>The King has tasked us with rescuing his daughter from an evil warlord >Said warlord does the whole "TAKE ANOTHER STEP AND THE GIRL DIES!" thing >"I crossbow him in the face!" >7 damage >Warlord doesn't die >Kills the Princess >We kill Warlord
>"Well good job asshat the Princess is dead now. I'd be suprised if the King doesn't execute us let alone pay us." >Wizard pauses for a second "Wait I got an idea." >Keep in mind, the GM has made some BS clause about how reviving people's actually a huge risk of having a demon or another spirit posess a body unless you explicitly go find the soul and we're level 6 >So the wizard fucking revives her as a zombie >"What the fuck man" >"Look we'll just heal the throat wound with some inflict wounds- she's undead now it'll work- and then we return her to the castle" >"She's a zombie!" >"Noble's are always wearing white powder makeup we'll just say she touched herself up before she came home." >"She's mindless!" >"We'll just say she's under stress from her harrowing experience and command her to give some random responses to questions." >"FOREVER!?" >"Till we get our money! She drops dead in the castle, we run away and are never heard from again."
We're all gonna die next session I can tell
Zachary Reed
I'm not a big fan of when player take necromancy lightly. Out of all the schools of magic, the one that involves working with people's souls should be the last one considered for casual misuse.
Jayden Thomas
This will end well, OP.
I like it.
Tell me you have an escape plan.
Joseph Rivera
Our escape plan is "the moment things get too hairy we compel the princess's corpse to set itself on fire as a distraction and run"
no really that's our wizard's suggestion
Jaxon Nguyen
She wouldn't drop dead when the party leaves, she would turn into a feral zombie and start murdering everyone.
Sebastian Gray
Better than the time we made a hollowed corpse peanut butter filled rat marionette.
Justin Turner
They explicitly didn't touch her soul.
Liam Hill
did you quote the wrong guy?
Cooper Perry
Wizards are dicks.
Chase Kelly
Yes.
Tyler Campbell
You deserve this.
Aaron Hall
this sounds like the origin story of some kind of horrible unique undead.
Henry Wilson
Everything is a tool to used how the wielder sees fit regardless of your opinion on the matter.
I believe nukes are not to be used lightly as they have huge after effects and are likely to do more harm than good. However ISIS, Kim, and the Holy Republic Sweden Empire might disagree.
Jason Hall
Why do you hate fun?
Brandon Gonzalez
This looks like it is dnd, in dnd creating undead is objectively evil per the rules of the game. So no you can't get away with that by RAW.
Colton Parker
You have an opportunity here to do something great, OP. Don't fuck it up.
Zachary Thomas
>killing only her >not just having your undead torch the entire damn castle OP plz, ya'll dumbasses, the best thing to do is if you fuck up extra hard, you murderhobo until there are no witnesses. its the only way it won't bite you in the ass.
Joseph Williams
>>Said warlord does the whole "TAKE ANOTHER STEP AND THE GIRL DIES!" thing >>"I crossbow him in the face!" damage >>Warlord doesn't die >>Kills the Princess This is the sort of situation where you need a better GM or a different system.
Jordan Bailey
Did the Princess have no class levels or something?
Anyway, OP, tell the king the warlord did despicable things to her, and just have your zombie commit suicide while you are mid negotiations. Hell, have her run shrieking out and jump into the moat while stabbing herself in the throat.
Easy.
Luke Ross
user.. a zombie can not run and does not take damage from stabbing itself with a knife.... >The Princess shuffles over to the window attempting to scream well stabbing self in the neck with a knife leaving no noticeable damage. >Eventually manages to fall into moat where she sits to this day stabbing herself in the neck. This really does sound like the backstory to some unique undead.
Logan Moore
>No damage >no noticeable damage These are two different things. You can cut a zombie it just doesn't care about it or take lethal damage from it.
Jackson Roberts
Whatever campaign you thought you were doing, you're now starring in Weekend at Bernie's 2: Zombie Boogaloo
Brandon Morales
Zombies can be put down with slashing damage and sufficient bludgeoning damage. Just have her walk over to the window, slash her own neck open and jump.
The fall will take her out.
You don't need her to actually die, just look like she takes lethal damage then stop moving.
Hell, have your cleric get there first and cast cure serious wounds on the zombie, then say "I'm sorry, there was nothing I could do."
Noah Thompson
The issue is she won't bleed.
Carson Adams
It was funny because Berny was an asshole. Not as much fun with someone innocent.
Carter Moore
Nothing worse then a DM who cannot stretch the system just a wee bit, the warlord should have at least recoiled enough for the princess to get outta his grasp, just for the sake of a hostage situation.
Isaiah Lee
Why?
Adrian Johnson
>attacking everything that moves should solve whatever problem that moving thing causes Get out and take your intriguing waifu with you.
Nicholas Gomez
But that's how we deal with hostages in real life, we blow their head off if we have a sniper around, unless it's a hard shot.
Robert Evans
Sometimes the heroes fuck up because they did stupid shit.
A player's gotta roll with those punches just as well as a DM does.
Carter Clark
>working with people's souls >necromancy Wew lad
Parker Foster
It should have been a hard shot to make, penalties on the roll and the like, not an auto-fail. See
Isaac Thompson
Since when is shooting the hostage taker in the face stupid?
Hunter Peterson
Why would you expect an evil warlord in an obviously fantastical setting to go down from a single crossbow bolt. Real people have survived that.
Logan Rogers
Since he had the hostage in a position to kill them if it didn't work. But really killing your hostage is in bad form, they make much better human shields, aka concealment if you keep them alive.
Nolan Ramirez
Congratulations, you're practically creating a new iteration of the "lethal female ghost" that every culture seems to have.
>Save me or I'll kill you.
I expect your trousers to be haunted quite soon. Ethereal itch can't be scratched user.
Andrew Bell
But not even flinch? Come on now.
Easton Lee
Shooting the hostage taker is the best route though, you cannot talk down a bandit chief and they were a pretty low level to start, only think I could think of is taking the corpse of one of his men and having it mozy on over to hit him in the back of the head, distracting him, but if he took a bolt to the fucking face and didn't even flinch I doubt a zombie hitting him would.
Oliver Young
So cut a hole in her neck, put a blood bag in the hole, then seal her up again.
This isn't rocket science, people.
Lucas Richardson
I'm not sure a flinch would help rescue the princess when said flinching man is (from what I can gather looking at the OP) pressing a knife against her neck.
If we're going full realism here, the flinch would be what got her throat slit
Kevin Edwards
It doesn't even make sense, either. The whole point of that kind of hostage situation is that the baddie is banking on the goodies being unwilling to risk attacking them, for fear of hurting the hostage.
But if the baddie kills the hostage, they've just discarded the only thing keeping the goodies at bay. And if the goodies attack them regardless of the hostage, there's no point keeping the hostage anyway, because it's clear that the goodies aren't afraid of hurting them.
The joke is that the PCs are terrible people.
Anthony Jackson
They had a mage that could make a zombie, I am now curious why the said mage did not have charm person handy for a hostage rescue mission.
Luke Lopez
Seems there is no way they could have saved her then. Charm person would be nice, especially since bandits are usually retarded and cannot resist magic at all.
Juan Ross
That's because we have absurdly powerful hardware to do so with, and why nobody serious stands in the open with a hostage. Nobody thinks trying to snipe somebody out with a normal weapon is a good idea unless they're a cowboy or have an inordinate amount of time to aim.
"Flinch," maybe. "Instantly lose grip on the person they were preparing to kill if the heroes didn't move," no.
In fact, you could pretty convincingly argue her throat should have been cut before the bolt hit him.
If he's bothering to take her hostage, two things are probably true. One, you probably have something he wants. Two, either saying no isn't going to work well or this world's inhabitants are retarded.
Nathan Ross
>7 damage And this is the problem with abstracted damage. You don't just eat a fucking crossbow bolt to the face and receive no ill effects, you gotta flinch, or something that allows the princess to move out of his grasp.
Jason Edwards
>no way Plenty of ways, but going for an unplanned, solo frontal attack when he's got your person of interest at his mercy?
Not exactly the most intelligent course of action. If I were in that party I'd have smacked the crossbowman before he rolled any dice.
James Johnson
If they had a rogue, they could have snuck up behind them to grapple the guy and let the Princess get free. Coup de grace requires a full round action on a helpless target, so if you're in melee range you can probably stop it.
If they had a wizard spell to daze the warlord they could have got over to him.
If they had a spell to heat up the blade he might have dropped it.
If they had waited to talk and let him get unaware they could have tricked him.
If they had shot him in the arm he might have dropped the blade.
No, they shoot him in the face. Nothing else they could have done at all.
Ian Walker
Well also let's be fair, the guy probably didn't literally get hit in the face, the op didn't mention concealment used at all, and the guy obviously was in a position to coup de grace the princess and he shot at the guy anyways. Yeah most people would kill her and try to flee. Or perhaps the gm just didn't want the shoot every problem in the face, and create undead murder hobos to rape the npc, OP is probably also bait
Jayden Butler
Well maybe the OP does and wants to be a crossbow cowboy. Flinching with a roll to see if she gets away is better than instant death. >Giving the kings gold to him We don't negotiate with barbarian scum, King shoulda sent a super pro sniper or some shit to help get his daughter back if we loves her so much. What would you have done user?
Josiah Davis
Hang on. He only took 7 damage from a crossbow, but the warlord can instagib the princess? She's gotta have a couple levels Noble by this point, she's probably sitting around 30HP. If he's doing that much in a single swing, then how the fuck did you survive the encounter?
Elijah Gomez
>with a roll to see if she gets away you mean "with a roll to see if his knife hand tenses up and stabs her in the fucking throat"
Logan Scott
OP is most likely bait. I doubt it was a coup de grace though. The whole >"TAKE ANOTHER STEP AND THE GIRL DIES!" thing implies that he was holding a sword to her neck or something, which is still enough leeway in movement that you can't be coup de graced from memory. You need to be asleep or completely bound, which one arm around the shoulder is not. We just don't have enough information.
Jackson Clark
If I was the GM, you would be in deep shit if you do this kind of crap.
I have a low toleration for stupidity: it begets stupidity.
Noah Martin
>Daze, sleep, invisibility, grease, hold person, charm person, summon creature. I would have picked something that could actually stop him. Probably coup de grace.
Michael Perez
>If they had a rogue, they could have snuck up behind them to grapple the guy and let the Princess get free. Coup de grace requires a full round action on a helpless target, so if you're in melee range you can probably stop it.
I'm sure he has a good haul of goons watching his back, doubt he wouldn't notice you butchering a few to get to him.
>If they had a wizard spell to daze the warlord they could have got over to him.
As usual wizard solves fucking everything
>If they had a spell to heat up the blade he might have dropped it.
Once again, fucking wizards
>If they had waited to talk and let him get unaware they could have tricked him.
True they could have acted like they'd give him what he wanted and then rush him at the last second.
>If they had shot him in the arm he might have dropped the blade.
I dunno man, he took that bolt to the goddamn face pretty well.
Dominic Davis
maybe the warlord killed her by using her body to block the worst of the crossbow bolt
Adrian Adams
Cut scene deaths user. If you wanna put it that way sure, she might survive the damage though, I'm sure they have some sort of healer that can stop the bleeding. I'm talking about those of us who don't shoot lasers out of our ass, plus their mage sounds retarded.
Eli Diaz
>Muh perfect outcomes
Fuck off Vaelys
Justin Cooper
>I'm talking about those of us who don't shoot lasers out of our ass, plus their mage sounds retarded. Charge the bandit leader and smite the shit out of him. Talk to him. Agree to leave if the princess will be safe and come back later now that we know where she is. Not be a god damn retard.
Cameron Sanchez
He got the roll, I don't see what the problem is, if you don't want a perfect outcome make it a bit more complicated. I mean he still has goons all over, maybe they grab her and drag him back for medical attention. But he shouldn't just laugh at the damage.
Owen Clark
>lots of henchmen outta nowhere No mention of them earlier, that's just guessing now. But still a better chance of doing something than just initiating open combat.
Besides, level 6. They should have potions of invisibility for just this reason.
Ranged disarm is also a thing, though a really crap thing.
Heat metal is a druid spell, by the way.
Also, another option is to heal her before the life leaves her body - I mean, she has to bleed out first in most cases.
But really, lots of things they could have done.
Mason Carter
>she might survive the damage though okay, but you better stabilize her qui- oh wait he drove his sword through her chest because you shot him
Gabriel Scott
>Charge him I like the way you do things but that princess is fucked. >talk to him He is a warlord who wants something the king obviously isn't willing to give up, otherwise the king would have gave him it by now. >agree to leave True, sneaking in at night or getting the king to send someone who isn't a bunch of level 6 scrubs would be better. Hell they could even try to rush around and ambush them on the way back to the camp or set up a trap after they report back to the king.
Austin Flores
>Holy Republic Sweden Empire >not Halal Eurabian Caliphate
Ethan Nguyen
What warlord doesn't come with a bunch of goons? If he is that stupid the party shouldn't even be in that situation. The rushing over to heal her before she bleeds out is the best option since everyone has a healer, but I think the GM made her instantly die from it. >stabilize her qui- oh wait he drove his sword through her chest because you shot him I think you mean >better slit her throat qui- oh wait the crossbowman just shot me through the fucking face
Owen Rivera
>ha ha these fags won't attack me while I have this blade directly against this princesses throat >oh no some jackoff bounced a crossbow bolt off of my helmet and made me slit her dumbass neck open >well, since these shitheels are obviously out for blood I may as well make their lives fucking miserable before they can kill me It's almost like hostage situations are actually quite difficult to diffuse.
Joseph Reed
>helmet Holy shit, this whole time I've been arguing in the favor of the crossbowman, and I've just been imagining him as a half armored barb. Well shit, sorry about that, wish OP would have told us what he wanted and what he was wearing.
Sebastian Rivera
>Sweden >ISIS >two different things
LOL
Parker Young
>cut scene death Yet the BBEG is immune? Mid cut-scene he gets fucking shot with a crossbow and it's "only 7 damage". The moment the numbers come back its not a cut-scene and she should've taken one of his in game attacks. Consistency nigga.
Christian Perry
Look, OP didn't mention what the guy is wearing or how many guards there were. For all we know the guy had no armour and his minons were all slaughtered, or this guy was talking to them over videophone and they shot the screen.
Jaxon Thompson
Why do this stupid scheme in the first place? "We tried to save her, but we arrived but a moment too late." There are no eye witnesses who aren't you.
Angel Brown
He probably had left her at one HP just so the threat would be more effective.
Thomas Taylor
Because they want to get paid. Also because they are fucking morons. I mean you saw the post where they shot the guy holding the hostage, most likely mid sentence.
Adrian White
>"You incompetent fools", exclaims the King, "my daughter's blood is on your hands! I'll have your heads!" >the Royal Guard steps forward >Roll for diplomacy?
You don't just go "eh we were too late :3" to a King
Anthony Harris
b-but that goes against the geneva convention
Brayden Young
But you can flee the country and live under assumed names.
Henry Phillips
Yeah, they pretty clearly are morons. But still, if they tell a story that makes it clearly not their fault he ganked her, they could probably have still wiggled a payment for returning her body for a royal burial.
Nolan Wright
If you make yourselves out to be the incompetent fools, then you didn't tell the right story.
Jeremiah Robinson
>bandit chops girl's head off >guys show up too late >its all your fault huehuehue Fucking royals
Dylan Hughes
Just bring her head back and say she was an imposter because her blood is red. Well yeah that is the typical human reaction to blame someone and lash out at them.
Kevin Mitchell
Thus begins the comedy of errors. Just keep stacking on the lies. Let this situation get more complicated. If you have a cool GM who'll play along, this is now the campaign, or at least a good few adventures.This is potential for some great gaming right here.
You gotta look for the positives, guys.
Kayden Rodriguez
Fucking sentients.
Zachary Murphy
>Just bring her head back I'm pretty sure they'd rather you bring back the full body
like, I'd expect nobles bury royal dead. Not mount their skulls on pikes.
Lucas Lewis
Red blood means she is not royal user. Imposers do not deserve royal burial.
Kevin Bailey
Itt retarded murder hobos angry that their retarded hurderhoboing had consequences.
Jaxon Carter
>10 minutes later >Kingdom overthrown by PCs because DM didn't even draw a line of Royal Guard levels
Jack Jenkins
>using hitpoints in a hostage situation Your GM is a dumb shit
Carson Walker
>involves working with peoples souls Nigger are you retired?
Brody Taylor
>Doesn't want to put the princess' head on a pike and prance around her former home.
Why even live?
Camden Kelly
To be fair, this is one of those times when killing someone would actually solve a problem in the real world. Shooting someone in the head is a viable way to resolve a hostage situation. Now if he missed and killed her then they'd deserve the consequences.
Benjamin Williams
>Not marrying zombie princess >Not waiting for father to die of old age and returning with her to claim her birthright >Not abducting children and turning them into your brood of zombie children Why live?
Adam Reyes
This, this is exactly how my party would handle it.
Kek
Lincoln Robinson
>clinging grimly to the rigors of an abstracted health system in a dramatic narrative event
This shit is why I'm foreverDM.
For real though, if you're not a piece of bait, your DM's incompetence has given you a unique opportunity to crash this campaign (or at least this kingdom) with no survivors. Whether you take it or not is up to you.
Also, this sounds a lot like the kind of thing that leads to some legendary undead monster being created.
Mason Edwards
> After your natural lifespan runs out, become a lich. > Use illusions to make people think you and your zombie princess are in perfect health and never aging > Over generations, they start worshipping you as the second coming > God-Emperor status achieved
Wyatt Mitchell
Suspension of disbelief ya shit head
Angel Jackson
>to the normal person its a happy kingdom full of people with little to no cares in the world, a beautiful queen and a honest and friendly king >people who come to live there never die, the land is prosperous and starvation and crime are non existent >dispelling illusions reveals everyone is undead beings >have to decide if you should report them to the paladins or leave them be
Lincoln Smith
>Look down. >Realize you are an undead being.
Josiah Peterson
The rules are stuck to, because otherwise, when the same exact fucking thing is done by the DM, to the PCs? They throw a fucking wobbler, shitting themselves in rage and come on here to cry about it.
Gavin Mitchell
>Faction of good undead Why don't people do this more often, you would never have to worry about the king dying and his dickbag son taking over, because the king is ruling in death!