Elves know that their race is in decline and one day they, and all their achievements, will disappear from this world

Do it faggot

It's just as possible your dad is a dick

The elves are dealing with humans, not orcs.

That's an excellent way to start a knife fight

youtube.com/watch?v=_Gbtm-93oqE

user, there's also the possibility he wasn't aware of what he was doing. Don't jump to conclusions.

While I agree with this guyYou should still call him just in case.

I want to make an elf proud!

Call your father regularly. The man fed and clothed you.

My dad drank a bottle of vodka on the daily

>tfw you became your father

Yeah, I didn't realize how abnormal the incoherent crying on the couch thing was until I was older.

>The man did the bare minimum required of a father
gj brah

Try it sometime.

There's plenty of dad's who don't make that cut, user. I've been unfortunate enough to know a few.

Make me :^)

And those are called deadbeats and are scorned as fuck

Being a parent isn't easy. And most people are ready for it at all.

I work with kids and have had parents that tell me they're proud they managed to get their kids shoes on.

>fulfills the bare minimum
>is a father
>hurr he did the bare minimum so he shouldn't be treated like one
Daddy issues is easily the single greatest indicator of obnoxious fuckwits.

>I did the bare minimum of what is expected of me, where's my medal and complimentary blowjob!?

Millennials.

>>Elves are basically the dad who tells you that you can't do anything, even though he knows you'll one day be the man he never was
My father did that and now I have massive self-stem and trust issues because shitting on me and everything I did was all he did.

>Make me

Make you a dad? At least offer me dinner first.

>Treat like a father
Just because you barely scrape by into the category of "successful parent" does not mean you are deserving of eternal adulation.

>Millennials can't handle kids
spank them
corporal punishment exists for a reason

If you have to hit your kids, you have failed as a father.

>If you have to hit your kids, you have failed as a father.
And millennials wonder why they can't get their kids to put their shoes on

They don't need to worry.
We'll spend a good amount of time impgrenating their women and mixing our races (obviously human blood will be dominant since we breed so much faster), so their legacy will live on through us and we will inherit their superior traits while combining them with our own human ingenuity and innovativeness.

Now bend over and get ready to have another baby fucked into you, I don't care if you aren't used to a species that can successfully get you pregnant more then once every century or so.

>corporal punishment
Only if you want to get arrested for child abuse.

Nah, I turned out fairly obedient, and nobody hit me.

So you have a natural predisposition for being submissive and obedient. Boy, I bet your professor loved you.

>Spanking your child is considered child abuse in some states

Good for your dad user, I'm sure he had to spend hours trying to get you to put your shoes on, unless you just agreed, in which case, I doubt you have any sort of backbone

>physical discipline is the same as beating your kids
Kids are smart enough to push the limits and WILL call you on your bullshit by ignoring you.
Seriously, spanking is about rebuking the kid, not hurting them. Calling someone a failure of a parent for slapping your kid on the ass for trying to crayon the couch for THE THIRD TIME just shows how little you've had to do with kids.

>this nigga thinks people don't put on their shoes

Literally never heard of this being a problem, m80. I put on my shoes because the ground was sharp and shit.

If you had to hit your kid it's because you lacked the authority that you needed to have them obey you. You shouldn't be in that situation in the first place. You need to teach your child who is in charge and make sure they know it.

We're not talking about the wearing the shoes, we're talking about the process of getting the little bastards into their fucking $299.99 Toddler Tyke™ sneakers.

Spanking the kid IS establishing authority you fucking nancy.

My mom used emotional manipulation to make my dad and all of the kids live in abject fear and self-loathing. No violence, just guilt.

Why did you spend three hundred dollars on shoes? That's absurd; you can buy rifles for less than that.

You're right user I was lying, I really just got some rags and tied them onto their feet.

Shows cost like, thirty bucks.

Dope. That, or go buy the shoes from dead kids at the thrift store.

Which is why don't go to the theatre.

>Spanking is wrong
Sit 4 year old Johnny down and tell him not to strangle cats because it's wrong, see how long he'll wait before he's beating them again
Beat his ass cherry red with a belt, tell him strangling a cat hurts it worse than the belt to his ass,see if he ever abuses an animal again

>if your father didn't have to hit you to make you wear shoes, then you are a pussy
>it is normal to have to physically abuse children to for them to do basic everyday tasks

I think we know who has the real daddy issues now.

>using the term "millenials" unironically as though it has any kind of actual meaning

>kid gets spanked, develops healthy sense of authority
>see, got-dammit, it works! fucking nancies don't know what they're talking about
>kid gets spanked, winds up messed up
>fucking pansy kid, he was a lost cause anyway
>kid doesn't get spanked, winds up messed up
>KIDS THESE DAYS, NO GOT-DAMN RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY
>kid doesn't get spanked, develops healthy sense of authority
>KIDS THESE DAYS, ALL SUBMISSIVE BUTT-MONKEY HOMOS
This is not the thought process of a rational individual.

>This is not the thought process of a rational individual.

It IS the thought process of a troll however you stupid goddamn idiot.
Means "stop feeding him".

Don't ruin the bait fuckhead

>demonstrate the error of the strong committing violence against the weak
>by being strong and committing violence against the weak

>if your father didn't have to hit you to make you wear shoes, then you are a pussy
No, it means they have some modicum of obedience to authority.
>it is normal to have to physically abuse children to for them to do basic everyday tasks
It's ordinary to punish children for not doing what they're told.

Also, I'm sorry you're daddy beat you for no reason, but that does not apply to all corporal punishment.

noun
noun: millennial; plural noun: millennials
1.
a person reaching young adulthood around the year 2000.

I'd be surprised if they're weren't other factors contributing, but I'd be willing to bet looking at the statistics that it would show that kids who don't get any form of authority from a father figure put over them, turn out worse than those who do, where it comes from is largely irrelevant.
I just believe that CP (heh) is more effective that "Don't do that Johnny, that's bad :(".

>Spanking the kid IS establishing authority

No, it isn't. You show the kid you only get what you want by hitting them. You don't show them that they should do what you say because you're in charge. It's like negotiating not to hit them if they do what you say. They should do what you say because you said it. Don't make deals with your kids. It just creates a battle for control.

>Creating empathy with the weak, by being shown what it is to be weak.
>Child grows up to make their child learn the same lesson.
>Who family loves their animals, donates to the less fortunate, defends those who can't stand for themselves.

>Battle for control
>All the logical hand waving.
>Show the child the inevitably of futile endeavors by beating his buttocks every time he challenges you.

Oh, my apologies, and how else do you establish authority?
That's right right by "abusing" them by withholding shit that they want.
Guess what, that also is a part of the "Struggle for control"

My father smacked me as a kid, to show control.

I stuck him in an old folk's home, and never visit him. I taught him who controls who.

its the worst way to establish authority and you don't need authority to establish discipline or to ethically or morally instruct a child you only need reason and patience. skinnerian psychology ha been proven resoundingly wrong, positive reinforcement is the best way to get the quickest results followed by hypnotic indoctrination, and enforced stress manipulation like they do in cults

I find it unlikely that a whole race could get behind that philosophy.

Or show him you control their toys, their time and their ability to get around and create a relationship between actions now and consequences later. Hitting them just teaches them they shouldn't to get caught. Or that they'll get attention by doing whatever they got hit for.

nigger in spirit if not in colour

Your children, if you ever have them, will see the lack of respect you had for the man who clothed and fed you, you will set the example that it's OK to abandon your father and one-time caretaker, they will dump you off once you become a burden just like you did for your father, no matter how good of a parent you are, because you set that example yourself.

I'm sorry your father hit you for no reason, or he hit you when you were wrong without conveying why he was doing what he was doing, but physical pain, with an explanation as to why you are being given the punishment works.

>The struggle for control of my money

And what are you offering me for that thing you want? Oh it's fucking nothing. Fuck off, entitled brat. You want to throw a fit because I won't spend money to buy you shit? Here let me show you how to be grateful for what you do have.

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>Beating a child teaches him not to get caught. Promoting mental skills
>Child becomes crafty and intelligent as a result of punishment for wrongful deeds

>Implying taking their toys for a month won't invite them to not get caught as punishment is a lot longer than a pain that lasts five minutes.
>Implying they won't seek attention from you during their times of going unstimulated with no toys

I mean, sure. If you want cleverness above honesty, I can understand that rationale.

>Implying any punishment (not just physical)
won't incite attempts to avoid punishment

You don't understand children.

Sorry if you don't like spending time with your kids.

It didn't work for me or just about anyone I knew. I went through foster households and beatings just become a toll and punishment for getting caught. Want to stay out late? Man up and take the hit that hurts for a bit. Fucked up sneaking beer from the garage? Take the hit and next time build a small hinged block to put under the roller door so you don't make noise.

When I was placed in my final home, I was never hit again and never did anything really bad again. All they did was keep computer, internet, TV and radio on a leash. That was their version of the carrot. The rod was raising the stakes high enough that my only choice, should I break the big rules, was to run away and fuck my life up.

No shit, that's why we're talking about children around 5-6 and not teenagers. Those are two very different things.

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Ah. That explains the unironically troll posts, since you're a bastard child whose parents didn't love enough to keep you around.

You assume I'm not talking about the 5-10 period.

>Never got hit
>Develop sense of respect for parents because they did more than what was expected, and know that what they're asking me to do is probably best for me.

So what's the fucking problem?

>Want to stay out late? Man up and take the hit that hurts for a bit.
That sounds like something a teenager would do, not a child. The beatings instill a secondary punishment that can happen, restriction of entertainment is the primary source.
Also, we're talking about biological children or adopted children with their parents, not unwanted bastards or pitiful orphans.

None, why would you assume there is?
We're talking about retarded children who can't figure out that "put your shoes on" doesn't mean "struggle like a fucking bastard for and hour"

So beatings only work if you have permanent guardianship, and not if it's indefinite guardianship? But if both adopted and fostered kids are with non-biological parents in a permanent or indefinite guardianship arrangement, then what makes the two distinct? This seems more like magic than psychology.

I'm not sure what you mean, I was under the impression foster kids could be given up at any time while adopted kids could not.

It's more about how dependent the child is on the guardian than it is what sort of punishment is meted out, punishment is just a way of reinforcing the dependency.

>Come in expecting a thread about elves and the succession as the superior race
>Get a shitstorm of daddy issues and arguments about whether or not it's good to hit your child as punishment.

I love you Veeky Forums, really I do. But this habit of digressing from the main topic is starting to worry me.

>Starting to worry

>Not already having lost hope

I'm trying to hold on but you fuckers aren't making it easy!

It's not so much that foster kids can be given up at any time, as it is that foster children aren't meant to be there permanently. They still don't want you to just up and decide to ditch your foster kids one day, but the understanding from the start is that these aren't your children, you're just watching them for the time being. Even if "the time being" is "until they're 18", they're still not considered to be your children, just children that you are caring for.

With adoption, you are very specifically saying "This child is my child now, in every possible way as if they were actually my biological child."

Oh okay.

Well contribute and help us out about whether it IS good to hit your children, so we can get back to talking about impregnating Elf MILFs for the improvement and succession of our species as the dominant one

Foster families frequently adopt kids or take them in until they're adults. I was fairly unlucky and taken in by a series of abusive couples between 5 and 14. My final family were incredibly nice people and raised me along side a number of other younger kids who were either adopted, stayed with them until adulthood or are still with them.

It's most common for kids to stay with 1 or 2 families across their childhood.

When is it alright to hit your half-elf children?

When they decide to be all faggy and "one with nature" and all that bullshit

>Well contribute and help us out about whether it IS good to hit your children

Reserve hitting for when they do something fucked up, like bullying another kid or something like that. Otherwise get unorthodox with your punishments. Not so much as to mentally scar them, but enough to drive the point home that doing something they know their folks won't like will end with a shitty (but harmless) time. For example, my father's favorite punishment was making me stand upside down in a corner when I goof'd. I still have no idea if he got that from his time in the service, or if he's just really fucking weird.

>putting your kid in the corner
>not making creative punishments for each transgression

>Spanking the kid IS establishing authority you fucking nancy.
In the same way that rubbing your dog's nose in his piss is establishing authority. It makes you feel like a strong guy in control of his household, but that's about fucking it. The main lesson both of these things teach is that you are an asshole, and not to be trusted. An effective parent teaches their kids to want to do right things. A shit parent only knows how to teach their kids to be afraid of getting caught doing wrong things.

That image is great inspiration, thanks user.

Whenever their pointy ears remind you that their no-good bitch of a mother sailed off into the West without so much as a goodbye blowjob, leaving you a single father with a farm to work and a dozen kids who won't be strong enough to do more than the easiest housework until they're in their 40s.

>In the same way that rubbing your dog's nose in his piss is establishing authority.
A child has the ability to reason that doing x will result in y, a dog does not.
So if you rub the dogs face in piss, yes, it accomplishes nothing, if you spank the kid for breaking a vase or calling you an asshole, they will know not to do that.
>The main lesson both of these things teach is that you are an asshole, and not to be trusted.
If you don't explain why it's happening, yes.
Those people are morons however.
>An effective parent teaches their kids to want to do right things.
And part of that is carrot stick mentality, do the right thing, get rewarded, fuck up, you get your ass spanked

How is this so hard to comprehend?

>How is this so hard to comprehend?
In a bitter twist of irony, it's because you have a higher opinion of a child's mental faculties than I do. I don't really start expecting really good cause-and-effect reasoning, unbiased by what the kid wants to be true, until mid-teens.

I'm not talking high level reasoning, I'm talking about them hearing you say "When you break the vase/call me an asshole you get spanked" then when they do it they get spanked.
In their mind:
daddy gets mad and spanks me = I didn't obey him
daddy gives me a treat! = I listened to him

That of course needs to be upset during their teen years slightly so that they have some form of internal discipline and independence