Why do only the tiles with the chikin have fishface?
Lincoln Lopez
Walk on this DICK >unzips docc
Tyler Gutierrez
Don't know if any of you care but Dawn of War 3 is going to be show at E3 on the 11th.
Luis Flores
RTS a shit
Lucas Smith
Shitty memes come in waves.
Elijah Bailey
I'm sorry.
Thomas Long
What are you talking about? Neither of the rulings have anything to do with anything that I've said.
Aaron Lewis
remove chikin nerf Tau nerf Eldar nerf Marines remove robotic monstrous creatures
Austin Harris
Buff Orks Buff Chaos Buff Tyranids Make Warhammer 40,000 Great Again
Austin Jackson
>RTS a shit
Whats the matter? Baby needs his phases? Too slow, old man?
Can you even MOBA
Oliver Jones
>Buff Orks >Buff Chaos >Buff Tyranids
No
Leave those as is, and buff down
Don't inflate power levels and model counts more than they already have been
Carson Stewart
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Brayden Johnson
This guy gets it.
Whenever I hear someone saying their super heavy should cost as much as a WK by means of lowering the SH I just shake my head.
"Ork boyz should be half the points" Maybe they should just be better
Grayson Gomez
>750 point game >playing Space Wolves
In such a small game, what can I do against my opponent's Flyer(s)?
Put my Troops in Razorbacks and give each those OUO Missiles with infinite range and hope it blows them up?
I'm toying around with a cheap HQ, two squads of 9 and 10 Grey Hunters (with the Razorbacks as transports), and fully decked out TWC with THammers and Storm Shields.
But like I said, I am a little worried I'll just get blown up and be unable to touch his Fly shit.
Samuel Myers
Do you like ranged weapon types as there are, or do you think the system should be changed?
By that, I of course mean assault / rapid fire / heavy / etc.
Hunter Ortiz
Whole game needs a rebalancing. Some of the weaker books have near perfect internal balance but are shit because the game is unbalanced in it's approach between assault vs shooting and one codex's power level vs another's.
Christian Cruz
I play Warhammer not Unitspammer 2015
Blake Hill
>750 point game >against my opponent's Flyer(s)?
Smack them off the table and tell them you arent even at a 1000points. No one should have a flier yet alone multiple fliers. Most of us at my shop start bringing one at 1000 but you see superheavies by 1500, sometimes even 1250.
Joshua Collins
>Buff Tyranids >No Do you enjoy seeing 4 Fly Tyrants every game?
I suppose buffing the nids is the wrong wording. They need internal balance changes more than anything.
Isaiah Thompson
>Warhammer not Unitspammer 2015 >not Unitspammer 2015 >2016 >7e
Come on now.
Nicholas King
>not Unitspammer 2015
Hows it feel to lose games or play in the kiddie pool?
Grayson King
I think rapid fire should be brought back to how it used to be, where moving limited the weapons abilities. Salvo should be brought into use more as well.
Kayden Campbell
Yes, internal balance is a problem.
My point is that lowering the top books is better than raising the bottom books, because the D6 resolution mechanic falls apart when numbers get too high (see: abundance of AP2's effect on the game).
Jace Carter
Honestly I don't really want to play 7th ed 40k, it's only that I have to thanks to everyone else doing so. When I get my own table set up in my house the old books are getting dusted off for sure.
Anthony Cox
I'll leave all the summoning shit to AoS'ers. but you can have your fun.
Logan King
I was opposed to Flyers at that level but he insisted since he just finished building his Valkyrie and is excited.
We're doing one 750 no Flyers game and one 750 Flyers allowed game tomorrow and I'm just worried I'll get wrecked for the Flyer game.
I suppose I could just be a smart ass and field a Knight. But who to ally it with? :^)
Camden Baker
That picture is incredibly unnerving.
Xavier Watson
>summoning shit
My last three games have been against:
Tyranids Spamming Hive Tyrants
Ravenwing Spamming Black Knights and Grav Bikers
Leman Russ Spamming IG
Caleb Sanchez
Is putting Havocs in a Rhino a bad idea?
Gabriel Morris
>No user it makes no snese to make everything shit. The top teir codexes are for the most part well written codexes. They are what every codex should be like: many options for units, reasonable unit prices (except for stuff like the wraithknight), and the ability to feild most any unit and not get tabled. Dragging codexes down is just retarded. Granted, bringing all the dexes to levels above the cirrent top tier is also stupid. They all need to be brought to the level and quality the current top teir is on.
Also, what the hell do you mean don't inflate the model count? 40k has allowed basically any model count for a long long time. Don't tell me your one of those idiots who think it's supposed to be a small scale skirmish game only.
Nathan Gutierrez
>Is putting Havocs on he Field a bad idea?
Yes.
Oliver Scott
Is greentide viable? Want a feral orc army, maybe supported by some mek/steam guns
Justin Martinez
>unitspammer 2015 Firstly, it wouldn't be unit spammer 2015. It's 2016 user.
Secondly, so what you're saying is you only know the kiddie way of playing RTS games
Jackson Russell
Sure, I know I hate facing large hordes, it just isn't what I am prepared for with my lists since I never face them.
Get a squigoth if you are serious
Logan White
what FAQ is he talking about?
Gavin Carter
hey weak armies, you're units will still not be able to do the things you want them to do, but at least everyone else will be pissed off that they don't have their cool shit either. Everyones happy.
Matthew Morales
Valkyrie sucks anyhow. Let him bring the bird
Leo Robinson
Who are?
Evan Bell
>user it makes no snese to make everything shit. >The top teir codexes are for the most part well written codexes. They are what every codex should be like: many options for units, reasonable unit prices (except for stuff like the wraithknight), and the ability to feild most any unit and not get tabled.
That's all unrelated to power level. Many options and balanced point costs are possible at any level.
>Dragging codexes down is just retarded. Granted, bringing all the dexes to levels above the cirrent top tier is also stupid. They all need to be brought to the level and quality the current top teir is on.
Quality, yes, definitely. Level, why?
Let me put it this one. Two units have the same points costs and statline. However, one is AP6 and one is AP3. Obviously, that's garbage. All I'm saying, is instead of making them both AP3 or AP4, instead make them both AP5 or AP6. Because 40k uses a D6 as its resolution mechanic, it suffers from blanket power creep very easily.
>Also, what the hell do you mean don't inflate the model count? 40k has allowed basically any model count for a long long time. Don't tell me your one of those idiots who think it's supposed to be a small scale skirmish game only.
I mean don't balance by slashing point costs without changing anything else, thereby making a normal sized army $600. Not that buffing lower tier codexes would necessarily do this, but it's a possible pitfall.
Daniel Johnson
The fact that GW makes some units unique by penalizing them doesn't have anything to do with overall power levels.
Joshua Wood
The 40k Facebook page has been putting out rough drafts for a new round of FAQ's.
Wyatt Roberts
Sorry, what Artillery update in the FAQ is he talking about. I don't remember reading anything about artillery in there
Blake Murphy
The Knights of Crail (Progenitor: Blood Angels)
A Knights of Crail army is selected using the rules in Codex: Blood Angels
We Stand and Fight: Models with Chapter Tactics (Knights of Crail) cannot voluntarily Go To Ground and may not choose to automatically fail a Morale Test. However, they ignore all negative modifiers to their leadership values, regardless of cause.
The Shining Bulwark: Any Tactical Squad Sergeant or Veteran Sergeant with Chapter Tactics (Knights of Crail) may take a Power Sword and Storm Shield for 10 pts. In addition, Space Marines and Space Marine Veterans may take Combat Shields and Power Swords for 10 pts if their Sergeant has done the former.
Do these seem balanced?
Kevin Peterson
They're the only unit in the CSM army that has Skyfire though. Am I better off using a Heldrake with a Hades Autocannon?
Nathan Gomez
Rate my thirty second rebalance. I only did a handful of codexes, you'd need to do the others too, obviously.
All sergeants have +1 to Ld, A, W, and cost 10 pts extra.
Orks, Tyranids, and Chaos need buffed. DEldar need slightly buffed. Eldar, Tau, and Space Marines (Grav Guns and Formations) need nerfed. Necron formations and Gauss Weapons need adjusted, as does Malific Daemonology and a handful of other psychic powers.
Brody Richardson
10pt powerweapon/shield combo is likely too cheap
Levi Hall
>Power Sword and Storm Shield for 10 pts
Maybe 15-20 pt then keep the 10pt per after but 10pt base for searge is too stronk
Elijah Roberts
Two part, crew can't give their gun cover and they don't get t7 for purposes of ID.
Mainly hurts Mek guns though.
Don't CSM get Soulgrinders?
Nathaniel Lewis
>marine stays the same but drops 3 points >ork boy drops 1 point but loses 1ws, 1 attack, and 1s on all infnatry guns,
please stop
Easton Morales
>I3 >Ork Boy
Luke Williams
At what point limit is it acceptable to have ONE squad of las-centurions?
Evan Lewis
People were doing that? but why.
Isaiah Murphy
Vedros PDF out yet for the enjoyment of non-American derphammer variant enthusiasts?
Levi Johnson
The same point limit where you can affordably buy them a transport.
Usually I see cents from 1+ onward.
Landon Brooks
>30 points of wargear on sergeants for 10 >tac squads with FC (because blood angels) that can take power swords+invuln saves at a discount >army-wide stubborn
>"disadvantage" is they can't go to ground
no
also the voluntary fall back thing was only around in the basic codex marines for 5th edition
Eli Peterson
Okay, my group plays at 1k points and I wasn't sure if bringing one squad to place in cover to get some anti-armor would be acceptable.
Isaac Myers
>also the voluntary fall back thing was only around in the basic codex marines for 5th edition and "Our Weapons are Useless!"
Jackson Scott
>marine stays the same but drops 3 points >ork boy drops 1 point but loses 1ws, 1 attack, and 1s on all infnatry guns,
Don't compare it to current balance, compare it to itself. Do you have a problem with it for what it is, or only a problem with it relative to the current books? Because the latter doesn't matter, that's the point of a rebalance.
Does it actually seem too much? I can't tell if you're just memeing, or memeing AND trying to make a point.
Juan Cooper
Power Weapons are overcosted in general, but 10 Points for a Sword and a Storm Shield is too far.
Adrian Thomas
Chaos Daemons get Soul Grinders but CSM don't.
Nicholas Campbell
Literally don't even worry about it unless it's one of the SW Stormravens.
You're a faggot. Anything smaller than a Warhound is reasonable to take at any points level (except for the Wraithknight, which would be balanced at 425 points).
Go ahead and bring a Knight, but it won't help you against flyers. It won't even help you in the ground battle. It's a single unit without Objective Secured that takes the place of four OS units.
Isaac Adams
Please, just stop. Your changes are nonsensical and hideously imbalanced, and what you have posted is meaningless anyways because we don't know what options and special rules things have
Ayden Allen
Anyone played with the new genestealer cult? Was it fun?
Tyler Bennett
>Anything smaller than a Warhound is reasonable to take at any points level Now this is a cancerous attitude if there ever was one.
Jace Wright
Cover? Ap3 weapons. ID? Means Painboys are worthless for Mek guns.
David Johnson
okay fine. >3 point difference gives the marine +1bs, +2ws, +1t, +2s, +2i, +2sv, +2ld over a firewarrior. They have the same weapons
Jace Cook
But you can use other models to give the crew cover, right? And if there's an equal number of crew and artillery, majority toughness becomes T7, right?
Jackson Hughes
Afraid not, the Heldrake lost skyfire in the new Death from the Skies flyer book. Pretty much your only option is to either bring havocs, renegade valkeries, or a lucky flying daemon prince.
Aaron Watson
I'd assume the question was more about "people trying to use models in a unit to give their own unit cover."
David Robinson
Didn't Orks use to be I3 and B3?
Cameron Walker
Oh, right. Krak grenades kind of stop that rule from mattering ever, though.
Grayson Harris
I get why its a GOOD thing, I just don't understand how people could think thats a legit ruling. I mean that would be like saying "this front row of guardsman is providing cover to the back row" and "since my ethereal is attatched to my commander, he counts as t4 for instant death". It just doesn't make sense.
Chase Davis
>, majority toughness becomes T7, right? You need to reread the rules for artillery.
Xavier Davis
Now since you make boys into worse guardsmen, you'll of course give them orders, 5+ saves, vox casters, russes and full blown psyker support.
Nolan Williams
>3 point difference gives the marine +1bs, +2ws, +1t, +2s, +2i, +2sv, +2ld over a firewarrior. >They have the same weapons
That's at least somewhat intentional.
Maybe I got carried away, but my thinking was Space Marines should be far more reliant on strong dudemen, whereas Tau should be more reliant on suits and tanks and so forth. Their rank-and-file infantry shouldn't be the core of their army in quite the same way as SM. Maybe I nontheless undercosted SM or undergunned Tau (or a bit of both).
Easton Powell
artillery is always majority toughness of the guns, no matter the number of models
Austin Anderson
So like, >Warboss, PK, BS, Eavy amour >Lvl2 weirdboy >10 grots >4x20 squads of slugga boyz with nob bs pk >5 kannon mek guns, 5 ammo runts 8 extra gretchin a decent start for 1000 points?
Charles Scott
awkward timing aside: marines rarely ever can take advantage of Our Weapons Are Useless. That "downside" isnt much of a downside. But then again, Stubborn isn't much of a benifit (at least thats what they said when that was Dark Angels only extra special rule)
Jacob Lee
does anyone know where to find the most recent recaster catalogs? I know yoyhammer has them but for some, like ccon, they seem outdated. I know they don't change them too often but I'm looking for newer models.
William Collins
>(or a bit of both) This by a very large degree
Jack Thompson
>Now since you make boys into worse guardsmen,
They get +1 S, T, and I, a one point discount, and a melee weapon option.
>you'll of course give them orders, 5+ saves, vox casters,
Why wouldn't Orks get their own form of force multiplier?
>russes and full blown psyker support.
Why would Orks not get tanks and psykers?
Julian Brooks
>Anything smaller than a Warhound is reasonable to take at any points level (except for the Wraithknight, which would be balanced at 425 points).
>mfw 3 Riptide Wing at 750 >mfw 4-5 Riptides at 1000
With all the small and points efficient superheavies running around these days, the Warhound and even Eldar Revenant are barely worth the points. Why take them when you could take multiple superheavies instead?
This is a WAACfag "anything that my army is poorly optimized to kill is cheese" attitude if I've ever seen one. For 375 points, you can kill any superheavy short of a Warhound or Thunderhawk on the first turn.
Or you could just ignore it and win the game anyway.
Jeremiah Clark
What's the best tank-hunter unit for Tau?
Parker Campbell
riptides aren't superheavies, to start, but a revenant, for the price of ~4 riptides, wins.
Eli Turner
Fusion Suits, and Optomized Stealth Cadre
Jeremiah Rivera
>This is a WAACfag "anything that my army is poorly optimized to kill is cheese"
Bringing a unit that can't be killed without list tailoring to the point that you can't kill anything else, is cheese. At low points values, where there's not much room for redundancy, that includes things like fucking superheavies.
Joseph Wright
Should Riptides be moved to Heavy Slot?
Jack Cooper
Is War-Convo acceptable now that they don't get allied transport from the start?
Nathaniel Gutierrez
>I should be able to spam flyers and riptides at 750 points >HE is the WAACfag
Would make zero difference.
Robert Collins
everything is a dead dropbox link amigo
Luke Rogers
Riptides need a 20-30pt increase, a more expensive ion gun, or a 3+ save
Samuel Adams
> For 375 points you can kill any superheavy on turn 1
I play Space Marines. 300 points nets me 4 Rapier Carriers with Laser Destroyers, which are the strongest of all anti-armour options in the entire game, short of Strength D, which I don't have access to.
What the fuck army are you playing, Eldar? Pretty much only Eldar can kill a titan on turn 1 like that, with only 375 points to spend. This doesn't count, because eldar are fucking niggerfags that shouldn't be allowed to play this game with how fucking broken they are.
Mason Thomas
did you even try? I'm going to bet you didn't try. Unless google is giving me different results than you, its literally the second result
Brayden Harris
Possibly all of the above. And remove FnP, since it doesn't make sense on any of the battlesuit larger than XV8.
Levi Perez
>Unless google is giving me different results than you, its literally the second result
Google weights results based on past history, especially if you've visited the specifc site multiple times before.
Xavier Thomas
If you have contacts, you can just shoot your recaster an email asking for their Catalogue. The only cat on Yoyhammer that's updated any frequently is the Z catalogue, which is never more than two weeks old, and gets an additional update anytime GW releases something new.
If you don't have any contacts, just post your real name and email in this board, and you'll receive the new contacts.