Welcome everyone, new and old players alike! This is Tundra civ, a civ thread series in a fictional, non-fantasy setting where you play as the rulers of the White Republic, a nation in a world similar to our own. Check out the pastebin for story, technologies, stats etc (updating it right now) pastebin.com/t7gWa2pa And an archive of previous threads if you want to skim through some of them. archive.4plebs.org/_/search/boards/pol.tg/subject/Civ/username/Civ bulgar/page/1/ Previously on Tundra civ: We've dealt with internal issues in the last few years, making administrative reforms, improving the economy and investing a lot of money into ongoing special scientific projects. Scientists have also formulated a hypothesis that life in our world - one of two natural satellites to a gas giant - is in fact not native to this planet. It is the year 1193 After the Exile.
>Economy:9//10 >Food stockpiles:8/10 >Food production: 8/10 >Political Stability:8/10 >A.Exploration >B.Food production & Population growth >C.Improve religion/culture >D.Settle new lands >E.Construction >F.Improve Military >G.Research science >H.Improve Navy >I.Improve economy >J.Regional development >K.Diplomacy and war >L.Government and laws
Jack Ramirez
Rolled 44 (1d100)
Last time there was a split decision on the issue of research - one that was decided on was electrical engineering, the other was a three-way split between what I'm rolling to determine now 1-33 Rocket science 34-66 Nuclear research 67-100 Various sciences
Henry Jenkins
Nuclear science has been advancing as various institutes across all four continents work tirelessly. It seems the Kaichou are also making good progress, being at our level in theoretical physics and chemistry, though we have more materials and funding to play around with when making practical experiments. Scientists believe the energy released in a controlled nuclear fission reaction can be harnessed to generate massive amounts of power, which can potentially have many uses. This research continues and we are investing heavily into it, any further government effort would most likely yield little result - with time we will gain more.
Jason Anderson
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Justin Jackson
In terms of technological development, we are around 1939 right now
Chase Martinez
Good seeing you again bulgar-kun.
Unfortunately I can't stick around, got stuff to do. >C.Improve religion/culture
Carson Clark
>C.Improve religion/culture
Nice to see you back OP, was worried you'd fell off the earth.
Jaxon Moore
Finished updating the pastebin, included the Main Story's progression(The Spires etc.), technologies and government changes So, C it is - what direction shall it be in? A.The Arts B.Religion C.State Propaganda D.Sports E.A new Wonder F.Something else
Anthony Long
B.Religion
Isaac Ortiz
>E.A new Wonder Let us make a monument to look up to the stars to define it as our manifest destiny. Damn it feel good to vote again how is everyone doing?
Kevin Richardson
I would appreciate if you would change your vote good sir, that we might progress
Connor Bell
Rolled 2 (1d2)
Same thing for you so let's just toss a coin. if it's 1 you win if it's 2 i do.
Carter Flores
Fair enough. Your go I guess, I forfeit my vote ()
Angel Wood
Don't worry we'll build temple on the other moon of the gas planet sometime
Nathan Brown
Bulgar you still there? Come on don't pull a leavearoo like last time when we get a tie.
John Foster
Shit man, playing Warhammer Total War while waiting for more posts, The Everchosen just invaded, the End Times are coming. Anyway, back to this. The Faith has been strengthened as old temples have been restored, new cathedrals have been built, radio is employed widely. Most chinks in our lands have also accepted the faith of Ancestral Elementalism, becoming closer to us. The chinks have had their own animalistic, celestial and monotheistic religions over the centuries. Aside from the 27~ million living in our lands, there are another 60~ milllion in the SA and NPU, some of which have also accepted our religion, while others are either sticking to their native faiths or have taken to worshipping the Kaichou God-Emperor.
>Economy:9//10 >Food stockpiles:8/10 >Food production: 8/10 >Political Stability:8/10 >A.Exploration >B.Food production & Population growth >C.Improve religion/culture >D.Settle new lands >E.Construction >F.Improve Military >G.Research science >H.Improve Navy >I.Improve economy >J.Regional development >K.Diplomacy and war >L.Government and laws
Samuel Collins
>F.Improve Military We ought to maintain our superiority. >playing Warhammer Total War I bought it yesterday, didn't download it yet though bulgar, it came with as an AMD code as a gift because I bought a new computer. I'll download it and once exams are over we ought to play multiplayer sometime
Wyatt Martin
Let's speed it up a bit since there's few posters so far. Military improvement time.
40 000 rangers 30 000 Maargard 40 000 Stormborn 40 00 Blitzkriegers 20 000 cavalry 400 tanks 850 000 Infantry 2500 combat aircraft Artillery corps All adult males are trained to be part of the militia, minorities included. They act as a reserve that is mobilized when needed to act as a reserve, reinforcing all regular regiments. >Equipment: semi-automatic pistol, revolvers,bolt-action rifles,bayonets, field artillery, various machine guns, submachine guns Circa 1937 in military, a bit behind civic tech Pick two directions to improve for this turn A.Light armament and infantry B.Heavy armament - artillery and tanks C.Air force D.Special forces E.Military command, logistics, tactics F.Other
Ayden Powell
>F.Improve Military
I feel we should attempt to create biological and chemical weapons rather than nuclear ones. As they are easier to stockpile and cheaper to produce but i feel we should still advance nuke tech where possible.
Tyler Myers
>A.Light armament and infantry we should have actual assault rifles >C.Air force long distance bombing.
Thomas Nguyen
B. D.
Ian Hernandez
B and C.
Henry Johnson
E.Military command, logistics, tactics B.Heavy armament - artillery and tanks
Joseph Richardson
shiftingto B and C It seems likely that tanks and artillery will win, but if we go for artilerry better have good air support to recon enemy positions.
Cooper Rodriguez
Personally I think that better tanks and aggresive assualt corps will be more useful then air power. While air power is needed, a higher priority should be placed on forward assault.
Brayden Green
B & C get it Tank designs have evolved and the latest generation of armor comes in a larger variety, with light, medium and heavier tanks, while a variety of other mechanized forces are being pioneered. The air force has been improved, becoming better institutionalised as a separate branch of the military - the White Republic Airforce. The latest generation of combat aircraft are metal-clad monoplanes with machineguns, cannons, rockets and bombs. Various designs exist - interceptor and multi-role fighters, light, medium and heavy bombers. The military is also employing transport planes - currently being used for air-dropped supplies, with some minor experiments being conducted into aerial deployment of troops.
>Economy:9//10 >Food stockpiles:8/10 >Food production: 8/10 >Political Stability:8/10 >A.Exploration >B.Food production & Population growth >C.Improve religion/culture >D.Settle new lands >E.Construction >F.Improve Military >G.Research science >H.Improve Navy >I.Improve economy >J.Regional development >K.Diplomacy and war >L.Government and laws
Evan Young
>H.Improve Navy obviously we refit all in one go You underestimate the situational advantage of artilerry against all defensive position, Tanks and artilerry are not to be thinked one against another but together. exemple: >enemy is taking defensive position over a hill >an air raid destroy their artillery >we setup our own and breach their defenses >tanks charge with infantery and escort them to infiltrate the defensive position You see it's all teamwork when you ask me to value one over the other it's a bit crazy because in reality we need all, the only reason i choose C is for deployement of bombs, tanks,troops and supplies with the capability to strike virtually anywhere and scout at long distances. It's something that tanks can't do but without tanks our infantery would be fucked, so let's say that i'm happy with our choices.
Noah Watson
A mixture of D and J. Rebuild and settle the ruins of Vajni.
Asher Carter
>H.Improve Navy
Nicholas Ramirez
And now for naval improvement
>Navy:4 dreadnoughts,14 battleships,33 cruisers,85 destroyers,25 submarines,1 aircraft carrier;steam transports,medium seaplanes ,quality sailors, Stormborn, the Admiralty Pick one area to focus on A.Naval aviation and aircraft carriers B.High-seas fleet - a new generation of battleships to rule the waves C.Lighter vessels and submarines D.Focus on training our officers and sailors and developing better strategies E.A bit of everything
Dominic Ward
G
SCIENCE
Carson Young
If we focus on the Air Force to a point where we rely on it more then ground forces to take enemy positions then we won't be in a good position. Artillery, heavy armor and soldiers can still take an enemy position unless if it is in the most extreme of climates. Aircraft would be useless in a stormy environment.
Jason Cox
E
Elijah Torres
A Aircraft carriers are the future.
Ryder Sanders
E.
Joseph Smith
E.A bit of everything
Hudson Sanders
>A.Naval aviation and aircraft carriers If we invested in aircraft might as well make it worth a while. I think Vajni's geographical location is not exactly the best and adapting an antique city to modernism might cost more than building an new one, it's probably wiser to build a city to the south near the equator, the aded industry near a region where aircraft can be built will help us reach space. Point taken, althrough i'm not arguing that planes can support troops alone that's why i choose A at first then B, I do realize that we can't let our infantery like a hanging pawn.
Parker Russell
Rolled 98, 73 = 171 (2d100)
A major investment into naval reforms! We will focus equally on all areas in order to modernise our navy and surpass the Kaichou in all areas. Unrelated to the naval reforms, rolling for events 1. World event 2. Internal politics revent High is good for us
Sebastian Fisher
>1. World event >98 HOLY SHIT did we just receive a message from the other moon?
Austin Jones
Vajni does sit in between a number of other cities and if it was rebuilt then it would serve as a major hub of transportation. There is also a symbolic meaning in rebuilding Vajni. It was once the largest city of our enemy but we tore it to rubble. Rebuild the city in our image and we will be seen as not just conquerors but also builders. The Romans themselves rebuilt Carthage and it went on to be a huge focal point of the empire. Even Justinian considered moving the capital from Constantinople to Carthage.
Isaiah Torres
>There is also a symbolic meaning in rebuilding Vajni. It was once the largest city of our enemy but we tore it to rubble. Rebuild the city in our image and we will be seen as not just conquerors but also builders. good point i will support your cause now but let's change the name and make it an industry focused City that will work in areospacial kindda like houston and then ship the rockets part to Atania for launch.
Alexander Edwards
That is illogical. We have cleared the needed sections of the city to allow for passage. Therefore nullifying that advantage.
As to the symbolic meaning to rebuilding Vanji. No, we lack the reason to do so as we have previously proved ourselves to be builders and conquerors. Thus I see no reason to destroy a unending example to our armed forces history and our nations unending will to never be challenged.
Sebastian Wright
The NPU has been obeying the terms of the surrender after the Great War, having no army to speak of. They are struggling with their economy with such a large population confined to a smalll territory. Internal political strife has mostly subsided as a pro-white government has taken over and stabilized the country. It appears the new ruling elite has knowledge of the Organisation they can give us and call for a diplomatic assembly of the four nations in New Millport, Eyerdar. A.Accept B.Decline
Andrew Brown
A
Logan Allen
A.Accept
However I want a representative to go in, seeing as we have radio, and thus can communicate without risking our own deaths in some sort of terrorist attack.
Alexander Sanders
>A.Accept We can't say no to a 98, we have an opportunity to literally peacefully dominate the World, can't let it slide. War is our curse and destiny but what if we broke this wreteched Fate? What if all of mankind acknowledge our position of relative superiority and agreed to work under one flag, our flag, we cannot say no even if we must destroy them we must let them hope, for all hope even desperate is not without worth.
Jacob Adams
A.
If we rebuild Vajni then it will be a hub of transportation and therefore turn into a center for manufacturing such as automobiles for example. Building over Vajni can even be seen as a second conquest since we would be ereasing the Pajit all but in the history books. We could even have a portion of the city filled with Pajit ruins to serve as a reminder.
Nolan Kelly
Why would it be a hub for transportation? We already have the needed infrastructure for all of our transport needs built in and around the ruins of that god damn city. Building a city there would only lower the capabilities of the network in that area.
As to auto-mobiles, how can you promise the presence of an industry when it is impossible to state it will move there (excluding the gov-owned ones).
Lastly, it wouldn't be a second conquest as we would merely destroy the ruins and that would be it. The only resistance would come from the archaeologists whom are the reason the city was preserved in first place (and to serve as a reminder).
Why have a portion of the city as ruins when we can just build around the ruined city for god sake. We don't need to destroy their ruins, just build around the things!
Landon Martinez
It would serve as a manufacturing hub since it lays in between a number of other cities. If all the railroads in the south and east of the grand river link up there then it will encourage people to live there and for manufacturers to set up residence there. Eventually companies would move there since it their products are easy to move there. That's why cities like Detroit and Buffalo were major auto manufacturers, they sat at important points at the Great Lakes.
Gavin Hill
As the diplomatic conference is held on our territory, security measures are completely on-spot. The President has arrived with an entourage of all four Elemental Orders and his aides. A member of the Kaichou Imperial Court leads their group, the Sunset Alliance has also sent representatives. The Head Statesman of the New Pajit Union, Lajmur Sivdig, leads his own delegation to the New Millport diplomatic conference of 1194. After all the beginning formalities are done with, the NPU presents its offer. "We have information on the Organisation that would be extremely valuable to you and we wish to end hostilities between our states, but for that we must also gain something - we wish to have parts of the territory we surrendered in the war back. Our population - over 50 million people - are struggling. We need more living space to sustain ourselves. We are open to negotiating on the specifics, of course - we would be willing to fund any costs for citizens of your nations that would want to move out of those territories. If we can reach a mutually beneficial agreement on this conference, we can build a better and more peaceful world." How shall we proceed with the negotiations? A.Be lenient - we can afford to spare land, this is a chance to make an ally out of them B.Be tough - we'll give as little as possible C.Go for a moderate offer that they will easily accept D.Demand to make the NPU a client state in return for territorial grants E.Demant to make the NPU a client state without any territorial changes F.Push aggressively to get the information first(may or may not succeed)
Brayden Gutierrez
F.
Justin Myers
I don't disagree with that but you are assuming two things;
1) That we aren't already fulfilling the want for cars in our nation, which is quite likely considering the period and general lack of consumerism in our nation.
2) That the Kaichou and sunset alliance don't produce most of the worlds want for cars thanks to their looser and generally worse laws on workers rights, health and safety, etc.
Christopher Watson
>D.Demand to make the NPU a client state in return for territorial grants It is normal that they become a satelitte state and abide our ideology if they choose to fight with us. To test if they're trustworthy , we must test if they're loyal.
Jason Brown
C.Go for a moderate offer that they will easily accept
We don't want to make a Hitler, do we?
Brandon Williams
We do actually
Christian Wright
I mean outside of our nation motivated to treat us like France, Britain and Luxembourg combined.
Mason Diaz
C
James Bennett
After a day of deliberations and negotiating the details, we've settled on a new territorial rearrangement most are happy with. Any remaining reparations will go on to cover the costs of these changes, for now the NPU remains a demilitarised state. Lajmur Sivdig has now presented us with the information he promised "The Organisation has four leaders remaining. They have always been communicating by proxy and have held great sway over various political circles - both capitalists and the communists at the InSoGue, which was practically their junior organisation. Many of the InSoGue's leadership have been arrested - a split among the socialists has led the more moderate ones to accepting the current government, while the radicals still resist. Many are in hiding or are leading guerilla forces, with which the NPU police is having trouble due to the limits we have imposed on them. The Organisation has indeed held great sway over the pajit - both in their imperial days and in the newer era of the NPU. They are now on the run, reports have shown that the radicals have left their headquarters in Paitras in a heavily armed convoy where some believe the Four themselves may be." As relationships have improved, the NPU has agreed to co-operate with us in any actions we would be willing to take against enemies of their state, so long as said actions do not infringe upon the NPU's sovereignty. News of successful peace negotiations are well recieved around the globe.
>Economy:9//10 >Food stockpiles:8/10 >Food production:8/10 >Political Stability:9/10 >A.Exploration >B.Food production & Population growth >C.Improve religion/culture >D.Settle new lands >E.Construction >F.Improve Military >G.Research science >H.Improve Navy >I.Improve economy >J.Regional development >K.Diplomacy and war >L.Government and laws
Liam Long
>K.Diplomacy and war time to catch and confront those fleeing cowards and destroy them. This time there's no retreat no surrender for them.
Christian Bell
K.
Justin Hernandez
>K.Diplomacy and war
Let us end this, once and for all.
Anthony Barnes
Armed forces are being dispatched towards the radicals' positions. 1 of 3 possibilities 1-33 They get away 34-66 Someone else gets to them 67-100 We catch up
Oliver Lopez
Rolled 94 (1d100)
Don't be too optimistic eitheir, the Kaichou cell still stand. you forgot your roll here have one
Eli Jenkins
Rolled 14 (1d100)
There was supposed to be a dice roll to determine it
Michael Barnes
Well this sure in a inky situation
Connor White
bulgar use this roll
Oliver Long
>mfw i roll a 94 before you >mfw i literally rollblocked the nose NO ESCAPE
Austin Rogers
We didn't make it in time - reports say the convoy was a sizable one, made up of trucks, armored cars, light tanks loaded up with heavily armed soldiers. They blasted through the NPU police forces that tried to slow them down and escaped somewhere into the Eye of Sand Second roll now, I'll let the next reply to this post determine what happens, the DC is 50 - above it will be better for us.
Jacob Hughes
Rolled 95 (1d100)
welp let's try to make it right now.
Jacob Clark
Oh that's a shame that you forgot your role, looks like we'll have to go with Obelix's, terribly sorry about that old chap.
Brandon Williams
>Second roll now, I'll let the next reply to this post determine what happens
Christian Jenkins
Godamn Obelix, you are like the anti-Inky.
Christian Peterson
JESUS CHRIST MY LUCK THIS WEEK I SWEAR. got the best subject on one of my exams and now this, I should buy a lotery ticket.
Xavier Peterson
Just buy stocks and attempt to rob a bank, there is a 30 percent success rate or a DC of 70. Can you do it?
Also, proof that luck is never a dump stat.
Jaxon Peterson
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Carter Gutierrez
Well, I didn't expect a roll that high. Over 50 would've been them getting away and dissapearing for a while, but two rolls in the 90s means Kek demands a confrontation. Strike Force Otter has spotted an unidentified armored convoy - they have refused to identify themselves and have opened fire on us! The two forces are of similar composition, geared for long-range travel, highly mechanized and equipped for desert conditions 2500 vs 1500 Roll 2v2 rolls for start
Colton Rodriguez
Rolled 31 (1d100)
Never tell me the odds of rolling over 90 again
Parker Harris
Rolled 22 (1d100)
James Kelly
That is ironic. You should have robbed a bank while it lasted
Anthony Clark
well that didn't last. well prison are hotel in France i wouldn't even have to skip threads but with this luck i'd have failed a DC 70 or just about any DC.
let's hope they can survive until they get reinforcements.
Luis Cox
While those aren't all that good for us, I still need 2(TWO) more rolls, this time to determine the enemy's performance. Pray to Kek.
David Robinson
Look at this this way; lighting yourself on fire has a 75% chance to kill you on average. Thus although you would have succeeded in death, he () would have failed.
Nicholas Rodriguez
Rolled 67 (1d100)
I'll roll even though now i'm scared of my own luck. I value courage over life.
Tyler Sullivan
Rolled 92 (1d100)
White commander, standing by!
Nathaniel Thompson
Rolled 6 (1d100)
Wyatt Watson
God dammit Obelix, you'll get us dammed to a thousand years of darkness if you keep this up.
Joseph Diaz
There's still life, there's still hope! we can survive until reinforcement come even if we are against the odds. Don't give up! We're at a numerical advantage , we only need a radio contact!
Jaxon Young
53 vs 159 - that's exactly 1:3 The enemy cought us in surprise and they are packing surprising amounts of firepower! Their tanks are a lot stronger than they look, their coordination is great and their infantry is using powerful weapons, some of which are making short work of our own armor! In a short amount of time the enemy is absolutely overwhelming our positions! We will attempt to call in reinforcements and hold our positions until then - the foe has the initiative now. 2000 vs 1400 1 roll for us, 2 for them
Jason Gray
Rolled 41 (1d100)
This is where we stand.
Leo Richardson
Rolled 46 (1d100)
Isaac Adams
Rolled 42 (1d100)
Andrew Murphy
Rolled 45 (1d100)
Oliver Sullivan
I am going to stop rolling for the rest of the night, lovely seeing you all.
Jonathan Ramirez
41vs88(almost 1488 kek) We've managed to access radio channels and have communicated our present situation. Reinforcements are on the way, we just need to hold out for a bit more Also, dem 40s 1600 vs 1250 1v2
Robert Edwards
Rolled 21 (1d100)
at least it's not 1:3 anymore more like 1:2. Let's hope we can keep holding on and call reinforcement, even locating them would be useful and allow another stike team to move in if Strike Force Otter get wiped out. They we can let them run and fight but we can't let them escape.
Isaiah Adams
Rolled 32 (1d100)
Hunter Wright
Rolled 30 (1d100)
Noah Cruz
1:3 again, we're not winning this battle, let's hope planes can help us some time soon, carpet bombing on their position would be useful. Also why did i brag about my luck don't i ever learn anything about luck?
Cameron Hughes
Rolled 2 (1d3)
21-62 The battle slowed down as a sandstorm arrived. When it ended, reinforcements were a couple of minutes away, but the enemy had gotten away. We lost 1000 men in this engagement to 300 of the enemy's. We will attempt pursuit now 1-Something bad 2-They get away and dissapear for a while 3-We catch up
Jayden Brown
It's better than our troops defecting i guess, plus we actually get to steal their tanks for analysis of their equipement. Let's hope find them again, it won't be hard to locate them now that we found them once.