far?

Battle-Forged IG CAD, 1K points.

-HQ
-Tank Commander, 30
+Leman Russ Vanquisher, 135
+Camo Netting, 15
+Hull Lascannon, 10
+Multimelta Sponsons, 20
Total, 210
+Leman Russ Exterminator, 130
+Hull Lascannon, 10
+Multimelta Sponsons, 20
+Camo Netting, 15
-Total, 175
-Complete Total, 385

+Heavy Support
-Wyvern Suppression Tank, 60
+Camo Netting, 15
Total, 80

+Heavy Support
-Leman Russ Exterminator, 130
+Hull Lascannon, 10
+Multimelta sponsons, 20
+Camo Netting, 15
Total, 175

-Troops
-4xVeteran Squad, 60 (240)
+Forward Sentries, 10 (40)
+Autocannon HWT, 10 (40)
Total, 80 (320)

++Complete Total, 960 points.++

I've forty extra points, don't know what I can/should add onto it though. I do like flamers, but I'm not sure if that would be an appropriate choice here.

Just a bit of clarification on formations. If I take a Primary detachment of a CAD, and give it the basic amount of troops and an HQ, I can take any number of formations I want and it doesn't count towards my CAD slots, right? The only thing is that detachment specific rules don't affect those formations, right?

Black Templars player, ain't using the Gladius because Crusader squads are the black sheep of the codex.

free FW download. Deredeo is weird wouldnt rate the rules

That list has no Executioners.

Both the one you posted and the New IG player's.

GW seems to be trying to make itself better. I think the next step will be streamlining 40k rules (at least make the book more readable, people miss so much and it doesn't help lots of books GW make miss the page numbers) and making them free. They've started with repackaged units, so I expect that to be better soon.

I don't hope, cause we all know where that road leads, but I'm curious to see if GW gets better. Even if it's a little bit. Ever since Kirby fucked off GW seems to have got better, even a tiny bit. Not perfect. Not good even. Not even acceptable. But baby steps.

Sorry, I said I'm sleep deprivied, I originally had Executioners in the list then changed it for more reliable AT stuff for potential AV14. So I'll delete and restart.

>So what you do is you make those Executioners BS4 with Grizmund
what executioners?

See

God dammit!

Am i a fucking attention whore or something?

Why won't people critique my lists?

Fucking dakka dakka, its like they got a filter on americans posts or something.

My suggestion would be to run an armoured battle group for the tanks. Gives you more options and makes your tanks troop choices so they become obj.sec.

>no one plays your faction
>nothing wrong with the list
>looks like a standard list
>we gotta talk about memes and other things instead

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Grizmund is the shit.

HQ: Grizmund (280)
Troop: x10 Vets (60)
Troop: x10 Vets (60)
Troop: x10 Vets (60)
Heavy: Leman Russ Vanquisher x3 (405)
Heavy: Hydra Flakk Cannon (70)
Heavy: Wyvern (65)

Should be, based on my sleep deprived maths which I'm shit at anyway....

Total: 1000

The Vanquishers should reliably deal with AV10-12 with S8 AP2 Armourbane; though might get tougher on AV13+ and things such as Knights. As only 3 shots per turn. However they can also be turned on MEQ/TEQ's.

So what you do is you make those Vanquishers BS4 with Grizmund. Then you put him nearby so his bubble covers them. He can help with armour duty if need be. That means re-roll the first missed To Hit shot of the shooting phase. Making sure those Vanquishers hit. The Veterans can deal with infantry and capture objectives, while the Wyvern is supporting them with it's goodness. The Hydra keeps skimmers and flyers busy.

That would mean, based on your current list, one more tank. If you've magnetised your tanks turrets or your friends are cool, should be able to proxy LR as whatever. Grizmund doesn't have a model either, so a regular Leman Russ with a tank commander should do.

Only other thing missing is the Wyvern, which most IG players will recommend you get due to how good it is, though many might get annoyed if you bring more than 2, especially in a 1000 pointers (assuming you ignore this).

flamers might work, you can buy 2 for each squad. Or 4 flamers and 4 grenade launchers. Or some flamers and some meltas, i don't know man.

Now, walk us through what you intend to do with each part of this list on the table, and then we'll know for sure if it sounds good

What list is yours.

that and the troubles of being a publicly traded company. we get these half assed boardgames with discounted minis because not many shareholders are just going too accept lowering the prices of products on the shelf.

What list? The two lists in this thread have had replies. I can try and help but I'm knackered and suck.

That list is an unbound list btw.

>half assed boardgames
Yo, Deathwatch was fun as fuck.
I want to try out Silver Tower.

I was under the impression that the board games, especially the AoS one, were 'fun'? Friends, who were not interested in AoS or WHFB, played it and enjoyed it.

We know that GW spent a lot of money last year opening up their new specialist game design studio. Which has already started producing Bloodbowl minis. I think the other planned ones were Necromunda, Battlefleet Gothic and Epic? Plus Lord of the Rings (why? It's a good game but I doubt people play it).

I would love to see GW get the license to produce World of Warcraft tabletop game. Think about it, they did it for Lord of the Rings, why not for Warcraft film?

>Three gemstone colors
>Primary colors of light instead of primary colors of pigments
Fuck you, GW.

I played Silver Tower with some kids at my FLGW.

It was okay. I had more fun as we went on, but there's honestly not a whole lot of tactical thought. It's just rolling dice pretty much.

I thought somebody would say that. Most people I've played with don't care, same as the Necron relics in Shield of Baal are for the specific dynasty. House rules.

He wouldn't do my list anyway so it's not really a problem.

>Warcraft themed tabletop
God I would hop on that and roll Tauren soooo fucking fast.

OR they could use the license to illustrate the early Azeroth wars of Titan constructs vs elementals vs old god stuff from the Chronicle book.

>people complaining about wyverns in 1k matches
there was a taufuck yesterday who posted a list with 2 riptides at 750. you're fine

Most the GW boardgames I've played are fun, however the key is to not poopsock them.

When you play too many games of a short boardgames too frequently, they become less interesting for you very quickly.

Like, if you beat or reach turn12+ on Assassinorium, don't rush to play another go in the dame evening. Take a few days to kinda enjoy the memory of it, reflect on what mistakes you made, savoring your victory, etc.

I'm afraid I've no knowledge about the Armored Battlegroup. It's a Forgeworld thing, correct? Would anyone have a pdf of it that I could download, or is it available from their site?

Well, I'm thinking the Tank Commander on the Vanquisher to give it BS4 to make it hit more often, as well as an Exterminator to be able to reliably take out other stuff as well, and be issued orders.

The sole Exterminator in the Heavy support slot will be used to be able to shoot at different targets from the Tank Commander's squadron, as well as add more armor presence to the list, as well as I just liking them.

The Wyvern is to round out the list and because it seems like a good anti-infantry unit.

The Veterans are to hold objectives and fill out the troops slot of the CAD. The Autocannon HWT would let them defend themselves from things with higher armor near them, and the flamers would fend off other infantry units. Plus I just like the models as well, honestly.

>he doesn't let Grizmund act as a normal HQ due to IA2 being older

I'll fix it for you, since the other guy wants to moan (he'll probably just go 'it doesn't count as Battleforged either cause the group was before Battleforged and Ubound! :^))))

HQ: Grizmund (280)
Troop: x3 Vanquishers (465)
Troop: x10 Guardsmen in Chimera (105)
Heavy: Hydra Flakk Cannon (75)
Heavy: Griffon Strike Battery (75)

There, 1000 and Battleforged.