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Anyone know good count-as Varghulf models?

the GW one looks pretty derpy with the pose

To answer your question, yes, vampires can be weak - if exposed to the sun, having not fed, exposed to daemonsbane, etc. The only consistent weakness is the blood thirst and the fallout from not drinking.

Even newborn vampires are as strong as a truly mighty warrior, with keener reflexes and senses to put wolves and hawks to shame. A vampire that has had some time to grow into his or her power is going to be beyond most mortals in single combat unless they know their opponent well, came prepared, and (usually) attack from ambush.

the future is bright

What is the lore explanation for the emergence of vampirism?

I really like how a lot of the Hero-followers you get in TWWH have their descriptions ripped from class descriptions in WFRP Hunter, Jailer, probably charcoal burner and ferryman too.

Still not a huge fan of that compressed map (Mostly Tilea and Estalia) but I sorta like some of it.

And the world and battle maps are pretty cool art-wise. (Though some of the ruins are scaled strangely in battle maps, like the towers that are just, unfeasibly tall.)

Also the minor settlements not counting as walled I can sorta understand from a gameplay standpoint, but it's very unfriendly to the lore where EVERY place has walls.

(Though other than the hunter description mentioning "Dark creatures" the came generally doesn't acknowledge beastmen, so maybe they're just not a thing and so walls are less common)

Okay, so way back in Ancient Not-Egypt, there was this asshole sorcerer named Nagash. He invented necromancy after torturing magic secrets out of dark elves, and also invented a way to be truly immortal.

Later, an autistic bitch queen of one of the city-states making up Not-Egypt copied the elixir, but imperfectly. The result were the vampires. Nagash came back and decided he was president now, and then the vampires lost a war with a bunch of regular mortal not-Egyptians. Nagash got so butthurt at this that he cursed vampires with a bunch of random fucking curses that show up to varying degrees and in varying arrangements.

The vampires fucked off out of not-Egypt and went all the fuck everywhere. Some settled in the Badlands and formed a new vampire city state that was actually well run. Queen bitch, who survived losing her city state, got angry at this and deliberately ruined everything from the safety of a dwarf hold she stole.

The Von Carsteins came to power way the fuck back when Vlad, their progenitor, married into the Von Drak family of Sylvania, killed his father in law, and also purged a bunch of other nobles. Literally no one cared because even an egomaniac vampire who sees humans like pieces of bread was better than the Von Draks.

>the came generally doesn't acknowledge beastmen
I've had an event where beastmen raided my cities explicitly

It's hard to tell if it was JUST an imperfect recreation of Nagash's formula, or if it was deliberately tinkered with because Neferata didn't want to look like a decrepit husk, and the blood thirst was considered an acceptable sacrifice.

Huh I've never had that yet. But yeah, they don't reat towns as walled (I think people complained about having to wall-siege EVERY settlement in earlier Total War games?), they have scenery villages with no walls on battle maps, and whatnot, this led me to assume that maybe Beastmen were less of a thing in their version of the universe.

(Also because a beastman faction would be confusing as fuck to implement, especially as a playable campaign)

I'm just starting Warhammer digitally. With the Lizardmen, the 1d4chan keeps saying that a good build for the Slann is to get the Standard of Discipline, but I don't know if it's viable since SoD removes Inspiring Presence for a +1 Ld (total 10 for Slann), and I'm already going to join him up with Temple Guards (maybe I'll use TG as a separate fighting unit).

here's my current 1500pt list

Slann -BSB (Scarecrow), Harmonic Convergence, Reservoir of Eldritch Energy, Light Lore, Channeling Staff
Skink Priest- Heaven Lore, lvl 1

(2x) 20 Saurus Warriors w/ Spears & Banner
(2x) 10 Skink Skirmishers w/ Javelins & shield

20 Temple Guards w/ Champion
Bastiladon w/ Solar Engine

>germany is bigger than the atlantis

Avatars of War Dire Harpy?

Canon was that Neferata's elixer was an improvement, according to Black Library.

Army book canon is just that it was altered. So she did it intentionally either way.
>All this hate for best Bloodline
Strigoi, go back to fucking sheepgheists in the backwoods.

So can anyone tell me the strength in lore of Vampires and if it's possible to have "weak" vampires?

>So can anyone tell me the strength in lore of Vampires
Strong enough to tear the heart out of the chest of a dragon and eat it, strong enough to cut off the heads of Greater Daemons in one swipe, and strong enough to punch through solid rock in anger without any pain. So really fucking strong, on par with the most powerful human sized bipedal beings in the setting AKA Chaos Champions.
That's not even going into their speed, the fact they ALL have a connection to magic so any can become a Wizard, and the fact that if someone wants to resurrect them they cannot be permanently killed.

>and if it's possible to have "weak" vampires?
Young Vampires, Vampires who haven't fed in a long time but haven't hit that level of starvation where they mutate into giant bat hulks, weak Vampires in the presence of Light magic, and I guess a regular poncy dumbass afraid to get his hands dirty who prefers to monologue instead of killing the Witch Hunter and doesn't know to dodge bullets.

Maybe you should download the Vampire Counts 8e Army Book in the OP copypasta and read it.

It isn't very long, and is far more accurate than we can be.

So were the negatives, like weakness to sunlight, were caused by Nagash's curse or the imperfectly copied elixir? Where did the blood thirst come from? Was also part of the curse?

technically it's Arkhan's elixer

Sunlight was Nagash, blood thirst was the elixir.

I love the Lahmians, Neferata is just a fucking moron and a terrible ruler.

The blood thirst was caused by the imperfect elixir. The other weaknesses - sun, silver, daemonsbane, reflections, running water, shadows, and others - were caused by Nagash.

Ushoran was literally a superior ruler in every conceivable metric, and if you'd only listened to him Nagash would be dead and the only Empire would be the vampire one.

Night's Dark Masters is better.

A werewolf maybe? One from reaper or even a skin wolf from forge world?

Warhammer digitally?

Any good 3rd party lizardmen models? Krox size or similar the current ones look horrible and the older ones are pretty pricey

Trying to buy pic related on ebay.

mfw 10 of them go for 75 $ not including the 20$ postage.

Just kill me already.

I know your pain bro...

Have you checked your local GW? They may have some still in stock.

Otherwise scalpers gonna scalp

>Have you checked your local GW? They may have some still in stock.

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Total war is so fucking good it should be illegal

>gw
>having anything other than AoS and Space Marines in stock

kek

Until just last week my local GW had both Bretonnia and TK army boxes in stock and few TK kits besides.

Neferata managed to out-Skaven the Skaven, and was by far the single most successful Vampire.

But yeah, Ushoran was objectively better. The problem with the Bloodlines is they cannot ally without Nagash forcing them to work together like an elementary school teacher.

Ral Partha has a line they just had a Kickstarter for. They aren't cheaper, but are metal so you are getting more for your money.

Reaper has some at VERY cheap prices, but not much variety and half the line is as a result of a Kickstarter that hasn't delivered yet.

Lucky.
Mine dumped all non-AoS/40k stock other than a handful of Dark Elves and Warriors a year ago.

Plastic boxes are one thing, metal models from 5th ed, that's a whooole different story m8.

Even if there is no Games Workshop or The 9th Age, there is still Creative Assembly.

Now that TW warhammer is out (and utterly amazing), do you think that GW might just ressurect fantasy battle as a specialist game? I mean, I know not everything can be salvaged but, maybe a chance would be nice to think of. I tried with AoS after getting into 8th edition end times, but I like the old world too much.

They would have to admit they were wrong, which is something they wont do

Yeah, basically this. They had a "Side Grade" elixir that gave them a blood dependency but let them look good whilst undead with no other side effects provided they kept themselves fed.

Then Nagash cursed them for betraying him.

They've got a new CEO who can probably get away with bashing Kirby's policies given enough time.

The only way I coukd see them doing it is if they said "Gentlemen, BEHOLD! Multiverse, both exist" and tied every model release into both games.
The official 9th edition would be simple like AoS without any attempts at balance, and would be just as free to download.

Realistically, if they were to axe Age then it would be years from now. They planned it for over a decade and have shit they WILL release no matter what. Besides, if Fant4stic and Batman V Superman can both get a sequel, Age will go on.

Yeah, but Abhorash figured out the cheat code to remove all vampire weakness is eating the heart of a dragon. Then he trained all his underlings wrong on purpose as a joke.

Kirby's still on as something or other, they couldn't get rid of him completely, and would be muscling in on the action were it not for his propensity for travelling around and Roundtree's tactic of only holding meetings with the company heads when Kirby's travelling.

>They planned it for over a decade
This is as proven as conspiracy theories.

youtu.be/YytWr-gbyOA

Miniwargaming guys are doing a Mordheim campaign.

Actually, there is something more substantial. Gav Thorpe's word on it.

Considering the man has only worsened Fantasy in everything he has done for it, I'd believe him as the herald of Age of Sigmar, trumpeting out his ass at its approach.

>Gav Thorpe's word on it
What you are refering to is an old interview. We had this discussion already a while back, and there is no proof the two things are related.
>the man has only worsened Fantasy
He only did good to fantasy, if anything it went downhill after he left.
I swear, newblood is the worst thing happened to fantasy since 5th ed.

Name one positive Thorpe ever did for Fantasy.

Now name, in your opinion, the worst thing he did.

youtu.be/wfYbgdo8e-8

>Humans are two people

What does this mean for Warhammer Fantasy? Is this something unique to humans?

one word: recasts m8

>cut in half the lizardmen domains
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
no, really, I understand why they had to resize stuff for the purpose of mantaining some form of uniformity of gameplay

Yeah, like anyone does fucking recasts in metal nowadays.
Also, that's two words.

My soulution would be bluestuff and greenstuff.
Buy all variations, and only one each. Then use bluestuff to make molds, greenstuff to make the models themselves. I did this with my 30 years war swedes/state troopers and it worked really well (pic related, the ones on the back are greenstuff, their pikes are some plastic, some wire, the helmets are metal).

I guess it works for any species with brains with two hemispheres.
Also, are you also suscribed to Kurzgesagt?

Yeah, Kurz is good shit.

>greenstuff to make the models themselves
>Greenstuff Longeards

My nostalgia is stronger than my jewishness, so I'll have to pass on that.
I can't really explain it, but I feel like those old models need to have some real weight to them.

>those old models need to have some real weight to them
I feel you bruh

Is this map very accurate?

Not that user but

>Positive
Grudge Bearer

>Negative
Instilling the idea that consistency doesn't matter because all that matters are major defining characteristics. While this might work in small scale, people like C.S. GOTO got hold of it

Pretty much, yes. At least the general locations are correct.

the Drakwald looks a bit too big

mfw I watched this half kilogram thing shatter into pieces after some sperg accidentally pushed it from the gaming table with his elbow

I can still hear his screams.

as far as warhammer fantasy maps go, yes

but I find myself using more and more this one gitzmansgallery.com/shdmotwow-full.html

there's nothing to laugh about user

kek

What's the source of that map? I guessed they would do an Empire thing and make two connected maps for the Old World and Lustria-Naggaroth.
It hurts even reading about it.

Close enough, a bit oversimplified in the "What is and isn't forested" sense.

>the Drakwald looks a bit too big
I think that's the Drakwald, Reikwald, Forest of Shadow, Great forest etc all rolled into one with no clear boundry.

With everyone talking about vamps, does anyone have good art on Blood Dragons, or something similiar. Most of the stuff I've found so far isn't all that great, mostly just very generic vampire lord stuff.

I'm going to make a Blood Dragon and his merry band of underlings the big bad in a Mordheim campaign and need inspiration for my guys.

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How do we exactly distinguish a blood dragon from your "generic vampire lord"?

Bro that's nothing, I saw a guy drop fucking metal Azhag while he was holding him to show off the paintjob and his friend pushed him from behind.
I never saw a man run that fast before, or after.

Well I dunno, their fluff says many of them pass as non-vampires and are solitary etc. Pretty much a dead giveaway if you ride into town wearing all the bat wings and skulls and having a hundred skellingtons holding your dick while you pee...

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I wouldn't be that sure about that

Because a lot of them are Brets.

You could just post Bretonnian knights. Only the oldest among them wear the bat armor because they don't give a fuck, like they are the Blood Dragon Longbeards.

So looking at Kaleb Daark's stats and profile. I'm wondering where I can find the information on what the runes on his armor do since the Warhammer Battle Magic pdf on Megaupload appears to be from a different edition.

as in "not physically"

>but it's very unfriendly to the lore where EVERY place has walls.
Then, build the walls yourself.

I find it a little hard to associate that fluff with the images I find

>mfw the AOS Archaon figure at my local shop got hit by a falling book from the shelf
>figure started to wobble, then fall
>hits the groud and explodes with the force of 1000 suns
>piece of painted plastic everywhere
>the Nurgle head is still missing

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thanks lads

You have made an excellent point.

Thank you user, you just made my day.

Also, let's post stories about breaking models.

>AOS Archaon

I'm not even remotely upset.

Is Mordheim discussion ok?

I've been working on making more warbands but can't find good models for Sisters of Sigmar. Mantic has those Sisterhood ones, but they're of that weird plastic resin crap. Reaper has various battle nuns, but they get expensive to ship to Yuro. Bones would be cheaper, but I don't like the material.

Also, Undead. Any good alternatives to GW zombies and ghouls? Mantic ones are rather skinny and Frostgrave seem to be shorter than GW models.

Thanks lad.

>>the Nurgle head is still missing
you mean Slaanesh head?

succesful empire campaign?

I'm in fucking stitches right now.

Yeah. I've been looking for Hammerers and Ironbreakers for ages. They're £24 minimum over here.

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Sisters is probably the hardest warband to find alternatives for, I've been searching for ages.
There was that indiegogo campaign for Warband-miniatures which got funded, but they apparently had to stop making miniatures...

The best bet is to git gud at greenstuff I'm afraid.

I thought he was the invincible Everchosen!

Blood Dragons were always the best Vampires.

I always had the totally original idea to make an undead Bretonnian army with a Blood Dragon general but I never got around to it.

Wasn't raging heroes doing space and fantasy battle nuns in a kickstarter?

So, how much has an average member of the Empire (so peasants, though city-dwellers would be nice to know) encounter an Elf? Specifically a Woof Elf? I get the impression that they'd be rarer than Wizards.

What about in Bretonnia? Do they see them as related to the Lady? Or do they see them as outsiders?

Wood elves are rarer than most elves, and don't like big human cities, where one tends to find elves of Ulthuan. They may be found in human settlements in the deep wild, but usually not as permanent residents - humans, especially rural humans, regard elves with wary respect and sometimes fear.

Bretonnians see the denizens of Athel Loren only when the situation is dire or they offend them. They do not draw a link between the wood elves and the Lady, and in fact regard them separate from the "fae" in general.

Yeah, but RH take FOREVER.

Shit, they fulfilled all the orders from the first KS but only a handful have made it to the shop yet.

>SCREAMING
>BOOKS

>Mordheim
>Vermintide
>Total Warhammer
>Man O' War

has the golden age of warhammer fantasy vidya arrived?