Your gains are probably losses

>The reason I trade in USD is that I don't wanna lose value if BTC goes down.
Most alts go down in usd when btc is going down; just pull up the eth or monero chart or whatever and overlay btcusd

I hate bitcoin because it was ruined by normies so I only trade for usd to cashout soon and leave normies holding my bags.

I had 8 BTC in alts at one point and now I am down to 3. I got reemed so hard when BTC moons. I realize it's going to be the coin people want the most in the future, and will continue to be the "Digital Gold" people really want.

I have a ton of alts and will continue to hold, but I at least want 1 or 2 BTC just to hold

i.e. this

I trade in worth of fiat instead of sats because I am not a dumb normie who thinks the bitcoin money train is going on forever.

The absolute fucking state. So fucking tired of these thread
>muh BTC value muh alts always lose
If we count BTC's value in terms of fiat then why the fuck should we not for the rest of the fucking market? Everyone enters crypto to make fiat gains. You can't even spend BTC and you never will spend it because it's slow, inefficient, wasteful, and unsustainable--some better currency will come along and take its place for actual use

Stop pretending that BTC is a god and that it's the only thing that matters in the market, especially when its value is measured literally measured in the very thing you scorn other people for measuring their alts in. The entire goddamn market is measured in fiat, and BTC isn't your only option to cash out--move your shit to ETH or LTC or DOGE

Uh huh. I guess it doesnt even come into the equation right user? Cause you got some real perspective and brains...

>I trade in worth of fiat instead of sats
>I am not a dumb normie
Good one user

You make the most fiat gains holding shitcoin. Your day trades are you just paying a fee to larp.

>He trades purely to gain more of a speculative bubble shit coin that literally has no future other than being "da first one to do it"

Guess who keeps their money when your tulip coin pops spastics?

Monero's still up huge against BTC for the year so it all depends on when you got into it.

HEY user whats your big fish story? Buying Monero at 16 bucks when shit coin was at 1000. You finally hit par. Congrats fucker. But seriously, you have lost money not gained. Any gains you think you made are due to you being blinded by greed and ignorance.

>muh nocoiner cope
If your shitcoin isn't going up even as fast as worthless tulipcoin then what does that make you for bagholding it?

>Some guy who has only been in crypto since August, the post

>Implying other coins don't constantly outperform BTC
>He is tricked by the big numbers next to the dollar sign for bitcoin and thinks it's not a shitcoin

Ya Monero is going to hold at 200 when bitcoin drops in hold because the market really beileves in the technology and god damn it they are gonna support that coin win or lose. K Congrats on Monero almost recorving to what it was worth at $178.

You're now shifting the goalposts from If you're beating BTC that's one thing, you're making good trades, if you're losing BTC value and only gaining in fiat you're making shitty trades. Simple.

Tell me your big fish story. What was your big buy that has paid off more than if you did nothing and just held your shitcoins? Lets hear it Jordan.

I don't hold Monero, say what you want

>if you're losing BTC value and only gaining in fiat you're making shitty trades.

>Gain fiat
>Actually stable and able to re-invest (back into crypto or other markets) and buy things

>Gain sats
>Go and take a shit and by the time you come back it is worth 10% less and could pop at any minute

God OP is dumb and fag.

i like this normies that discover "hodl" or "trade in satoshis" meme.

Your a fag, fag.

Because you aren't holding alts instead of USD, you're holding alts instead of BITCOIN, you fucking retard.

>USD value going up matters more than sat value going down
C O P E

The only coin worth trading for is ETH, nice try tho OP.

Unironically this, if you insist on not trading in fiat at least use a crypto that actually has a use.

Listen to moon man. Im tired of trying to explain why you are cancer.

I always see this unsubstantiated, garbage argument. I haven't lost from investing in altcoins because I'm up my original investment brainlet. Literally wrong and retarded to say I lost when I haven't.
>implying BTC is the only thing with trading pairs
Buy fucking ETH. Trade with fucking ETH. CASH OUT WITH ETH

Seriously guys, it's not that hard to deconstruct the whole losing money myth by not focusing on BTC

When buttcoin fucking keels over and is superseded by another top 10, us alt-coin faggots will be glad we didn't evaluate our investments solely in satoshis

Your original investment was BTC. You would have held BTC. You are down. Stay coping.

>thinks buying anything but BTC is a zero sum game
>establishing a false binaries with BTC

I am holding alts instead of fiat you moron

>Buy ETH
>Trade ETH for alts
>Alts appreciate in value
>Trade alts back for ETH
>Sell ETH for fiat

>your original investment was in BTC

Are you this stupid or is it just the power of denial? Litterally everyone who has been in this game for 6 months is up. Its impossible to lose. The bitcoin was manipulated to rope in new money. You have never cashed out only put it. If you have cashed out more than your intial investment ill eat my hat. See i like math and I know 90% of you have chump change invested. You are not cashing out your $200 in "profit" you think you made wasting time playing bingo online. The market is fake and on easy mode right now to suck in more cash.

No it wasn't, it was ETH.

Jesus, why do BTC faggots think their coin is the only thing with fucking trading pairs

thank you

You bought ETH to buy alts or you are in crypto because of BTC. Even if you ended up not purchasing BTC at all, your first choice was Bitcoin. Therefore, you made a conscious decision to choose something over BTC, which ended up being the wrong choice because your initial investment would be worth more had you stuck with the normal choice and held.

When bitcoin crashes with all the new money it takes in this year from level 3 normies. Your alts arent gonna do shit for you. You are playing a video game in an online casino. You havent cashed out jack shit and if you did, well you would be in on the racket and aware of whats going on. You have put more fiat in than you have taken out. I dont care how much money you think you have made.

It’s funny seeing retards like be being so confident. OP is trying to help because he sees a lot of noobs doing stupid shit. You should be thanking the man. But you won’t, so stay poor.

I could cash out more than my original investment right now yes

It's not hard to believe

>I like math
Congrats, I guess?

You sound like an absolute idiot dude. Your argument has literally no substance and you're just spouting nonsense.
>muh online bingo muh market is fake

Seriously, I don't even understand your logic. The premise of your argument is even founded on the false assumption that BTC is the only thing you can buy or trade with. It's not your argument is founded on a literal false binary of BTC vs. everything else.

Learn how to fucking construct an argument before you try to defend your unsustainable trash. When mining starts to account for energy expenditure than the whole of the US (coming in 2019, by the way) you'll wish your muh first mover bias didn't blind you from entering a coin that will actually evolve and survive crypto's shortcomings

This thread really captures whats going on. These fucking guys dont even see whats wrong after having it explained. Congrats, you created a ponzi. Here send me 5$ and ill give you a statement everymonth showing you how much your initial investment is worth in USD! Buy shit coin, sell said shit coin for another shit coin worty less shitcoins than your intial purchase of shitcoin was worth, pure profit cause the screen say you have more USD that you are never going to cash out.

i trade for eth and all i care about is how much fiat people are willing to give me for it on localether.

>its easier to reinvest fiat back into crypto than sats

I calculate my earnings in ounces of gold.

Construct an arguement? You are retarded and everyone reading this can see it. This isnt reddit. You are actually making me money. We arent freinds and I dont care about you. I just want tobe the one to drop that red pill that makes your stomach sink cause this is Veeky Forums.

Again, I can cash out any time I want to.

Did you ever stop to consider that we're also investing in coins that we actually care about, that we believe will be important for how we conduct our day to day lives in the future?

Bitcoin is a parasite--it sucks up all the capital from the market because it has become a cultural icon at this point.

Glad it exists because it's made crypto possible, but I wish people would wake up and realize there are better options. They will eventually, and you'll see the king fall off his throne

I don't know what you are saying - are you implying that peoples crypto portfolios that do not contain bitcoin can't even gain a profit? What is wrong with you? I could have bought ARK yesterday for ETH, and right now it's up 26%. I could now trade that ARK back for ETH and sell that ETH for fiat. There's my profit. How is that hard to understand?

>you're retarded and everyone can see it
>making you money

Again, no substance, literally just insults.
You haven't actually responded to any of my points, just thrown insults.

It's because he's a buttcoin absolutist

I will never understand the mind set. Gaining sats would be a great idea if it wasn't a volatile shit coin in a bubble with proof of work technology that will require 1 nuclear power plant per node by 2020. And they call Arkies deluded.

Fiat is what matters in the world.
If you have less gains then bitcoin you did not loose money but missed out an oppertunity.

>I pay for that information

t. "gold member" of some pnd group

Nope, I'm holding alts instead of USD. I wouldn't hold many BTC right now. If I want to cash out of my alts I cash out through ETH straight to USD

Don't speak to altcoins
Don't touch altcoins
Don't look at altcoins
Don't befriend altcoins

>buy Y bitcoins at X price
>price raises by 20%
>cash out with 20% gains
At the same time
>buy Z shitcoins at W price for same amount of total money
>price raises by 50%
>cash out with 50% gains
Come on, OP, it's not that hard to understand.

B-B-B-BUT MAH SATOSHEES

could could could, but you havent and wont. you sound like an alocholic. Yup you can quit anytime. I bet you havent bought any more bitcoin recently eh. Just working with that intial investment ya? You have not taken out more than you put it and I bet my balls you have never pulled out fiat ever.

>Fiat is what matters in the world.
Continues to dump fiat into manopoly money cause muh fiat gains.

Are you just trolling or are you actually a fucking retard? There are arkies celebrating their gains right now as we speak.

Glad there are some actual rational perspectives.

The whole BTC or die mantra really perplexes me.
Can they really not see that BTC is going to have to address some major problems if it's going to survive? Or are they just pissed that ETH and friends actually threaten its dominance?

Yeah OP can't tell if troll or not.

Your BTC is also measured in fiat? Have you cashed out? Because if you haven't, you're setting a double standard for yourself. Literally no difference between you keep your BTC gains in crypto and me keeping my alt gains in crypto.

>you sound like an alcoholic
kek sick bro--you sound like an old dog who can't keep up

Need I remind you how unstable your precious BTC is? Need I remind you how fucking easy it is to orchestrate an attack on that piece of shit?

Is PND still around? Lel

Yes idiots need to win battles to keep fighting in the war. Who has ever lost it all in an alt trade? The shit is idiot proof. Its designed to keep you paying and playing.

I've quadrupled my BTC this year from alts, you keep talking like alts have been outperformed by BTC this year. BTC has been outperforming alts for a few months but hardly for the year as a whole.

It's no wonder alts crash every time btc moves, it's because idiots think in usd rather than sats.

Well, who cares, you're only making me richer.

You are so retarded, you picked the worst possible example for your argument. You picked Monero, which is the only cryptocurrency that has been more profitable than Bitcoin for like 95% of the time in which it existed.

You realize the market cap of crypto in general is still really low, right?

I don’t see why you wouldn’t put at least a little in.

> quadrupled my BTC this year from alts
Bitcoin goes up 10 fold. Gold star. Paticipation ribbon for you at this years special ed track meet.

>Bitcoin goes up 10 fold
4*10 is 40 fold brainlet.

He watched suppoman this morning. Thinks he's smarter than everyone here.

Congrats. You might be on track at hitting 1BTC by years end.

I'm at 9.6BTC.

Thats almost a down payment for a house if you could actually cash out. Looks like you are way ahead of your peers.

Its enough to purchase a 3 bedroom 2000+ square feet home where I live. Also already cashed out $15k earlier this year.

>invest 1k in 2015
>now have 100k

OMG OU FUCKING IDIOT YOU ACTUALLY LOOSE MONEY!!!

I only trade with ETH pairs and pull out fiat with ETH

BTC is a normie shitcoin

I cashed out 2x my initial profit my first 300% feels bad as fuck man

are you saying that people wont cash out until its too late and the market crashes?