Warmahordes

Both.

Doctor Arkadius, his feat is super easy to use and his long threat ranges and high damage make him breeze to get to grips with. Carver is also tough and straightforward, Gators need a bit more finesse these days as their mainstays were nerfed.

Based on the Battlebox and Deck leaks who are the winners and losers of MK3?

So since some of the leaked decks seem incomplete, does anyone have any details on the Thunder Chicken (Storm Raptor)?

Well if you want to start with one of the battlebox caster, I'd recommend Barnabas. I think he's easier to use than Helga is. Plus, his feat would allow for a pop 'n drop style list that could make good use of the pig's guns.

Am I crazy or did Triumph get good?

Would Wrong-eye with a Wrastler be a good addition? Pricey, but P+S 21 War Hogs sound tasty.

Khador seems to have come out pretty damn strong.

Skorne on the other hand...

Still can't melee for shit.

You're not crazy.

Is that really some huge revelation about a Defender chassis?

You have Primal in pigs. Why pay 33 points for Rage?

Wrongeye is super good but the wrastler will make the combo super expensive. Pigs get a good damage buff with the battle boars primal anyway so it's usually not required. Most pig warlocks crank up the damage like crazy anyway so it's probably overkill level.

Defender has 3 more POW.

And? You still don't want it in melee.

Late-game you don't have a choice.

Hohoho it aint so bad. But i want more.
Kekd, nice try bub. Try harder thought.

So far, I don't see any faction that stands out as especially overpowered or weak, honestly, the balance between factions seems pretty good.

Cryx and Legion got hit the hardest. Skorne... well, Skorne continues to be Skorne. Warmachine factions in general seem to have gotten more benefit from the new design philosophy, and Khador, Ret, and Mercs being the biggest beneficiaries (with Menoth and Cygnar right behind them).

I question how Hordes is going to be able to keep up with the 'jack skew that Mk3 seems built to put on the table, but without any games, I'm just theorymachining by myself, so I'm not on the doom train, just right now don't see how it's going to balance out.

I've read Cygnar, Khador, Cryx, and Mercs.
Out of those, Cygnar, Khador are the clear winners.
Mercs is also pretty good.
Cryx got nerfed on all fronts multiple times.
Either these factions are not designed by the same guys, or they just got bored by the time they got to Cryx and tuned everything down to be safe and left it there.

I'm wondering the same thing. Fury was clearly better than focus, but now every caster seems to have a free battlegroup upkeep. How do Hordes compare?

Legion because of Shepherd nerf?

What design philosophy was that? The "lets take all the negative play experiences and skew options and put them in another faction instead" one?

>he thinks the "decks" are real

Okay, so Arkadius or Barnabus to start with, some Bone Grinders for Fury management and spell boosting, Battle Boar for Arkadius, any other models to make a good core foundation for lists?

>implying they aren't
Yeah sure.

>implying they are
look at it isnt even the right card template

So you mean someone went through the trouble of creating >1000 cards for a prank?

Also that format matches the battlebox spoilers.

i know nothing about warmachine, when will mkIII launch, and will the starter sets be good ?

Stormsmith Grenadiers hype

All the battlebox casters look solid. Not really any bad models in any of them and they come with a full set of rules to boot. Throw in your $30 and give it a go.

What factions are you eyeing up?

its using a warcaster card, with a focus bubble. battle engines dont have focus

Oh I see. So there is still hope.

And Hammersmiths' hammers were ranged weapons in the Forces of Cygnar book. Your point?

End of June

>And Hammersmiths' hammers were ranged weapons
That would be so badass.

1. menoth
2. scyrah
3. other warmachines though cryx more then the others
4. i would play this game because of the warmachines, but the everblight dont look that bad.

Well, the Posse are still solid, if not as good as they used to be.

On the pig side of things, I've always been a fan of Slaughterhousers.

Retributions caster is going to be a great Jack caster and you want at least one Manticore. Definitely worth picking up.

Don't know shit about Menoth, someone else will have to cover you

Good news for you then! Everything is viable in this game! At least it was in MK2 and probably will still be in MK3.

Is there a playstyle you prefer?

Man, I can easily see most Thyron lists running two Sphinxes and a Banshee now. They do literally everything with him. They beat into armour, they chew through infantry, they have serviceable shooting...

And that's like... 17pts, right? He can fill up on all the other shit he likes.

Fuck, it could be that stuff plus a bunch of Gorgons or Chimeras. Just cleave across the board like a motherfucker. They only need focus for a charge on his feat turn, and they generate that themselves.

also you say throw in 30 bucks. does that mean the starter sets are 30 buckaros?

(though what price in euros since i live in Netherlands)

not really, i have 40k eldar for range and specialisation

warhammer ogre kingdoms for SMASH.

lotr warg rider and beasts army for speed.

i dont really know what styles this game has to offer.

New battleboxes are 39.99USD. They're quite the deal.

Retribution are going to be running 3 heavies. Our lies are completely over shadowed. I can't see why I would take a light outside of a chimera which is a hard to lock down arc node.

They're £25 at my local store.

Factions have room to have different styles in them. Retribution can make a shield of meat to just walk up and smash or can be tricksy elves who shoot you through walls and run away. Battlecollege is our wiki, it'll give you an idea of what stuff does.

so why wouldn't i just buy 2 of those ?

what is retribution ?

>PP spoil that reciprocators kept 8 boxes

>turns out all the CoC medium base stuff did too

>and so did skinwalkers

>pp to skorne players

The Retribution of Scyrah is a faction in Warmachine.

Skorne wins the battleboxes at the very least. Xekaar seems leagues above some of the others on a caster to caster level. As for the rest of skorne...

Elfqaeda.

Basically, technologically advanced elves who are mad that humanity may be unknowingly killing their gods by siphoning off their power for magic, thus dooming elves to end up soulless and eventually extinct. Originally the organization, which isn't openly supported by Ios, the elf nation, aimed to kill all human wizards in order to ease the strain on their assumed sole remaining deity, but it's recently come to light that there's at least one other elf god left and they might now be looking for the others (who inhabit the material world rather than the spiritual plane).

They also recently helped push back an invasion from desert shitmunchers, so they may be national heroes now or some shit.

Any Mercfags here?

I am trying to think of ways to make thorn gun mage prowl work and there aren't many options it seems:
>Using models with [*Action Cloud] means bunching them up around models that will usually not be stealthed and easier to hit. Also clouds need to be centered on the model using the action, so blasts targeting it will hit the whole group.
>The piper gives concelment but it seems like a waste for such small units. Also I want to play 2.
>Sticking them in terrain will make them was to imobile.

Did I overlook anything?

walk them into a forest

Did points actually get reduced ever so slightly?

50 + 5 was an average MK2 amount. so we expect 110 right? well most casters are +30 WB points which puts them at 105, and there are quite a few under +30 which puts them under 100 which is like having less than 50 points for a list and no jack/beast points

i noticd it was hard fitting shit into lists even with point reduction on a lot of models, fuck.

is this a new faction for mkIII ?

or a hordes faction ?

Shae has Veil of Mists.

It's been a faction for ages.

New Hordes faction next year.

It's a Warmachine faction that has been around for a while.

A new Hordes faction is coming sometime next year.

Fuck, I misread that badly.

Ret's been in since right before MKII.

>criticizing a obvious range jack for not being good in cc....

Dude, please tell me you're retarded or age of 12, other than those cannot excuse such idiocracy.

The problem is that a heavy warjack, especially one that expensive, absolutely needs to be able to anchor a game.

Like, a ranged jack needs to have some ability to close a game out, because he's absolutely going to need to.

And a POW14 jack isn't doing shit to finish a game.

I'll just let that statement of yours stand as it is. Anyone can see how dumb it is without me elaborating.

I am convinced that no one at PP actually plays or even likes skorne.

PP employee here. This is true,

Skorne player here. Eat a dick.

Enjoy your faction :^)

>Skorne
>Faction

So I totally missed the leaks for the Stormwall. Is it still worth getting for Mk 3, and does anyone have a summary?

A lot of us are noticing we're struggling to fit everything we did in before. Part of the problem is the Jack points are replacing a unit in effect so we're always 1 unit short of what we want while counting the jacks as "free" instead of a replacement.

As someone who only ever played 35 points I'm struggling to find a list I like for 75 points now. I feel like I have an extra unit.

Covering Fire templates went down to POW10, and there's a limit on how many of the little shock pod thingies you can launch during the game.

Cinerators > Bastions?

And covering fire is wall shaped now. Which is a plus.

PP Employee here, this is false.

Legion got nerfed across the board, even on weird stuff like Harriers.

prove it

there was a general power decrease across the board among most factions in certain ways. Legion is still fine, plenty of things that still work and work well.

>So I totally missed the leaks for the Stormwall. Is it still worth getting for Mk 3, and does anyone have a summary?
>Covering Fire templates went down to POW10, and there's a limit on how many of the little shock pod thingies you can launch during the game.

What that guy said. It got very minor nerfs to its card. The bigger (stealth) nerf is that colossals only get 1 power up focus, while their weight in regular jacks get 3 or 4.

That is not true, a lot of factions are better off now then in MK2.

I will admit khador got some nice boosts

Maybe I'm just salty because I was hoping for our shittier units to have more of a role and our infantry to be more worthwhile.

There there LegionBro its okay. Just take a break from spoilers for a day or two and try to comeback with a fresh mindset of looking at things as they are and not comparing them to the old. Its hard but it must be done in order to quickly acclimatize to MK3. I'm literally starting legion as my main army in MK3. I know there are alot of things that were lost or changed but look at what we still have and what we've gotten.

>Angelius is still great,
>Nephilim got a slight boost
>Nightlurker is still throwing out wraithbane.
>5 wound med inf isn't too terrible to write them off immeditely
>HOLY SHIT RAPTORS AND THEIR REPOSITION SHENANIGANS

this For minions, I feel better off except for the gatorman posse. Considering all the crap I can do now, I don't mind the gatorman posse nerf.

Wrastler and Blind Walker are just great. Ironback Spitter have Targ poke it in the butt for a second AOE 4 continuous corrosion blast.

>Nephilim got a slight boost
I love two of the 4 nephilim. I wish the Soldier was not nerfed, and that the bloodseer replaced its animus stuff with more magical shenanigans.

Weird changes on orin, I used to take him for anti-cryx and I still may, but he lost his fuck off spells bubble for – This model can immediately negate any spell that targets it or a model within 3˝ of it by spending one power token.
He starts with three power tokens and there's no way to generate more

yeah....The bloodseer kinda gets thrown away just to cause upkeep problems and I dont really see putting it in my lists

Protector is fine, Boltthrower I think is good,
and on the soldier is it the loss of the free charge?

Looking at the cards, there appears to be a strong bias towards making the "basic" warjack (or warjacks) for most factions particularly cheap, which hasn't really carried over to warbeasts as much.

The result is it's significantly cheaper to just get a chassis on the table. At the same time, they handed out field marshal and whole-battlegroup abilities pretty geneously to Warmachine casters, increasing what you get just for putting a chassis on the table.

So because with the right caster, just putting a chassis on the table is so valuable, I'm looking at Menoth jacks under Amon and finding it hard to justify taking anything other than a Crusader because you get so much for just having a *jack* at all, and then the upgrades are expensive relative to the base cost -- and got even more expensive, as the Crusader got a bigger point drop than most.

And then on the Hordes side, the "basic" beasts are more expensive, have worse stats, and in at least some cases they've reduced whole-battlegroup abilities in Hordes (like eKaya lost her battlegroup charges for free ability). And then because of the way Power Up works, a Warmachine caster gets more focus to play with with more jacks, but Hordes fury management got worse, so they've got less to go around to power more expensive beasts.

I play both sides, and perhaps my opinion will change once I get some games under my belt, but Mk3 Warmachine battlegroups seem buffed *above* Mk2 Hordes battlegroups while Mk2 Hordes battlegroups got nerfed.

But time will tell. I'm not on the doom train, but it's changed the priority on my painting table.

Man, MK3 hit some of the heavy infantry pretty hard, huh? Bastions make me want to cry. Cinerators seem kinda cool, though the price is way too high.

Honestly, stopping three spells can be pretty game winning. It's not bad, just not as simple to use, and yea, not as powerful.

Which faction does the "walk up and smack bitches" the best in general?

Previously skorne. Now not so much.

In theory Khador and Skorne.