Are they the most dickish ''good guys'' in all fiction? And biggest retards as well

High Elves and Lizardmen are the only good guy factions in Warhammer.

High Elves are so boring that the setting would be improved by their not existing.

>not liking the metal version of Tolkiens elves

t. Malekith Barbossa

>worshipped an elf

Faction tiers:

God tier:
Skaven
Empire
Chaos Dwarfs

Great tier:
Chaos Undivided
O&G

Good tier:
Dark Elves
Vampire Counts

Low tier:
Dwarfs
Tomb Kings
Ogres
Wood Elves

Shit tier:
High Elves
Bretonnia
Lizardmen
Chaos Warriors only
Chaos Daemons only
Beastmen only

Do your knights ride dragons?

Didn't think so.

t. Imperial scum

Lords and heroes ride dragons. Dragon princes and silver helms (high elf knights) ride horses.

No our guy on a gryphon can kick the shit out of all your named characters and their dragons though

>>feudal system that even in the setting is considered outdated
>>no guns
>>some fucking lake whore is their main deity

The reason the top two are still around is because the Peasants in bretonnia are either degenerated inbred sloth creatures or utter morons. They utterly lack the basic human ability of even the most dim witted Imperial and countless attempts of Brets to educate them and discipline them gets them the wonderful Men-at-Arms and Yeomen. People JUST smart enough to stick the pointy end of a Halberd or ride a horse.

Bretonnians are basically a group of mostly sane smart people needed to lead a country of roundy superstitious mongoloids.

You know; like the middle ages. The difference between the Imperial nobility and the Bretonnian Nobility is Imperials treat warfare as a cute little pastime to earn laurels while Brets literally force their children into a life of brutal conquest and warfare.

what's so good about Dino Aztecs nigger?

t. knight

nice try but you should really buy some guns

They are like biological machines programmed for the sole purpose of fighting evil and maintaining balance in the world.

Oh really?

Come to Ulthuan and say that Imperial.

Are you forgetting who brought you civilization and taught you the art of Magic?

>Guns
>In a setting where the only reliable guns are dwarf ones and Longbows and Crossbows dramatically out range them.

Even in Imperial Armies, Crossbows and Longbows > Rifles.

That depends on what you're trying to kill.

According to Warhammer Fantasy wikia crossbowmen are only used if there are no handgunners around and bowmen are also used if there is not enough guns.

So you just pulled it out of your AIDS infested knightly ass fucking faggot.

Bret has more Lances than the Empire has rifles.

Why replace the lances?

Maybe he's talking about on the tabletop, except that handguns have armor piercing, so when your facing down guys fully enclosed in Chaos Armour, its a no-brainer.

Because your knights will often get blended by slow ass infantry blocks which are better engaged at range.

Tolkien elves are the metal version of Tolkien elves

Just like how S4 Armor pen guns with a terrible range will usually not halt those rolling deathstars so plitting from a much higher range is more cost effective with Huntsmen.

Are you seriously going to get super autistic here? Because Brets are a fucking 6th edition rulebook compared to Empire you fucking invalid.

I speak as a Dwarf player, though Quarrellers are usually better because they are cheaper with great-weapons. Though I see little advantage for Handguns in the Empire army either.

More expensive
Anti armor not a problem for Empire
Not as useful as Huntsmen.

What are you implying?

Those guys are pansies in comparison.

youtube.com/watch?v=Kl1rroJOZzw

>Brought Civilization
>Lizardmen.jpg

You're the one who brought up tabletop, not me.

I don't see them riding dragons or driving chariots that are drawn by white lions.

Yeah, Fingolfin etc. and all that. But come on. High Elves fought Chaos and saved the world and they have badass troops.

.... Actually I didn't.

In fluff Longbows and Crossbows DO outrange handguns.

But user, Tolkien's Elves already were Metal. In some cases way, way more Metal than High Elves, actually.

Par for the course for them in earlier ages was basically, being like that. They were incredibly warlike and more or less invented weapons for the purpose of waging vindictive warfare/paranoid self defense.

Fingolfin threw down with Morgoth and crippled him for fucksake.

MORGOTH.

Sure, he got pounded into the mud for doing it, but that was pretty much going to happen anyway. He still managed to seriously maim the source of all evil in creation (however diminished by that point) and the strongest creature at that point in Middle Earth by a country mile.

Also Feanor and his sons. What they did with that oath was deeply stupid, but by many measures, also "Fucking Metal as Fuck".

Dwarfs also fought chaos.

Daily reminder Grimnir sacrificed himself in fighting up on the feet of the chaos gates.

And all that doesn't make High Elves less metal.

Detachment rules singlehandedly make handgunners pretty stronk.

Also napoleonic empire armies absolutely ransack chaos warriors, they're boringly effective

> High Elves
> good guys

You forget, that in WHFB, High Elves are also racist c**** like the Eldar. Maybe, not that strong like the Eldar, but still, they are.

Either way, if you look closely among the factions in WHFB, noone are really the good guys. Maybe, not strong and overshown like in 40K, but still, there is no real good guy.

There is nothing wrong with being racist.

How are high elves racist?

They taught humans magic, they had a few scraps with the dwarves but they buried the hatchet and faught alongside them against armies of greenskins.

High elves saved the world from the forces of Chaos. They are undoubtedly a force for good in the world.

Well, afaik, High Elves FB also have a "superior or masterrace complex", where they think, every other race is a lower being than them. Actually, a few (if not even all) High Elves think, they should rule over every other race.
But usually, they tend to muture such thoughts.
On the other hand, that make Dark Elves a little bit more sympathic, cause they aren't hypocritical like their "good" brothers.

Its nice to see that we are all having a civil, polite discussion in these completely necessary and productive thread.

The empire has plenty of heroic and idealistic people, there's just plenty of assholes too. It's legit like real life rather satire (usually but not always, plenty of satire in WHFB over the years) like 40k where humanity are essentially space Skaven

>good guys
>anything but the itzatecah

Bretonnians' have guns m8. Just have to go far enough back...

>Maanan.
>Not BASED STROMFELS.

Nigga, it's like you want me to feed you to the fuck huge Great white shark of the sea.

This thread is fucking stupid and everyone posting in it is stupid. You're all just butt frazzled that you aren't pussy ravaging European knights in a fantasy setting. Fucking sage.

Guns are for imperial faggots with weak ass gods that don't even show up to every battle. None of the empires greatest foes have guns, and they get a fair share of victories. Absolutely disgusting that people think the bretonnians can't beat the empire without guns, but have no problem when orcs, mauraders and beastmen do it consistently. If anything, bretonnia is best suited to taking out empire armies. A
>reliable air force that can take out artillery and sky borne generals
>army wide magical protection from everything from arrows to canon balls
>no fear of guns
>more magic users with nature oriented powers can summon rain and fuck up black powder armies

The only way the empire is going to win is if the brets don't have the blessing, or if they beat them like men in hand to hand combat

>Unless we have socialist knights that redistribute the wealth, but then it's even more retarded.
This was kind of a thing around 3000 years ago.

my impression is if you aren't Chaos, somehow connected to Chaos (Dark Elves, Undead) or retardedly savage like the Greenskins, you're good guy. You can be shitty to your underclass, racist, xenophobic, or pathetic, but its irrelevant in this setting.

You're really good guy if you fight Chaos a lot, which I believe is a role The Empire fills.

Not-a-history-buff, whom did this?

The Roman grain dole is at least one example.

One form of helping the poor does not a socialist equestor ordo make.

>Yeah, Fingolfin etc. and all that. But come on. High Elves fought Chaos and saved the world and they have badass troops.
>saved the world

The world was destroyed retard.

Meanwhile Fingolfin punched Satan so hard he gave Satan a permanent limp.

>acknowledging the end times
>calling others retards

> in all fiction

guts is like 1000x the dickish good guy these guys are

>bretonnia with bombards and handgonnes
Yes please!

But also: did brettonia have models and rules back in the old olden days?

>Waaaaaaaaaah

Shut up, Nerd

Bretonnia is the best faction of the setting because FUCKING KNIGHTS HOLY SHIT.

Seriously its basically a medieval European power propelled in the setting, with only a few fantasy elements added. And they STILL manage to kick a decent amount of ass.

Empire is great too because they are human (hfy) and they have gunz when everyone else relies heavily on magic and dragons and shit.

Elves are... Meh. Boring as usual.
>perfect looks
>long lifespan
>martial skills

Also got it. There is no "good guys" unique faction.

>it's canon I say
Shut up, nerd

I'm a little out of the loop for fantasy but do people actually acknowledge that the end times happened? I thought it was just a gw meme, like the whole renaming of the imperial guard.

Only AoS fanboys (who may or may not be redshirt themselves) acknowledge the End Times

Yes, generally

I like Bretonnians...

They're not even the most dickish in their own setting.

>implying

>hating ogres ,bretons and dorfs

>having a discussion about which race is better
>well I don't like those guys because they're racist

Fucking lefties.

WHFB has much clearer right/wrong distinctions. even though all factions have dickish sides to them, the "good guys" aren't also genocidal regressive nuts like in 40k.

Empire, High Elves, Dwarfs, Wood Elves, Tomb Kangz, and Lizardmen are the goodguys of WHFB. Bretonnia was the most morally grey, and probably a reason GW decided to give them the axe as Age of Sigmar is very much a good vs evil deal.

High Elves are a lot nicer than Eldar. I don't see High Elves destroying the entire Old World if it saved the life of a single elf. Eldar would legit do that.

Tomb kings and ogres were the morally grey ones - Bretonnia was clear-cut into the forces of order.

How a 1100-era feudal army is meant to compete with a 30 years war-era army of tercio's and artillery I do not know.

>MFW OP is a faggot elves.
Come get me bro. I'm the herald of the lady.
Intercourse thyself.

Each of my glorious knight is worth a thousand blond fags

Why is your ass so green fag elf, did you happen to get fucked by one of our ghost ?

With the blessing of an elfen goddess.

HIGH CHIVALRIC VIOLENCE.
and because the empire is between them and most of the baddies.

I don't say. GW does. And it's their setting.

Now stop being a salty muffin.

>I don't see High Elves destroying the entire Old World if it saved the life of a single elf.

>what is the fall of the city of the wolf?

>IT'S CANON, [appeal to authority]

Shut up, nerd

It says a lot when a goddess prefers to bless human lances rather than their own race's.

>it says a lot when a goddess uses stupid humans to do what she wants
FTFY

You are vastly underestimating the role magic plays for those knights.

But what am I saying, probably a bunch of HFY fags.

No you. Learn2fallacy.

And we are not arguing about a subjective thing. This is a statement of objective fact. End Times is the canon and GW is the owners of the IP made it so. You are saying it's not canon is the FEELS fallacy. I just invented it.

Keep the salt coming doe.

>probably a bunch of HFY fags
Nah just shitposting

The Brets served well as meat shields and toys for the Elves.

I have no idea why anyone would want to play such an anti-HFY/cuck faction. The pretty colors?

They don't.

The situation between the Empire and Bretland is the same as with the Imperium and the Tau. If the Empire isn't beset by all sides and within by its enemies, then they would have crushed the Brets ages ago.

Man I love the new Wild Riders, a shame their horns look retarded so I have to reconstruct them so they look like actual elks

Everybody hates the Empire because they're cunts.

>then they would have crushed the Brets ages ago.
then how come brettonia can beat the empire in an open battle?

Brets are tactically as good as the empire, but the latter has much more manpower available.

>then how come Tau can beat the Imperium in an open battle?

Because the Empire/Imperium's armies are divided facing a lot other threats from within and without.

so bretonnia have a numerical advantage in all field battles?

Depends on how much the Empire spares to throw at them.

>And we are not arguing about a subjective thing
Yes, we're arguing whether people acknowledge it or not, not whether GW does.

People can do whatever the fuck they want with what they're given, only retards like you try to force canon when there's no real reason nor desire to.
The IP has also been given to CA and there the end times don't happen in the same way, now what stops people from treating that as canon for their discussions rather than what GW churned out apart from your arbitrary definition of what is canon?

Maybe one day people will eat shit because you say they should, but not today, nerd.

they didn't even conquer the land that became bretonnia in their golden age of expansion, and after that the only time the empire was strong was Between the rule of Magnus and Karl Franz. For most of its history the empire was divided, and it was only recently that the empire had trained wizards at all. The empire during most points of its history would be extremely hard pressed to stop a full bretonnian crusade composed of hundreds of thousands of knights. Fully motivated, the Bretonnian knights crushed the empire of Araby in 2 years. That kind of force directed at the empire would be akin to the ravages of Gorthor, or WAAAAGH Gorbad. Its rather insulting that people can see orcs, goblins or beastmen devastating the empire, but can't see an army of Knights that negate most advantages of black powder doing the same.

And if the empire tried invading bretonnia, it gets even worse for them. Now they have to deal with hordes of peasants on top of the knights defending their homes, and the magic of the land itself.